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  Swedish_Chef

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8/28/13 8:47:06 PM#21

Events like this are the reason I decided (back when I was a teen) not to get into the video game industry. Even at the best of times, it's just not known to be possessed of a great deal of stability.

I hope those affected can find new jobs quickly. I'll be keeping them in my thoughts & prayers.

  KyBo

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8/29/13 1:44:55 AM#22

"Out of respect for our employees, we request that you do not discuss personnel matters on our forums."

So, after publicly announcing that employees were losing their jobs, SOE thinks it's disrespectful to the employees they just laid off to discuss that announcement on SOE forums. 

How about, "As it is an embarrassment to SOE and yet another PR black eye, we ask that you not discuss the fact that our poor management ability has cost people their jobs on our forums, and embarrass us even further."  I think that more accurately describes SOE's position.

 It's disconcerting to anyone that people are losing their jobs, especially when it was through no fault of their own.  Poor management at SOE (yes, that means John Smedley and those immediately beneath him), and at Sony in general, are the reason for this job loss.

  JeroKane

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8/29/13 1:53:51 AM#23

After all these years, With failure after failure. With lay offs after lay offs.

I am absolutely baffled that John Smedley is still at the helm in this Company!

In any other Company, he would have been canned years ago!

He is the number 1 reason SOE is doing so badly these last years, with hundreds of People having lost their jobs!

 
 
  Distopia

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8/29/13 2:12:54 AM#24
You folks have it wrong IMO (the two posters above me), I think it's the ability to make decisions like this that solidifies Smed's position, a truly moral CEO would grind tooth and nail to keep their teams together, and in turn crash the company entirely in trying to do so. The job of a CEO is first and foremost to ensure the best profitability of a company and ensure the least amount of overhead. We're not talking videogames here, we're talking corporate level decision making. If Smed didn't do his job he'd be gone in a heart beat, Sony is no stranger to executive level restructuring, they do it quite often actually.

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  Lord.Bachus

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8/29/13 2:20:54 AM#25

A company like SOE works in project teams, some projects are shrinking in  size, others are growing, most of the time its not possible to transfer all employees to other project teams, because there might not be a need for the employees quallities there..

 

Anouncements like this are mostly misunderstood by simple minds like gamers..

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  JeroKane

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8/29/13 2:31:47 AM#26
Originally posted by Distopia
You folks have it wrong IMO (the two posters above me), I think it's the ability to make decisions like this that solidifies Smed's position, a truly moral CEO would grind tooth and nail to keep their teams together, and in turn crash the company entirely in trying to do so. The job of a CEO is first and foremost to ensure the best profitability of a company and ensure the least amount of overhead. We're not talking videogames here, we're talking corporate level decision making. If Smed didn't do his job he'd be gone in a heart beat, Sony is no stranger to executive level restructuring, they do it quite often actually.

The massive lay offs that have happened in the last years at SOE is due to John Smedley´s missmanagement!

He has lost Complete touch With his playerbase for years! Has lied over and over to his playerbase. Making hard promisses he knew he could not keep!

And then let´s not even talk about how he has treated the European playerbase for years and now topping it off with the whole debacle with ProSieben!

And with that he has chased away a hell of a lot of loyal customers these past years running the Subscription numbers into the ground for many of their games!

Their PR Department is also one of the most incompetent in the world!

The problem is, I think, is that Smed is one of the original founders of SOE and has somehow a too strong anker in the Company to be removed.

  Calerxes

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8/29/13 5:27:58 AM#27
Originally posted by Distopia
You folks have it wrong IMO (the two posters above me), I think it's the ability to make decisions like this that solidifies Smed's position, a truly moral CEO would grind tooth and nail to keep their teams together, and in turn crash the company entirely in trying to do so. The job of a CEO is first and foremost to ensure the best profitability of a company and ensure the least amount of overhead. We're not talking videogames here, we're talking corporate level decision making. If Smed didn't do his job he'd be gone in a heart beat, Sony is no stranger to executive level restructuring, they do it quite often actually.

 

Well with Sony Corporation being usurped by Samsung and LG as the premier electronics company I see the whole top management being to blame then because Sony have been unprofitable for years. Releasing unfinished, buggy, no content games over and over again and laying people off year on year isn't really doing your job properly is it? if you are making less and less money and have to lay off staff where is the shortfall coming from as the parent company has no money? it means you are having to release unfinished buggy games as you don't have development funds to do it properly. Does that sound familiar? 

 

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  Calerxes

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8/29/13 5:36:10 AM#28
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus

A company like SOE works in project teams, some projects are shrinking in  size, others are growing, most of the time its not possible to transfer all employees to other project teams, because there might not be a need for the employees quallities there..

 

Anouncements like this are mostly misunderstood by simple minds like gamers..

 

Blimey you have a high opinion of yourself, I'd learn to use a spell checker first even if your first language isn't English, before throwing insults around. A company laying off staff year on year and publicly announcing it, releasing poor game after poor game, common sense tells you something is not right and that's usually upper management.

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  jinxit

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8/29/13 5:36:11 AM#29
SOE just took all the DCUO expansions off the station cash shop, now only purchasable with cold hard cash.
  User Deleted
8/29/13 8:32:34 AM#30
If they canned Smedley I would probably take a second look at EQN. I just don't trust the guy. Too many lies and manipulation over the years. My gut says EQN will be another bottle of snake-oil. 
  DMKano

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8/29/13 8:45:12 AM#31
Originally posted by grimgryphon
If they canned Smedley I would probably take a second look at EQN. I just don't trust the guy. Too many lies and manipulation over the years. My gut says EQN will be another bottle of snake-oil. 

Smed is a part of the "good ol boys" inner circle at SoE, there are a dozen of them that are above the law at SoE. Many game companies are in the same boat, having upper mgmt click of folks who have not changed for many years. SoE needs to do what Trion did - get rid of all upper mgmt click, replace the CEO and refocus the company.

CU is also doing it right - get a young new team full of creativity and new energy to build the game. Watch any of EQN videos - there is not a single person shown on EQN team videos in their 20s, interesting isn't it?

 

  Shadanwolf

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8/29/13 9:05:36 AM#32
Originally posted by DMKano
Originally posted by grimgryphon
If they canned Smedley I would probably take a second look at EQN. I just don't trust the guy. Too many lies and manipulation over the years. My gut says EQN will be another bottle of snake-oil. 

Smed is a part of the "good ol boys" inner circle at SoE, there are a dozen of them that are above the law at SoE. Many game companies are in the same boat, having upper mgmt click of folks who have not changed for many years. SoE needs to do what Trion did - get rid of all upper mgmt click, replace the CEO and refocus the company.

CU is also doing it right - get a young new team full of creativity and new energy to build the game. Watch any of EQN videos - there is not a single person shown on EQN team videos in their 20s, interesting isn't it?

 

I was wondering how Smedley has kept his job .This would also explain why the top SWTOR management hasn't been replaced.

  Asamof

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8/29/13 9:29:30 AM#33
Originally posted by grimgryphon
If they canned Smedley I would probably take a second look at EQN. I just don't trust the guy. Too many lies and manipulation over the years. My gut says EQN will be another bottle of snake-oil. 

 

People aren't going to realize this until after they buy EQN and have their first real experience with SOE

  ste2000

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8/29/13 9:30:39 AM#34
PS2 is not doing as good as expected............ that's my translation. Also with Rift F2P I am sure many EQ2 players migrated there. Rift has a far better F2P model than any SoE game. SoE needs to stop being too greedy. If they want people money they need to be fair.
Trying to FORCE people spending their money is not a good business strategy.
  ignore_me

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8/29/13 9:33:35 AM#35
Stylized graphics and MOBA combat are responsible for this layoff. Or put in whatever you want to link the layoffs with your favorite cause.

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  rwyan

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8/29/13 10:01:55 AM#36

I also have a hard time believing DCUO is performing poorly....  For one, they keep pumping resources into it in the form of additional DLC packs.  It is sort of hard to believe they would continue that model for as long as they have if it wasn't working too well for them (especially since it seems their output has increased as time has gone on).  

 

We've seen what SOE does to games that aren't performing.... (Vanguard, MxO, Pirates, etc...).  DCUO is far from maintenance mode.

 

I also remember comments from SOE that the PS3 version does better (or maybe it just gets more players? ) than the PC version which would make sense considering they're attempting to be there for the PS4 launch.  If the game wasn't performing, they wouldn't be spending resources on having a port done.

 

 

  Mendel

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8/29/13 10:11:38 AM#37
Condolences to all the new ex-employees who have hauled barges and lifted bales at SOE.  It isn't fun being laid off, it isn't the end of the world, either.  It's the nature of any business that the front line are the first to go when times get tough.  The Indians suffer, and the Chiefs survive.   Those affected aren't the problem, they're just the ones least protected by a corporate mindset that never looks at internal problems realistically.

Logic, my dear, merely enables one to be wrong with great authority.

  Nirrtix

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8/29/13 10:22:57 AM#38
Originally posted by Comaf
Originally posted by Saryk
Originally posted by Calerxes
Sony as a corporation has been doing badly for years only just about making a profit in the last quarter, that's the reason for the gamers first approach to flogging the PS4, they need it to succeed badly. This means there must be a knock on effect to their gaming divisions especially one that fails to release quality games time and time again. Have SOE ever released a fully working, full of content MMO ever? and how the hell does John Smedley still have a job with failure after failure? that has puzzled me for a while, its seems they keep on laying off the wrong people, how about looking at leadership first? I'm expecting EQN to be a half arsed, half finished, rushed release (in time to beat TESO to market?) because history tells us that's all SOE are capable of releasing.

You know what , I agree! However at least EQnext will be F2P..........

Pray it doesn't go F2P - nothing says "We can't hold this game by subs alone," like F2P which depends on 1 out of every 1,000 players to be just crazy enough to spend enough to cover 1,000 subscriptions in silly purchasing. 

 

I have yet to see a "good" mmorpg that has a F2P model.  WoW might be losing subs, but they still trump every mmorpg I've played outside of Dark Age of Camelot (a sadly dated, EA ruined gem of a game).

I agree about FTP MMO's. It is unfortunate because FTP games that are not MMO's often are very good DOTA 2 and Tribes Ascend are 2 examples. FTP, however opens too many bad things in an MMO like Botting and multi boxing (which I am against and is easy when you do not need to pay for an account)

As to SOE they have destroyed their gems like EQ1. Even Everquest 2 was a good game at one point. SOE completely ruined that too.

TO those who think that SOE has anything to do with the PS4 is wrong SOE is a separate entity in Sony that deals with online games. They did not make the PS4.

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  Brabbit1987

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8/29/13 11:00:26 AM#39

Layoffs are a very common thing in the game industry. I don't think most people realize how hard and unstable a job as a game developer is. One day you can be hired by a large corporation and the next day you could be looking for another job.

As a game developer, it's always smart to keep a back up plan at all times. Always be in contact with possible employers. 

One could say layoffs happen a lot in every industry, which isn't incorrect. However, in the game industry, it can happen to a person who is pretty good at their job. So you can save yourself by performing well, like most jobs.

However, you are likely to be able to stay put if your able to get into a permanent position in a well known team. Though that is actually pretty hard to do.

I don't think Sony is doing "bad." At least not as bad as some make it out to be. I suppose they could be doing better though. However, as I said, layoffs are fairly normal.

  Razeekster

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8/29/13 12:11:56 PM#40
Originally posted by evilastro
You guys realise this has nothing to do with EQN? DCUO is just obviously under-performing.

I don't know how. It's one of the only good superhero MMOs out there.

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