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  rygard49

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8/26/13 5:52:32 PM#81
Originally posted by ThomasN7
Originally posted by potlaki

game is worth it,even though I am not happy with subscription fee.

rather moan if they don't give us game content worth the subscription fee.

don't buy crap now save your money or wait till end of next year then it will be free.

we all were bitshing that we cant play skyrim with our friends now we can play the hole world of elders scrolls I am in 100%.

Skyrim > Elder Scrolls Online. You can't just make a multiplayer game, call it Elder Scrolls Online and expect ES fans to just be happy with it. I'm sorry but people want Skyrim Online instead of this. 

Those people who want Skyrim online should go make Skyrim online then. Instead, most take up the mantle of the downtrodden, such as yourself, and have a pity party about how the big bad game company isn't making the game you wanted to play.

Remarkably, ES fans come from many cuts of cloth, and some are capable of enjoying new spins on old ideas, whilst others grip tightly the fading figments of a self-born fantasy world wherein their every desire has to be met. Alas, they are a loud and tiresome bunch, the latter.

As an ES fan who was also looking forward to this game, I'm not stoked on hearing the words 'cash shop', but I'm not out until I know exactly what's in there. Box + Sub should be enough to cover a service like name changes, so already I'm on the wrong side of skeptical. Here's to hoping the rest of the shop truly is fluff.

 

 

  jesusjuice69

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8/26/13 6:32:15 PM#82
Originally posted by rygard49
Originally posted by ThomasN7
Originally posted by potlaki

game is worth it,even though I am not happy with subscription fee.

rather moan if they don't give us game content worth the subscription fee.

don't buy crap now save your money or wait till end of next year then it will be free.

we all were bitshing that we cant play skyrim with our friends now we can play the hole world of elders scrolls I am in 100%.

Skyrim > Elder Scrolls Online. You can't just make a multiplayer game, call it Elder Scrolls Online and expect ES fans to just be happy with it. I'm sorry but people want Skyrim Online instead of this. 

Those people who want Skyrim online should go make Skyrim online then. Instead, most take up the mantle of the downtrodden, such as yourself, and have a pity party about how the big bad game company isn't making the game you wanted to play.

Remarkably, ES fans come from many cuts of cloth, and some are capable of enjoying new spins on old ideas, whilst others grip tightly the fading figments of a self-born fantasy world wherein their every desire has to be met. Alas, they are a loud and tiresome bunch, the latter.

As an ES fan who was also looking forward to this game, I'm not stoked on hearing the words 'cash shop', but I'm not out until I know exactly what's in there. Box + Sub should be enough to cover a service like name changes, so already I'm on the wrong side of skeptical. Here's to hoping the rest of the shop truly is fluff.

I think you are confused.  At first the devs said they aren't making skyrim online, but then did a 180, and now we are getting the very one thing they said they weren't going to make, Skyrim Online.

 

ESO = Skyrim online.

  rygard49

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8/26/13 6:46:13 PM#83
Originally posted by jesusjuice69

I think you are confused.  At first the devs said they aren't making skyrim online, but then did a 180, and now we are getting the very one thing they said they weren't going to make, Skyrim Online.

 

ESO = Skyrim online.

That's incorrect.

  jesusjuice69

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8/26/13 7:02:40 PM#84
Originally posted by rygard49
Originally posted by jesusjuice69

I think you are confused.  At first the devs said they aren't making skyrim online, but then did a 180, and now we are getting the very one thing they said they weren't going to make, Skyrim Online.

 

ESO = Skyrim online.

That's incorrect.

Even the developers said this isn't a typical MMO.  It is a multiplayer ES game. 

That is Skyrim Online!

  uxios

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8/26/13 7:18:41 PM#85
nothing to discuss here ... no existing the games like guild wars 2 and The Secret World they have the best payment metod i tired of fuking lazyest designers and programers .. i dont care about wat kind of troop wants to take your money whitout work... i pay for the work i think its nice done  and maintained etc... if in the secret world i like one dlc i will pay it ... if not i will dont pay it .. so this is a company that has to make thinks right or they will no get money ... so things are as they are because the gamers dont have criterion ... watch the metod of wildstar and think about it a minute whit only a minute u will see this ... while the subscription players keep the money and the subscription the no subscription will play only for pay the subscription u are in disadvantage for ever  .... its a new slavery metod ..... please ...wow players are just puppets of what will impose that company and other games like free... but pay for win ... OPEN YOU EYES GAMERS...we build the world of gaming every dollar or euro ...so wen u think u are more rich than the others a global crysis will take all your money and u will never play in a pay for play gaming world or just one month  your pc crash and u need to buy another ...so think very well in what u spend your money and for what kind of future u want to the gaming because u now are up but  u can fall too .... life for play or play for life its a choice no an imposition....

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  Kuraphimaru

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8/26/13 8:48:36 PM#86


Originally posted by jesusjuice69

Originally posted by rygard49

Originally posted by jesusjuice69 I think you are confused.  At first the devs said they aren't making skyrim online, but then did a 180, and now we are getting the very one thing they said they weren't going to make, Skyrim Online.   ESO = Skyrim online.
That's incorrect.
Even the developers said this isn't a typical MMO.  It is a multiplayer ES game. 

That is Skyrim Online!


I'm sorry but no it is not. Elder Scrolls Online != Skyrim Online for a simple reason that Elder Scrolls Online draws not only on Skyrim but also on Oblivion and Morrowind. Possibly on Daggerfall and Arena too but I haven't played those titles so I can't see their influence.

  Thorkune

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8/26/13 8:53:35 PM#87
i lost interest when they announced a sub fee. These F2P games have turned me into a cheapskate.
  newbinator

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8/26/13 8:55:26 PM#88

I'm not buying it. So I guess that means I'm boycotting TESO?

 

It doesn't look good enough for a box fee + sub. And when they try to have a cash shop on top of that... not a chance I'll be playing it.

  Comaf

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8/26/13 9:01:43 PM#89
Originally posted by Betakodo

Remember when subscription fees meant everything was in game and there were cash shop money grabs? Remember when the first free to play game came out that was supported not by a subscription, but cash shop items? Cash shop items are supposed to be an alternate to the subscription model, but now they're going for the full money grab? What is this, Korea? It was stupid enough when world of warcraft did it, and people still defended the game and their money grab.

I was interested in the game, but on principle - will not buy it if they're going to do this. I play MMO's so I can work my way up to the cool looking stuffs. But if they're going to take the cool looking items out of the game and make me pay like $7 bucks for a "Fun" item, yeah not going to happen. I was just wondering how many people are giving this game a pass due to this.

If half the energy posted about complaints against the first true Tri Realm mmorpg since 2001 were directed instead to the pile of craptastic F2P wasteware that exists all over the place, then perhaps we wouldn't have so much garbage in the genre.

 

Who is boycotting a cosmetic cash shop?  Surely you have better things to do with your time.  Sigh - problems of a first world country can't truly be this meaningless.  When will this trolling stop?

 

If you are going to post this, at least link the Matt Firor comment that was circling all over the place in regards to the cosmetic only cash shop they will have. [mod edit]

  Karteli

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8/26/13 9:11:06 PM#90
Originally posted by Comaf
Originally posted by Betakodo

Remember when subscription fees meant everything was in game and there were cash shop money grabs? Remember when the first free to play game came out that was supported not by a subscription, but cash shop items? Cash shop items are supposed to be an alternate to the subscription model, but now they're going for the full money grab? What is this, Korea? It was stupid enough when world of warcraft did it, and people still defended the game and their money grab.

I was interested in the game, but on principle - will not buy it if they're going to do this. I play MMO's so I can work my way up to the cool looking stuffs. But if they're going to take the cool looking items out of the game and make me pay like $7 bucks for a "Fun" item, yeah not going to happen. I was just wondering how many people are giving this game a pass due to this.

If half the energy posted about complaints against the first true Tri Realm mmorpg since 2001 were directed instead to the pile of craptastic F2P wasteware that exists all over the place, then perhaps we wouldn't have so much garbage in the genre.

 

Who is boycotting a cosmetic cash shop?  Surely you have better things to do with your time.  Sigh - problems of a first world country can't truly be this meaningless.  When will this trolling stop?

 

If you are going to post this, at least link the Matt Firor comment that was circling all over the place in regards to the cosmetic only cash shop they will have.  Otherwise you sound like you live under a bridge and don't bathe often.

You really tried to relate problems in modern civilization to a cash shop acceptance?

 

By your accord, people in First World Country will just willingly throw their money away .. HERE JUST TAKE IT!  Giving it away!  I don't ever care about quality!, just TAKE MY MONEY!

 

Are you that backwards in your thinking?

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  jesusjuice69

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8/27/13 10:19:41 AM#91
Originally posted by Kuraphimaru

 


Originally posted by jesusjuice69

Originally posted by rygard49

Originally posted by jesusjuice69 I think you are confused.  At first the devs said they aren't making skyrim online, but then did a 180, and now we are getting the very one thing they said they weren't going to make, Skyrim Online.   ESO = Skyrim online.
That's incorrect.
Even the developers said this isn't a typical MMO.  It is a multiplayer ES game. 

 

That is Skyrim Online!


 

I'm sorry but no it is not. Elder Scrolls Online != Skyrim Online for a simple reason that Elder Scrolls Online draws not only on Skyrim but also on Oblivion and Morrowind. Possibly on Daggerfall and Arena too but I haven't played those titles so I can't see their influence.

 

Skyrim in 'Skyrim Online'  just references the graphics and ES series.  It has nothing to do the story or lore.  When we say that we mean that it is a multiplayer ES game instead of a real MMORPG.

  Theocritus

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8/27/13 10:26:45 AM#92
Originally posted by uxios
nothing to discuss here ... no existing the games like guild wars 2 and The Secret World they have the best payment metod i tired of fuking lazyest designers and programers .. i dont care about wat kind of troop wants to take your money whitout work... i pay for the work i think its nice done  and maintained etc... if in the secret world i like one dlc i will pay it ... if not i will dont pay it .. so this is a company that has to make thinks right or they will no get money ... so things are as they are because the gamers dont have criterion ... watch the metod of wildstar and think about it a minute whit only a minute u will see this ... while the subscription players keep the money and the subscription the no subscription will play only for pay the subscription u are in disadvantage for ever  .... its a new slavery metod ..... please ...wow players are just puppets of what will impose that company and other games like free... but pay for win ... OPEN YOU EYES GAMERS...we build the world of gaming every dollar or euro ...so wen u think u are more rich than the others a global crysis will take all your money and u will never play in a pay for play gaming world or just one month  your pc crash and u need to buy another ...so think very well in what u spend your money and for what kind of future u want to the gaming because u now are up but  u can fall too .... life for play or play for life its a choice no an imposition....

 Dont give TSW credit for doing it right...They started as box+sub+cash shop also then went the b2p route after that failed miserably.....Also Funcom lsot so much money on this game that they had massive layoffs and almost went out of business..... B2P worked fine with GW2 because it was a well made game.....It most likely would have succeeded as a p2p also, though most would have likely left after a couple of months.

  Oberholzer

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8/27/13 10:27:21 AM#93
Originally posted by Betakodo

Remember when subscription fees meant everything was in game and there were cash shop money grabs? Remember when the first free to play game came out that was supported not by a subscription, but cash shop items? Cash shop items are supposed to be an alternate to the subscription model, but now they're going for the full money grab? What is this, Korea? It was stupid enough when world of warcraft did it, and people still defended the game and their money grab.

I was interested in the game, but on principle - will not buy it if they're going to do this. I play MMO's so I can work my way up to the cool looking stuffs. But if they're going to take the cool looking items out of the game and make me pay like $7 bucks for a "Fun" item, yeah not going to happen. I was just wondering how many people are giving this game a pass due to this.

It would depend on what's in the shop. You mention "money grabs" because of course if a company tries to make money they're greedy. When I played WoW and they put mounts and pets in their cash shop I couldn't have cared less. I had plenty of mounts and didn't give a crap about pets. So what do I care if someone wants to buck up for a sparkly horse. If it's fluff I don't care. All I care about is playing games that I find fun. If it has a sub then so be it, if it doesn't that's great too. For me it's fun over payment model in my decision making.

  nakuma

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8/27/13 10:33:50 AM#94

Here is a solution, if you are whining about having to pay for a game + a monthly sub for continual content updates; Feel free not to buy it. There i just solved your problems.

God I hate cheap ass people! always want free! free! me! me! me! OMG WTFBBQ!!1 it has a sub I canz plehz!..Why no Freh!?r whatever crap you nutters banter off about. I always imagine some kid's head exploding from the sheer rage when he finds out a game he wants to play is not.....wait for....Free to play!... Not realizing these games cost a lot to make and developers need to be paid for their skill to bring you a game. Whether you think it is great or not, is down to your opinion and only your opinion. You don't like it, speak with your wallet. no one really cares!!!  They are too busy playing the game.

However I see a lot of F2P kiddies talk a lot of crap about a game that cost money for the box and a monthly sub but as soon as it goes F2P , it is hilarious and ironic how they aren't against playing it and saying how awesome it is or even if they don't like it they still will play it. If you can't afford it, Call of duty is that way bub! I see a monthly sub as a way to weed out the knuckleheads that could otherwise get into the game.

 

one more time with feeling. You don't like the sub, don't play it!

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  JasonJ

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8/27/13 10:34:57 AM#95

I wont be "buying" the game because its bastardizing the TES name to make a DaoC styled game. To give them money tells corporations its OK to use a name for its popularity for a cash grab. Besides, so many in beta are talking about how bad the graphics are, how bad the animations are, how limited the combat is and even that the story is not written very well and is not engaging at all. Some going so far as to say the game is lacking in depth in the zones with way too much focus on the center based RvR endgame.

Not exactly unexpected seeing who is designing the game.

  JasonJ

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8/27/13 10:40:59 AM#96
Originally posted by jesusjuice69
Originally posted by Kuraphimaru

 


Originally posted by jesusjuice69

Originally posted by rygard49

Originally posted by jesusjuice69 I think you are confused.  At first the devs said they aren't making skyrim online, but then did a 180, and now we are getting the very one thing they said they weren't going to make, Skyrim Online.   ESO = Skyrim online.
That's incorrect.
Even the developers said this isn't a typical MMO.  It is a multiplayer ES game. 

 

That is Skyrim Online!


 

I'm sorry but no it is not. Elder Scrolls Online != Skyrim Online for a simple reason that Elder Scrolls Online draws not only on Skyrim but also on Oblivion and Morrowind. Possibly on Daggerfall and Arena too but I haven't played those titles so I can't see their influence.

 

Skyrim in 'Skyrim Online'  just references the graphics and ES series.  It has nothing to do the story or lore.  When we say that we mean that it is a multiplayer ES game instead of a real MMORPG.

 Anyone thinking that this is just a TES multiplayer game is deluding themselves. The only reason they made this made dash to remove themselves from the MMORPG label was due to the massive blowback from the TES community...after MONTHS of trying to hype their TES MMORPG.

They are disconnected from reality, the reality that nobody wanted to play a DaoC game in a TES skin. They further proved they are clueless by now going with a sub model while still trying to target the TES fanbase...that does NOT play subscription based games.

The very idea of BUYING a game and then still having to PAY to play it is LAUGHABLE to most gamers...especially after seeing for so many years that it does not get you a better quality game. That is an idea held by people trained to think that an MMO needs to be supported by a subscription to cover costs. Its a bold faced lie that has been proven wrong so many times its sickening to think that some people still cling to the idea.

  Kuppa

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8/27/13 10:46:52 AM#97
Double dipping is so last year, triple dipping is where it's at!


  jesusjuice69

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8/27/13 10:52:40 AM#98
Originally posted by JasonJ
Originally posted by jesusjuice69
Originally posted by Kuraphimaru

 


Originally posted by jesusjuice69

Originally posted by rygard49

Originally posted by jesusjuice69 I think you are confused.  At first the devs said they aren't making skyrim online, but then did a 180, and now we are getting the very one thing they said they weren't going to make, Skyrim Online.   ESO = Skyrim online.
That's incorrect.
Even the developers said this isn't a typical MMO.  It is a multiplayer ES game. 

 

That is Skyrim Online!


 

I'm sorry but no it is not. Elder Scrolls Online != Skyrim Online for a simple reason that Elder Scrolls Online draws not only on Skyrim but also on Oblivion and Morrowind. Possibly on Daggerfall and Arena too but I haven't played those titles so I can't see their influence.

 

Skyrim in 'Skyrim Online'  just references the graphics and ES series.  It has nothing to do the story or lore.  When we say that we mean that it is a multiplayer ES game instead of a real MMORPG.

 Anyone thinking that this is just a TES multiplayer game is deluding themselves. The only reason they made this made dash to remove themselves from the MMORPG label was due to the massive blowback from the TES community...after MONTHS of trying to hype their TES MMORPG.

They are disconnected from reality, the reality that nobody wanted to play a DaoC game in a TES skin. They further proved they are clueless by now going with a sub model while still trying to target the TES fanbase...that does NOT play subscription based games.

The very idea of BUYING a game and then still having to PAY to play it is LAUGHABLE to most gamers...especially after seeing for so many years that it does not get you a better quality game. That is an idea held by people trained to think that an MMO needs to be supported by a subscription to cover costs. Its a bold faced lie that has been proven wrong so many times its sickening to think that some people still cling to the idea.

TES is mostly a single player game.

Did you see the dungeon in Quakecon?  It is hard for me to even call that multiplayer, as the the so called group solo'd their way through the instance.  Other people are sometimes on the screen though, so you have to call it a multiplayer game though. But I refuse to call this travesty a MMORPG!

 

No, it is not a bold faced lie.

Some companies in recent years have abused the subscription model to squeeze out some more cash, but that doesn't make all subscription games bad.  These companies took the money and pocketed it, instead of reinvesting the money into the game.  ESO is imo going to do the same thing.  It is a B2P quality game they have no plans to seriously update, yet they are slapping a subscription on it out of pure corporate greed.

  AmbrosiaAmor

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8/27/13 6:17:29 PM#99
Originally posted by Iselin

See you in 2016! (e.g. it took Rift 2 years to get there...you think this will be worse than Rift? lol)

 

If you look at the trends from themepark games the gap between release as P2P and switching to F2P has lessened. Games that took a decade to go F2P went down to 5 years then 3 years then 1 year. As it stands some of the more recent MMORPGs made the switch or at the very least made the announcement of going F2P at around the 6 month mark. It is very possible that it can happen with ESO.

 

I wrote an article here and made the breakdown and the current state of P2P games in the MMO landscape:

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/394763

 

It is a very lengthy read, but to make the article extremely compact: At this very moment in time there are over 600 MMOs available to the western market. Of those only 11 of them currently operate using the P2P business model exclusively. 7 of those games were released prior to 2005. 4 of those games were released post 2005.

Every other single game released as P2P (over 60+ games in the past 15 years) has either shut down, gone F2P, gone F2P and P2W, and in almost every case have gone through severe server merges. That is looking at the history and trends the MMO landscape has gone through.

 

If you look at the past 8 years, there have been only 3 games that have continued to use the P2P model... I should say 4 since FFXIV ARR released today. I would be very surprised if this game can go for more than a year without going F2P with its current plan as going P2P tagged with a cash shop.

  jimprouner

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8/28/13 7:55:09 AM#100
Originally posted by AmbrosiaAmor
Originally posted by Iselin

See you in 2016! (e.g. it took Rift 2 years to get there...you think this will be worse than Rift? lol)

 

If you look at the trends from themepark games the gap between release as P2P and switching to F2P has lessened. Games that took a decade to go F2P went down to 5 years then 3 years then 1 year. As it stands some of the more recent MMORPGs made the switch or at the very least made the announcement of going F2P at around the 6 month mark. It is very possible that it can happen with ESO.

 

I wrote an article here and made the breakdown and the current state of P2P games in the MMO landscape:

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/394763

 

It is a very lengthy read, but to make the article extremely compact: At this very moment in time there are over 600 MMOs available to the western market. Of those only 11 of them currently operate using the P2P business model exclusively. 7 of those games were released prior to 2005. 4 of those games were released post 2005.

Every other single game released as P2P (over 60+ games in the past 15 years) has either shut down, gone F2P, gone F2P and P2W, and in almost every case have gone through severe server merges. That is looking at the history and trends the MMO landscape has gone through.

 

If you look at the past 8 years, there have been only 3 games that have continued to use the P2P model... I should say 4 since FFXIV ARR released today. I would be very surprised if this game can go for more than a year without going F2P with its current plan as going P2P tagged with a cash shop.

Another fool pretending to be an expert. 

These games didn't fail because they were P2P.  They failed because they lacked end game and updates.  The MMOs of recent years are using the P2P model to get a faster return on their investment, and to potentially make more money.  They know or just don't care about keeping the game going for years to come.

 

ESO won't fail because it is P2P.

Its just a ripoff.  This will chase away subs, but not before they collect a gross sum of money.

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