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General Discussion  » Who is boycotting because of subscription + cash shop on top of a box purchase?

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  ThumbtackJ

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8/28/13 9:02:05 AM#101
Originally posted by Kuppa
Double dipping is so last year, triple dipping is where it's at!

Triple dipping? Hell with Box Fee+Sub Price+Cash Shop+Inevitable Expansions, that could possibly be QUAD DIPPING! XD

 

Seriously though, I'm not 'boycotting' it. I'm just not going to buy it. I no longer care to rent my games after paying a Box fee. Especially considering how companies are double dipping even after all that by adding cash shops (Vanity items or not, it's still double dipping).

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  karmath

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8/28/13 9:06:44 AM#102
All modern themepark clones are blatant cash grabs. 
  Razeekster

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8/28/13 8:23:06 PM#103
Originally posted by St_konker
Do we know what is going to be in the cash shop or will it be a cash shop like....I dunno lets say WoW, where there are extra items and services you can only get if you pay cash.

WoW had mounts and pets in their cash shop. They basically said "Screw our subscribers, if they want this certain mount they have to pay more for it even though they already pay for the box price+expansions+subscription." Yes, some of the pets and mounts they said the money went to charity but how come they didn't just donate some of the billions of dollars they got per year from subscriptions alone to charity? Because of greed, plain and simple.

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  jimprouner

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8/28/13 9:40:50 PM#104
Originally posted by Razeekster
Originally posted by St_konker
Do we know what is going to be in the cash shop or will it be a cash shop like....I dunno lets say WoW, where there are extra items and services you can only get if you pay cash.

WoW had mounts and pets in their cash shop. They basically said "Screw our subscribers, if they want this certain mount they have to pay more for it even though they already pay for the box price+expansions+subscription." Yes, some of the pets and mounts they said the money went to charity but how come they didn't just donate some of the billions of dollars they got per year from subscriptions alone to charity? Because of greed, plain and simple.

Are you trying to argue those stupid pets/mounts are P2W or something?  There aren't many available this way, and there are TONS of others in game.  The ones in shop are nothing by comparison.

It isn't greed to turn a profit.  Most of the money they made went back into the game to develop more content for its players. 

  AtmaDarkwolf

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8/28/13 9:44:49 PM#105

To the OP, and without reading any of the tread OR his post(just the subject) NOT ME: I'm ALL FOR it, if it means less dipshits and douchbags(Which it will)

 

Buying the box AND paying a monthly means that anyone in the game at LEAST has to put up that much investment into the game, and therefore his time in the game MEANS something to him.

 

I for one, am sick of 'f2p' or cash shop, or 'buy the box and own' or any other sub models, since every single one of them, something is sacrficed to get there(Either u get tons of freeloaders, have to buy the 'next' update each time its put out, have to put up ridiculous amounts of money to 'keep up with the jonses' and so on.

 

 

Box + Sub? I'm all for it.

  ThumbtackJ

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8/30/13 2:21:20 PM#106
Originally posted by AtmaDarkwolf

if it means less dipshits and douchbags(Which it will)

 Sure there will be "less", but it won't be significant. A popular example is WoW. Plenty of jerks there that the sub fee didn't stop from coming in.

have to buy the 'next' update each time its put out, 

Like expansions, right? That box+sub games make you pay for?

 

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  SirFubar

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8/30/13 2:30:50 PM#107
Originally posted by Betakodo

Remember when subscription fees meant everything was in game and there were cash shop money grabs? Remember when the first free to play game came out that was supported not by a subscription, but cash shop items? Cash shop items are supposed to be an alternate to the subscription model, but now they're going for the full money grab? What is this, Korea? It was stupid enough when world of warcraft did it, and people still defended the game and their money grab.

I was interested in the game, but on principle - will not buy it if they're going to do this. I play MMO's so I can work my way up to the cool looking stuffs. But if they're going to take the cool looking items out of the game and make me pay like $7 bucks for a "Fun" item, yeah not going to happen. I was just wondering how many people are giving this game a pass due to this.

It baffles me how many people here are completely clueless when its comes to cash shops. I bet most played only 1 MMO with a cash shop that was done in such a bad way that they think every single game with a cash shop is a cash grab. Sure its usually is, but for dumb people who are idiot enough to spend some money in them. I've never seem a game who's taking out items from the game to sell them to you, so I have no idea of what you're talking about.

Uninformed people making clueless comments as usual.

  Bladestrom

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8/30/13 2:43:34 PM#108
When a consumer argues for a model where you pay in advance you know the loaf is missing a few slices :)

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  Iselin

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8/30/13 3:25:25 PM#109
Originally posted by Bladestrom
When a consumer argues for a model where you pay in advance you know the loaf is missing a few slices :)

When a consumer argues for a model with advertising billboards everywhere you know his favorite TV station is the shopping channel :)

  Mishakai

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8/30/13 3:36:31 PM#110
Don't like it, don't buy it.  I'm glad sub games are showing up with cash shops again, I'm sick of cheap gamers who want everything for free.
  Galadourn

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8/30/13 3:44:35 PM#111
I will not be playing; I might try it at some point if they do a free trial thing, but so far everything I have read about this game hints at a major single player themepark/lobby game. I couldn't care less about the sub model.

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  User Deleted
8/30/13 4:02:05 PM#112
I am not boycotting TESO. I am simply not buying into it until they have to change business model to either buy or free to play and they will just like every other game that tried to release with a subscription in the modern age of MMORPGs. It is inevitable and will happen. 
  Mothanos

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8/30/13 4:02:20 PM#113

I wait till it goes free to play, that wont take long looking at the some aspects of the game.
I give them 3 months before they scratch their ears and explain they made a mistake with tripple dipping.

I might be wrong, but from what i have seen so far iam not impressed....
Maybe they forgot 2014 is the year of the next gen consoles and many many super fun games.
They are going to get a extremely rough time ahead.

  Drakephire

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8/30/13 4:23:38 PM#114
This isn't the reason I'll be skipping ESO. I'll be skipping it because right now the animations look dodgy, the gameplay I've seen thus far looks too much like standard MMO faire, and the game doesn't look as though it captures the spirit of the ES series at all.
  dustyhayes

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8/30/13 5:13:34 PM#115
Even if I disagree with the funding model if the game is good I'll pony up the cash =)
  Darkcrystal

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8/30/13 10:16:14 PM#116
Originally posted by Theocritus
The problem is that too many dumb gamers actually pay for all this without even knowing if the game is any good or not...... If we didn't pay then they wouldn't charge......I've already read several posts saying that people will pay for this that know nothing about it....That right there tells you what the problem is......

But then your boycotting a game that has a sub because you are to cheap to pay for a game, that you want them to work for free. No one is making anyone buy anything in the cash shop, WOW, has sub and cash shop, nothing is game breaking, so i'm confused by this at all. No one will make you buy from the cash shop, so i'm boycotting people like you stop posting trash like this, when you don't know if the game is good or not, so bashing a game that you don't know is good is a joke as well.

 

 

This is not about Elder scrolls either this is about i'm getting tired when I see people think they should get all my hard work, or any devs hard work for free.... You go to work and work for free..

  Darkcrystal

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8/30/13 10:26:36 PM#117
Originally posted by ThomasN7
Originally posted by potlaki

game is worth it,even though I am not happy with subscription fee.

rather moan if they don't give us game content worth the subscription fee.

don't buy crap now save your money or wait till end of next year then it will be free.

we all were bitshing that we cant play skyrim with our friends now we can play the hole world of

elders scrolls I am in 100%.

Skyrim > Elder Scrolls Online. You can't just make a multiplayer game, call it Elder Scrolls Online and expect ES fans to just be happy with it. I'm sorry but people want Skyrim Online instead of this. 

LOL, LOL, now I see what the problem is, do you really think this is suppose to be Skyrim, well its not, its not even the same company, this is NOT Skyrim or suppose to be , you need to read about what the game is suppose to be about , which is not Skyrim!!!!

  Hrica

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8/30/13 10:44:54 PM#118
i will still play
  Iselin

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8/30/13 10:56:13 PM#119
Originally posted by Darkcrystal
Originally posted by Theocritus
The problem is that too many dumb gamers actually pay for all this without even knowing if the game is any good or not...... If we didn't pay then they wouldn't charge......I've already read several posts saying that people will pay for this that know nothing about it....That right there tells you what the problem is......

But then your boycotting a game that has a sub because you are to cheap to pay for a game, that you want them to work for free. No one is making anyone buy anything in the cash shop, WOW, has sub and cash shop, nothing is game breaking, so i'm confused by this at all. No one will make you buy from the cash shop, so i'm boycotting people like you stop posting trash like this, when you don't know if the game is good or not, so bashing a game that you don't know is good is a joke as well.

 

 

This is not about Elder scrolls either this is about i'm getting tired when I see people think they should get all my hard work, or any devs hard work for free.... You go to work and work for free..

The "+ cash shop" thing is just a red herring. The anti sub crowd flooded this forum and piled on the initial thread just after the announcement was made. When the tide turned in that thread and it wasn't just a hate fest anymore, they started this thread.

No one even knows what's going to be in the shop--it could be just name changes, T-shirts and mugs for all we know. And no one knows if it's an in-game cash shop or just a website like Blizzard has... but hey, haters got to hate. Facts don't matter to them.

  Faelsun

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8/31/13 1:15:44 AM#120

I'm not playing it because its a Gimped version of GW2 which itself is a gimped version of DAOC with what looks like a standard fare of spammy combat buttons for the console. Not to mention its going to be a Bubblegum carebear paradise where everyone is each others friend and the dungeons are easy and no one hurts anyones feelings.

But the sub fee is fine. 

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