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  Alamareth

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8/27/13 6:10:13 PM#21
Originally posted by JasonJ
Originally posted by Braindome

Not many times you see someone be this honest. At the very least it shows the compassion and legitimacy of the problems they are having. 

 Not really. You just don't know much about Japan.

The issues are public and so they MUST say something to save face and sadly, the Shinto way makes it hard to determine if what is being said is honesty, what they really feel or if its just something being done to hide reality. Just know this, in Japan its better to pretend than THIS than show disharmony with THAT.

While true, this does happen - that's an awful cynical representation.  One is able to save face while being honest.

The cynical fakers are the Americans.  Much more so than the Japanese.

  mcrippins

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8/27/13 6:14:47 PM#22
I admit I wrote them a pretty crappy letter. While I didn't use profanity - it was clear I was really upset. Unfortunately, I realize it was just me overreacting because I couldn't play. Granted it sucks that even now I can't log in, but those guys really made a great game. The infrastructure seems to have failed though.
  Nephelai

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8/27/13 6:18:49 PM#23
Originally posted by Zarriya
The game is actually really good so far. I would write more but I am busy playing ;)

Mind sharing what you enjoy about it? It turned me off from the get go so I wouldn't mind finding out if I missed something.

What I couldn't cope with was:

  • The intro - its a silent movie with chat bubbles that you cant get out of even on new chars
  • The interaction system - is silent with chat bubbles (the whole theme seems like this)
  • The cities seem dead - there is no living feel all I hear is elevator music and metal footsteps
  • The cities themselves - they have instanced zones within instanced zones?
  • The outside world - plays and feels like Aion (mob behavior, slow abilities etc)
  • I did like the UI although I don't know why they key bind UI components

 

I just couldn't get past those things sadly.

 

  Mors-Subita

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8/27/13 6:23:58 PM#24
Originally posted by Alamareth
Originally posted by JasonJ
Originally posted by Braindome

Not many times you see someone be this honest. At the very least it shows the compassion and legitimacy of the problems they are having. 

 Not really. You just don't know much about Japan.

The issues are public and so they MUST say something to save face and sadly, the Shinto way makes it hard to determine if what is being said is honesty, what they really feel or if its just something being done to hide reality. Just know this, in Japan its better to pretend than THIS than show disharmony with THAT.

While true, this does happen - that's an awful cynical representation.  One is able to save face while being honest.

The cynical fakers are the Americans.  Much more so than the Japanese.

 I don't know... in my experience it is more the rule than the exception.

Especially here, where pretty much all of the problems we are experiencing stem from administrative decisions.

  Alamareth

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8/27/13 6:27:27 PM#25
Originally posted by Mors-Subita
Originally posted by Alamareth
Originally posted by JasonJ
Originally posted by Braindome

Not many times you see someone be this honest. At the very least it shows the compassion and legitimacy of the problems they are having. 

 Not really. You just don't know much about Japan.

The issues are public and so they MUST say something to save face and sadly, the Shinto way makes it hard to determine if what is being said is honesty, what they really feel or if its just something being done to hide reality. Just know this, in Japan its better to pretend than THIS than show disharmony with THAT.

While true, this does happen - that's an awful cynical representation.  One is able to save face while being honest.

The cynical fakers are the Americans.  Much more so than the Japanese.

 I don't know... in my experience it is more the rule than the exception.

Especially here, where pretty much all of the problems we are experiencing stem from administrative decisions.

None of the precludes how earnest Yoshi was in the speech.

  Diemos

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8/27/13 6:40:19 PM#26

"It is not a perfectly finished MMORPG, but we all arrived at this point together."

Does this not catch anyone elses eye? Maybe I am just looking to much into that statement.

[PvX]Tempest - Check us out

  Alamareth

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8/27/13 6:41:01 PM#27
Originally posted by Diemos

"It is not a perfectly finished MMORPG, but we all arrived at this point together."

Does this not catch anyone elses eye? Maybe I am just looking to much into that statement.

I wouldn't try to read too far into a rough translation...

  MCEscher

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8/27/13 6:48:45 PM#28

I do like the game, when I'm able to play it. However, this launch has been terrible, and really at a critical time when people are just trying to trust SE after the version 1. I left them a nice 0 star review on Metacritic, which they definitely deserve for essentially begging us to trust them and then immediately screwing up.

I've been playing MMO's since Meridian 59 and The Realm, and this sort of launch was the norm in the early days (Anarchy Online, anyone?) However, I can't remember a recent launch that has had these kinds of problems. If you can only play in peak hours, then this has basically been three to four days of downtime, which would have been ridiculous even in 2001. Given that they already had ONE bad launch, it's unbelievable that it's this bad a second time around.

 

  evianwater

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Joined: 4/10/09
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8/27/13 8:41:08 PM#29
Originally posted by rnor6084

Let the brutality begin. I'm sure the MMO community will show its true colors once again.

 

No doubt he and his family have already received death threats.

 

All over a stupid video game that spoiled men and children aren't able to play.

 

 

If you're a celebrity in any sense..you're gonna receive death threats. Not saying that's ok, it's not, it's a disgusting part of our society. But the point I'm making is it's not just the "MMO Community". Just look at the death threats the guy received for fumbling (the 49ers player), the death threats Mark Sanchez gets..

 

 

  Husvik

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Having fun who cares.

8/27/13 8:54:57 PM#30

And that there is why the game is so AMAZING!!!

 

They f'in care, they put their hearts and souls into this game, and it MF shows. This is why myself and countless others are so enamoured with this game.

  slicknslim88

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8/27/13 9:00:28 PM#31
Originally posted by r3t3

And that there is why the game is so AMAZING!!!

 

They f'in care, they put their hearts and souls into this game, and it MF shows. This is why myself and countless others are so enamoured with this game.

Truly, this game is just awesome.   My friend and I are hopelessly addicted to it.  We piss and moan that we can't login, but it doesn't even matter because we are thrilled that this game exists, that our new addiction is here and it's here to stay for a long while.

  EvolvedMonky

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8/27/13 9:22:49 PM#32
Originally posted by MCEscher

I do like the game, when I'm able to play it. However, this launch has been terrible, and really at a critical time when people are just trying to trust SE after the version 1. I left them a nice 0 star review on Metacritic, which they definitely deserve for essentially begging us to trust them and then immediately screwing up.

I've been playing MMO's since Meridian 59 and The Realm, and this sort of launch was the norm in the early days (Anarchy Online, anyone?) However, I can't remember a recent launch that has had these kinds of problems. If you can only play in peak hours, then this has basically been three to four days of downtime, which would have been ridiculous even in 2001. Given that they already had ONE bad launch, it's unbelievable that it's this bad a second time around.

 

****** The Realm ******

  sumdumguy1

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8/27/13 9:26:00 PM#33
Originally posted by slicknslim88
Originally posted by r3t3

And that there is why the game is so AMAZING!!!

 

They f'in care, they put their hearts and souls into this game, and it MF shows. This is why myself and countless others are so enamoured with this game.

Truly, this game is just awesome.   My friend and I are hopelessly addicted to it.  We piss and moan that we can't login, but it doesn't even matter because we are thrilled that this game exists, that our new addiction is here and it's here to stay for a long while.

I really want to be mad at you for posting this as I have had trouble logging on,  unfortunately I agree wholeheartedly with you.  I really love playing this game.

  STYNKFYST

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8/27/13 9:26:38 PM#34
Wait....so Yoshi (borrowed name) is a celeb for this game? Just wondering. Never heard of anything like this.
  Alamareth

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8/27/13 10:53:56 PM#35
Originally posted by STYNKFYST
Wait....so Yoshi (borrowed name) is a celeb for this game? Just wondering. Never heard of anything like this.

Yoshi P is the producer - works for SE on FFXIV:ARR exclusively.

  icculus2112

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8/27/13 11:10:27 PM#36
Originally posted by Seelinnikoi

There is no excuse.

 

If other MMOs can have little to no problems, why didnt they do?

 

Look at Rift's launch, I think it was the most polished ever!

Rift is a bad example to use.  

Right when I log into a city in FFXIV I see hundreds of players.

If I log into a Rift city I see green condoms.

 

  Jagarid

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“Every man takes the limits of his own field of vision for the limits of the world.”

8/27/13 11:22:00 PM#37
I don't know about anyone else, but the frustration of having trouble logging in its quickly erased by the jubilation when I finally get in. Best MMO I have played in 6 years.
  WoW_Refugee

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8/27/13 11:22:16 PM#38

MMOs will always suffer these problems on launch day (and beyond). That's all there is to it, and no amount of complaining or "voting with your hard-earned dollars" will change that. MMOs as a genre have been around for +/- 15 years now; in that time, there have been perhaps ONE OR TWO truly error-free, "smooth launches".

If people have not yet figured out that an MMO will always, always, always, ALWAYS have launch day problems, no matter how long beta was, then they have only themselves to blame for their unhappiness when launch day rolls around.

  neorandom

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8/27/13 11:28:49 PM#39
Originally posted by Elevenb4
I'd be crying too if I knew that the launch of their "Rebirth" would be this bad. I know this will cost them a  lot of players. I'm not one that's leaving, I plan on being here for awhile, but at the same time I'm more than a little frustrated with being able to play about a total of 6 hours since early access.

actually i doubt it will cost them a single long term player that they would want as a customer.  maybe itll cost them a hand full of 1 monthers.  the masses you are thinking of are the forum trolls that will never actually play it regaurdless, saying its why they didnt play it.

  icculus2112

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8/27/13 11:31:58 PM#40
Originally posted by MCEscher

I do like the game, when I'm able to play it. However, this launch has been terrible, and really at a critical time when people are just trying to trust SE after the version 1. I left them a nice 0 star review on Metacritic, which they definitely deserve for essentially begging us to trust them and then immediately screwing up.

I've been playing MMO's since Meridian 59 and The Realm, and this sort of launch was the norm in the early days (Anarchy Online, anyone?) However, I can't remember a recent launch that has had these kinds of problems. If you can only play in peak hours, then this has basically been three to four days of downtime, which would have been ridiculous even in 2001. Given that they already had ONE bad launch, it's unbelievable that it's this bad a second time around.

 

People like you shouldnt be allowed to leave reviews, because you are dishonest.

The game is clearly not a 0 by any stretch of the imagination.  If you don't like the old school game play, I can see it being a 6.   

You know what FFXIV doesnt have?  Bugs.  Lag.  Crashes.  The game is better made than 90% of MMO launches.

The honest thing to do is give the game the score it deserves and mention the log in issues in the review, or withhold the review until the login issues are fixed.  but you would rather let your emotions get the better of you and be a liar.  

The fact you compare this launch to 1.0 shows your lack of understanding of the situation, possibly fueled by your rage.  1.0 was an incomplete, horrible game.  2.0 is a well made game plagued by issues related to congestion.

 

The lack of a queue is astonishing and unfathomable.  But the game is a 7.5 give or take a point and a half depending on personal preferences.  

Children need to stop overreacting, we havent even seen what they will give as compensation.  We also know SE knows how to run a game long term, FFXI is proof of that.  Not saying they get a free pass (I expectt a free month which costs them millions), but throwing a temper tantrum and trying to drag a company (who has busted their ass with this game) down because you couldnt play a couple of days is being a shitty human being.

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