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  stevebombsquad

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8/25/13 5:19:52 PM#21
Originally posted by Amjoco
Originally posted by Piechunks

Actually, no, you're actually part of the silent majority.

The WvW and SPvP participation rates as a function of population are abysmal for most servers.

If most people liked PvP they would participate in it, but they don't.

Not to mention that SPvP is especially frustrating in this game due to skill lag (the server delay, since it checks every skill; there was a lengthy thread made and replied to by ANET confirming the issue). It definitely was designed for E-Sports where everybody is on a LAN rather than an MMO where you have people with often 300+ latencies playing simply due to routing they have no control over.

I think WvW had the right idea, but was implemented far too simplistically: there is no strategy involved other than for a commander to memorize locations to treb from. Most people in WvW are just zerglings and when you do roam the game doesn't reward you. The lack of proportional rewards for winning/losing are another problem that chases away most potential players from WvW in my opinion.

 

It is my opinion that WoW had better PvP in both arena and balanced instanced battleground, although in all fairness GW2 lacks the latter entirely.

If people like this, then that's their choice. I personally can't stand the PvP in this game, even though I am fair at it compared to other games.

 

I think that the core of GW2 isn't bad, but it's up to the devs to realize its potential. The actual combat is better than GW1s, so it kind of seems like GW2 is the prodigal son of the genre.

Not to mention... where are the GUILD WARS, the very namesake of the game? They were pretty great in GW1.

 

Abysmal participation? Here is a shot of sPvP as of this hour. There are 50 full matches going on right now. Not to mention the thousands playing WvWvW. 

Also, the game isn't called GUILD WARS BECAUSE guilds fight one another. It is part of the guild wars that happen before prophecies. The Guild Wars

Only 50 people playing sPvP? That is extremely low for a game with the population of GW2. One only has to look at the TwitchTV numbers to figure out that it has little potential as an esport. It averages less than 500 people during primetime hours. That is less way less than WoW or even Diablo. As a matter of fact, it is even less than a quarter of the people that view RuneScape..... 

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  Jean-Luc_Picard

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8/25/13 5:24:57 PM#22
Originally posted by stevebombsquad

Only 50 people playing sPvP?

More misinterpretation of what has been said by the usual suspects just to bash the game. When will it stop?

It's really getting old.

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  Amjoco

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8/25/13 5:27:37 PM#23
Originally posted by stevebombsquad
Originally posted by Amjoco
Originally posted by Piechunks

Actually, no, you're actually part of the silent majority.

The WvW and SPvP participation rates as a function of population are abysmal for most servers.

If most people liked PvP they would participate in it, but they don't.

Not to mention that SPvP is especially frustrating in this game due to skill lag (the server delay, since it checks every skill; there was a lengthy thread made and replied to by ANET confirming the issue). It definitely was designed for E-Sports where everybody is on a LAN rather than an MMO where you have people with often 300+ latencies playing simply due to routing they have no control over.

I think WvW had the right idea, but was implemented far too simplistically: there is no strategy involved other than for a commander to memorize locations to treb from. Most people in WvW are just zerglings and when you do roam the game doesn't reward you. The lack of proportional rewards for winning/losing are another problem that chases away most potential players from WvW in my opinion.

 

It is my opinion that WoW had better PvP in both arena and balanced instanced battleground, although in all fairness GW2 lacks the latter entirely.

If people like this, then that's their choice. I personally can't stand the PvP in this game, even though I am fair at it compared to other games.

 

I think that the core of GW2 isn't bad, but it's up to the devs to realize its potential. The actual combat is better than GW1s, so it kind of seems like GW2 is the prodigal son of the genre.

Not to mention... where are the GUILD WARS, the very namesake of the game? They were pretty great in GW1.

 

Abysmal participation? Here is a shot of sPvP as of this hour. There are 50 full matches going on right now. Not to mention the thousands playing WvWvW. 

Also, the game isn't called GUILD WARS BECAUSE guilds fight one another. It is part of the guild wars that happen before prophecies. The Guild Wars

Only 50 people playing sPvP? That is extremely low for a game with the population of GW2. One only has to look at the TwitchTV numbers to figure out that it has little potential as an esport. It averages less than 500 people during primetime hours. That is less way less than WoW or even Diablo. As a matter of fact, it is even less than a quarter of the people that view RuneScape..... 

That is 50 matches per server, not people. Just on Sanctum of Rall alone right now there are roughly 400 people playing sPvP. 54(servers) x 400(players) = 21,600 people that can outrun a centaur. :) Of course it will be less during off peak times.

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  User Deleted
8/25/13 5:38:11 PM#24
Originally posted by Amjoco

 

Yes, per server. I'm not sure what you want here. To me that is not abysmal at all. 54 servers is a lot of people constantly playing. They don't play and then not play again. That is all the time.

WvWvW: Maybe you misunderstood me here, I didn't mention anything about thousands per server. 54 GW2 servers divided by 3 per WvWvW is 17 active playing fields. Even if there are only 100 (very conservative number) people involved in each WvWvW playing, that is 1700. So do you think less than 100 people are playing per WvWvW? I would say the numbers are quite higher and no one can really tell, but I do know that with folks zerging, roaming groups, doing map completion, gathering, and single players ganking, it is more than 300 per WvWvW.

I play WvWvW, and haven't recorded any video lately, but this was from 4 months ago when the population was somewhat lower. It is slightly better now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQLMi2PF8UM This video is very subjective and I am using it as an example. If I go right now to WvWvW I can easily find battles like this. Perhaps your server is lower, I haven't a clue. I play on Sanctum or Rall. I'm not trying to argue with you, but I feel (imho) GW2 PvP participation is far from abysmal. But you're opinion on what is is different than mine.

Recent youtube videos

General Battle.

Keeps. 

Disrupting zergs. (not recent but fun to watch.)

 

Well it's conjecture for both of us, unless ANET suddenly decides to release numbers. If at least 30% (I'd even be more generous to round up) of the total time spent in-game is in any kind of PvP activity, I'd consider it active and eat my words. 

There are quite a few threads on the WvW forums, particularly for the lower-mid tier servers, about neigh dead WvW.

However, the most touted form of PvP in GW2, in my opinion, is SPvP since it is the only PvP with ties to esports (correct me if I'm wrong) and that particular PvP, at least to me, seems to have a very low participation rate. 

 

  Amjoco

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8/25/13 5:43:34 PM#25
Originally posted by Piechunks
Originally posted by Amjoco

 

Yes, per server. I'm not sure what you want here. To me that is not abysmal at all. 54 servers is a lot of people constantly playing. They don't play and then not play again. That is all the time.

WvWvW: Maybe you misunderstood me here, I didn't mention anything about thousands per server. 54 GW2 servers divided by 3 per WvWvW is 17 active playing fields. Even if there are only 100 (very conservative number) people involved in each WvWvW playing, that is 1700. So do you think less than 100 people are playing per WvWvW? I would say the numbers are quite higher and no one can really tell, but I do know that with folks zerging, roaming groups, doing map completion, gathering, and single players ganking, it is more than 300 per WvWvW.

I play WvWvW, and haven't recorded any video lately, but this was from 4 months ago when the population was somewhat lower. It is slightly better now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQLMi2PF8UM This video is very subjective and I am using it as an example. If I go right now to WvWvW I can easily find battles like this. Perhaps your server is lower, I haven't a clue. I play on Sanctum or Rall. I'm not trying to argue with you, but I feel (imho) GW2 PvP participation is far from abysmal. But you're opinion on what is is different than mine.

Recent youtube videos

General Battle.

Keeps. 

Disrupting zergs. (not recent but fun to watch.)

 

Well it's conjecture for both of us, unless ANET suddenly decides to release numbers. If at least 30% (I'd even be more generous to round up) of the total time spent in-game is in any kind of PvP activity, I'd consider it active and eat my words. 

There are quite a few threads on the WvW forums, particularly for the lower-mid tier servers, about neigh dead WvW.

However, the most touted form of PvP in GW2, in my opinion, is SPvP since it is the only PvP with ties to esports (correct me if I'm wrong) and that particular PvP, at least to me, seems to have a very low participation rate. 

 

Well in one of my above posts, I stated that my sPvP server has roughly 400 people on right now. That is a lot of players over 54 servers, not a glorious amount, but not abysmal. But you are totally correct on it being all guessing on the totals. I shake hands and say have a fine day Sir! :)

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  Aeander

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8/25/13 7:51:06 PM#26

Wait, everyone thinks Guild Wars 2 PvP is all that? I love the game and I still find the PvP mediocre.

 

The only great aspect of GW2 PvP is that it's skill-based, rather than gear-based. The actual pvp experience is lackluster because conquest is a crappy game mode.

  Bad.dog

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8/25/13 10:20:20 PM#27
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
Originally posted by stevebombsquad

Only 50 people playing sPvP?

More misinterpretation of what has been said by the usual suspects just to bash the game. When will it stop?

It's really getting old.

Hard to not look simple when you insert your foot that far into your mouth but I give them the benefit of the doubt and assume it's just boredom or being childish  ...+1 to it's really getting old though

  mysticalspam

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8/25/13 10:23:28 PM#28
if they only had tanks, heals, and dps this game would rule

  Aeander

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8/26/13 7:39:30 AM#29
Originally posted by mysticalspam
if they only had tanks, heals, and dps this game would rule

They do have all of these things - it's just that everyone has to do all of these things at once. As opposed to having your teammates do 2/3rd of your job for you, you have to actually think and be responsible for yourself and your teammates. 

 

And that's why the game already rules.

  Aeander

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8/26/13 9:24:36 AM#30
Originally posted by BichMittens
PvP was pretty shallow in this game.  Follow the zerg, win.  Don't follow the zerg, opposing zerg finds you.

 

Even Arenanet doesn't count WvW as PvP. Why do you think there are so many attempts to work WvW into the PvE experience? For starters, WvW counts towards PvE map completion. It also includes jumping puzzles and dailies that are lumped in with PvE dailies. Now add in that PvE gear is used in WvW, gear earned in WvW is used to PvE, and experience can be gained in WvW to level up your character for PvE (or vice versa). 

 

It's clear that the zerg-happy WvW is not intended to constitute real pvp. 

  Kuppa

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8/26/13 10:24:20 AM#31
Originally posted by BichMittens
PvP was pretty shallow in this game.  Follow the zerg, win.  Don't follow the zerg, opposing zerg finds you.

Spvp is mostly what the OP is talking about I think. Which does not come close to that.


  almalexius

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8/28/13 9:42:39 AM#32
I feel this game is very mediocre.

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  9ineven

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8/28/13 10:03:25 AM#33
Originally posted by almalexius
I feel this game is very mediocre.

 

Signature: Currently playing GW2.

 

You might change that now.

  1vald2

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8/28/13 10:07:25 AM#34
Originally posted by dimnikar

What bother's me about it is zero strategy.

In slower paced games that have more spells & skills, there's an interesting dynamic when faced with an equal level opponent.

It's not so much a matter of who dpses who down first, but waiting for the other person to make a mistake. In fact, for me, a GOOD MMO pvp match can last a long time before it's resolved (low numbers, not ZERG obviously - different dynamic there).

I like seeing/anticipating my enemies move, so I can counter it with a spell/skill designed for that. There is none of that in GW2.

Reminds me of GW1's PvP. Which I personally like a lot more! 

But I have to agree with the OP. The PvP in GW2 feels clunky and unrewarding. 

  Nadia

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8/28/13 10:08:59 AM#35
Originally posted by 1vald2

Reminds me of GW1's PvP. Which I personally like a lot more! 

But I have to agree with the OP. The PvP in GW2 feels clunky and unrewarding. 

I prefer GW1 pvp too

  Lord.Bachus

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8/28/13 10:19:29 AM#36

Combat in GW2 is all about timing and oredicting your ennemies actions... And so is the dodge roll,  this brings PvP in this game on another level.

 

if youre not up for investing more time, forget it to be competitive at toplevel.

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8/28/13 10:51:19 AM#37
Originally posted by lolunatic

Seriously, I never log off gw2 with a positive attitude, it seems to always be in a rage-fit. One of the biggest thing that bothers me with this game is the fake dodge, it just doesn't feel like it fits, and the combat itself (how the abilities work + movement) just seem unbelievably clunky and un-fun. I give props this game's pve, even though I'm not a pve'er WHATSOEVER, and mostly aways just a pvp junky.

 

Does anyone else feel this way? I hear ALL the time around almost all the forums that gw2 is a really solid pvp game, I mean it must be if it has this 'e-sport' following, and its own tournament but I just don't see it, in all honesty I had more fun pvping in swtor because I could at least tell what the hell was going on around me and could make desicions based on what I saw. 

I've had this game since launch and I play it on and off just for the pvp, because I never bother with pve, I can't ever seem to stick with the game because I'm inconsistent when I play, ( I either do really well or do really badly ). I'm not just a hotjoin noob, I do the solo arenas, and try to keep up with the best specs.

which brings me to another thing I absolutely hate about this game;s pvp, some builds are just insane, and can rip you apart if you don't dodge with in the 1/2 second you get, not to mention the animations for everything are incredibly small and your camera is pretty much stuck in your butt so you cant see around you too well. . .

 

 

I am in a raging fit, but I just want to know how to does one find joy in this game's pvp, to me I haven't played pvp more frustrating.

 

I make builds. I enjoy testing out and trying out crazy ideas and posting them on youtube. Geting those to work well in a competitive scenario is one of the great challenges of making builds and it's fun.

People in this game generally follow the meta, I like to find ways to counter it. Everyone goes "Oh no, Anet you've gotta nerf that!!!" and I go "Hmm, if we take that class and that class and use these skills, we should be able to squash this little meta of theirs" unfortunately, I never have a team to try things with. But nonethelesss, it's fun to play in these metas and come up with strategies to counter them.

It's all about the Build Wars for me. That's why I find it fun.

This is not a game.

  coretex666

Hard Core Member

Joined: 1/03/12
Posts: 1816

"I shall take your position into consideration"

8/28/13 10:59:32 AM#38

GW 2 PvP thread reminded me of the "first impressions" video with Ripper X where he keeps repeating that he is going for some "open world PvP" and that he is engaged in "open world PvP".

Always makes me laugh when I play it. It is like I am going to this special zone which is completely separated from the rest of the world for some open world PvP. Hilarious.

Sorry for OT.

Currently playing: L2 Chronicle 4

  djazzy

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Posts: 3623

8/28/13 11:03:29 AM#39

I enjoy it but there isn't a game that every single person will like.

I mean I hate LoL but a lot of people like it. I just think all of those people are wrong and I'm right.

  Shadanwolf

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Posts: 1869

8/28/13 11:12:12 AM#40
Originally posted by lolunatic

Seriously, I never log off gw2 with a positive attitude, it seems to always be in a rage-fit. One of the biggest thing that bothers me with this game is the fake dodge, it just doesn't feel like it fits, and the combat itself (how the abilities work + movement) just seem unbelievably clunky and un-fun. I give props this game's pve, even though I'm not a pve'er WHATSOEVER, and mostly aways just a pvp junky.

 

Does anyone else feel this way? I hear ALL the time around almost all the forums that gw2 is a really solid pvp game, I mean it must be if it has this 'e-sport' following, and its own tournament but I just don't see it, in all honesty I had more fun pvping in swtor because I could at least tell what the hell was going on around me and could make desicions based on what I saw. 

I've had this game since launch and I play it on and off just for the pvp, because I never bother with pve, I can't ever seem to stick with the game because I'm inconsistent when I play, ( I either do really well or do really badly ). I'm not just a hotjoin noob, I do the solo arenas, and try to keep up with the best specs.

which brings me to another thing I absolutely hate about this game;s pvp, some builds are just insane, and can rip you apart if you don't dodge with in the 1/2 second you get, not to mention the animations for everything are incredibly small and your camera is pretty much stuck in your butt so you cant see around you too well. . .

 

 OP...I share your feelings about the WvW.The developers clearly have no knowledge of or concern for WvW.When the game first launched the were 2-5 hour long cues waiting to get into the WvW battlegrounds. Arenanet's solution was to ignore the cries to fix WvW(the complaints stated in beta) and the result is people stopped WvW or playing the game).

GW2 is a good pve game...crafting and WvW are simply awful.

 

 

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