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  LungingWolf

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8/25/13 11:16:42 PM#121


Originally Posted by Suzie Ford

1) Utter & Complete Jealousy

Still, as said in the intro, World of Warcraft is the top dog, the game to beat, the standard against which every other MMO measures itself. Don't try to deny it. MMO developers are constantly looking for ways to 'think outside the box' in order to take down WoW. After so many years of attempting (and failing) to clone WoW, developers are now pushing the envelope and becoming more and more innovative in the process. This is only a good thing for the industry.

Until the time, however, that a game comes along that truly improves all that World of Warcraft is, it will remain on top. There never has been a more popular game than WoW and for good reason: It set the standard. For my money, it will take a long, long time for any other game to become what WoW has been to so many people. It is truly something special.



"It set the standard"? Standard for what? The kind of revenue which each MMO company should lust after? The level of timesinking which each MMO company should put in their game?

Here are the real reasons why WoW has remained the so-called “top dog” of the MMO industry:

  • Nostalgia: As WoW opened up the MMO market to a broader audience, a significant number of MMO players got their first MMO experience through playing WoW. Because of this, WoW wields the potent power of nostalgia over these MMO players and, thus, many of these players cannot walk away from WoW.
  • Player Investment: Maxing out a character’s level, skills, and gear in WoW requires a great deal of personal investment, especially if you do it for many alternate characters and over the course of many expansions. Many MMO players refuse to walk away from that kind of investiment in WoW.
  • Social Circles: WoW’s audience includes many families and circles of friends. Quite obviously, people don’t like to leave such connections behind.
  • WoW’s Longevity: Because WoW’s reign at the top has been long and stable, many view WoW as a safe, quality choice for their “MMO home,” even if they play other MMOs.
  • WoW Pride: Yes, WoW does have many legions of fanboys loyal to it. But, while this fanboyism is originally rooted in other factors, it ultimately has a life of its own.
  • Inflated Subscription Numbers: Yes, many WoW players have more than one account, gold seller agents have many accounts besides the ones which they hijack, and Blizzard’s very own definition of a “subscriber” is not very clear. What a mess.

WoW is not the industry standard for anything. WoW simply came along at the right time, used new ways to entangle people into its game, and now rides its own coattails. But, since people have caught on to WoW’s tricks, no other MMO company has been able to replicate WoW’s success in entangling people. But, even so, the damage is done and many people remain entangled in WoW.

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  WhynoRMAH

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8/26/13 1:04:45 AM#122

I think WoW is a great game. I loved making gold and doing dailies to collect all pets and mounts between doing PvP and PvE.

 

In the end the pandas got to me. They don't fit in with the rest of the world and the story is some teen angst stuff. Fighting embodied emotions is so meh. Why is this new-age panda telling me to keep my emotions in check? Give me an out of control warlock or mage on a powertrip raising demons, the dead or making constructs. Sha energy. Huh? What? Couldn't it be a regular powertrip instead of sha energy turning some Horde or Ally leader? Powerful artifact in the hands of the orc chief and such?

 

I saw the D3 expansion video from gamescon when some guy explained the steps they went through in developing the new Crusader class. Does it fit in to the lore of the Diablo world? I thought to myself  "I wish that guy had been on the WoW team".

  Voqar

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8/26/13 1:23:34 AM#123

WoW is still a decent game, as dumbed down and gutted as it has become.  How many WoW clones have their been now...and how do they constantly fail to nail the formula enough such that WoW isn't affected at all by them?  When so many WoW clones are just weak not so close copies, why not just play the still better original?

 

I can't stomach WoW anymore myself but 6.5 years of fun til cata came along isn't too shabby.  I'll always respect WoW and have tons of great memories from it.  I do feel like WoW has evolved TOO far towards dumbing down and casual, and don't think their management or design team are worth a crap anymore.

 

Oddly the entire genre is shifting more towards ultra dumbed down and the games just get worse and worse, have no chance of being sub-based, and play more like weak single player games for the brain dead.

 

"There's not a publisher or developer in the business that wouldn't want to be the one to topple the Blizzard juggernaut and, while inevitably that time will come"

 

Doubt it.  I doubt any MMORPG ever boasts WoW's peak numbers.  There are too many MMORPGs now and too many online games.  The landscape of online gaming has changed a lot since WoW first released.  Bliz hooked a lot of first time players and people that don't play many other games - nobody else really has that kind of firepower.  WoW will lose more players over time but it's not like their loss is noticeably boosting any other particular game.

 

Plus, MMORPG devs are almost as dumb as the players the try to cater too.  As long as they keep making solo ez-mode games that try to be everything to everybody while being strong at nothing, they will just continue to be mediocre and wallow in the F2P cesspool.  F2P for MMORPGs is a model of churn (and a steaming pile of dook), and it's unlikely that any F2P will ever boast anything close to WoW's numbers.

 

I have no idea why people hate WoW.  I can only say that most MMORPG players aren't all that bright.  It's like something that's illogical but trendy amongst the less intelligent.  It's extra comical when players in the latest WoW clone are saying their game is the best thing ever and WoW sucks...when their game is completely derivative of and a weak copy of WoW's formula.  In almost every MMORPG out since WoW saying WoW sucks is like saying the MMORPG you're currently playing sucks.

 

  Wraithone

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8/26/13 1:37:18 AM#124

You had to know, that this column would attract the worst of the anti WoW trolls and haters... Shame on you... ^^  I started in late beta. I have two 90's an 87 and six 85's.  But right now, I'm taking a vacation from WoW. Why? Largely boredom. That coupled with the fact that I hate the GOGOGO! crowd, and their buddies the GearScore snobs. 

If you aren't dripping in the highest tier purples, you can pretty much forget seeing much of the new content.  For that, I blame Ghostcrawler and his excessive focus on spread sheets and data mining, rather than on what makes the game, or a given class fun to play.  I may go back for the next expansion, but I doubt I'll stay for very long.  Unless things turn around, I'm pretty much done with WoW.

  mhoward48

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8/26/13 2:49:56 AM#125
They forgot the dumb looking cartoony look. That is why I quit playing it after two weeks. I could not stand looking at the cartoon characters.

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  Aulliwyn

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8/26/13 7:55:20 AM#126
[quote=mhoward48]They forgot the dumb looking cartoony look. That is why I quit playing it after two weeks. I could not stand looking at the cartoon characters.[/quote]

And it is uninformed opinions like these that causes me to see every "wow hater" as a simple minded dolt. The article clearly made reference to World of Warcraft's stylized graphics. Did you even read this article?


  someforumguy

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8/26/13 8:17:57 AM#127

While I don't hate WoW (I actually think it is a very good game), I don't like to play it though. Point 2 is one of the more important reasons why. The setting and artstyle doesn't help either.

Somehow WoW managed to implement features in a way that I just don't like. A list of not so important details which were on their own certainly not gamebreaking. But as a whole made this game not very interesting to me. I can list them all, but they would all come down to personal preference, so meh.

  Stefacle

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8/26/13 8:31:51 AM#128

I don't hate WoW, I hate what WoW did to the MMO industry.

Luckily the MMO industry seems to be waking up from its slumber. We have some very promising MMO titles coming up, and most of them have their own style and doesn't look like the typical WoW clones that we have grown so used to. Even WoW is finally dwindling, and it is a question of time before we will have a new game on the MMO throne.

I have high hopes that the future of MMO's is bright, yet again.

  Muke

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8/26/13 8:44:52 AM#129
Originally posted by Lugors

Couple of additional points to ponder. 

1.  WoW has it's own dedicated and fairly popular fansite in MMO-Champ.  No other site for any other game comes close for up to date news on a game.  This website is focused on everything else besides WoW, so it's a good place for the WoW haters to vent.

it's a public forum, not just a fanboi 24/7 WOW Appreciation Day here. People who do not like WOW don't get shot over here like on that MMO-Champ site where 1 word of criticism ends up in 100x hatereplies and a instaban from the moderators.

2.  Don't give the sandbox vocal minority that much credit.  If there were a market for that sort of game, developers would be making them.  There is a huge gulf between what shows up on an internet forum, and what people open their wallets for. There is, but it is easier to give players who do not like to think for themselves a dangling carrot instead of letting  them making their own content.  Themepark players also do not notice the fact that they are doing the same thing over and over again and thus are easily satisfied with simple content.

Sandbox players -usually- are more adult too, exceptions are there ofc, and that market is smaller then the teenage generation who haven't got work/family to take care of and play 23/7.

3.   WoW clones keep showing up because that's where the market is, and no theme park type game has close to the content and depth of WoW.  When gameplay is the end all be all of the genre, it's hard to compete with 9 years of iteration that WoW has.

There is no depth, you said it yourself, it is as basic as it gets, it's a themepark (your quote), it's just dps-tank-healer spank the boss fights (which are all scripted to the very split second) from level 1 to max level, jumping questhubs all the way, the difference is that there is a lot of content for this template in this game. But fact is that it's all the same, just the boss has a new skin, the zone has a different theme, and you are doing the same scripted event over and over again.

But depth? What is there more to do then the standard cookie cutter raids/arenas?  mindless reputation grinds? Farmville? or those tamagotchi fights?  This game is as shallow as it gets, it just appeals as it is a very easy to get into MMO for beginners and they got many players hooked onto this game with their gear grind mechanic, which was a brilliant strategy by Blizzard.

But if that target group likes it: fine, they are right by playing it then.

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  CthulhuPuffs

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8/26/13 9:26:56 AM#130

I dont hate WoW at all. I think its a fine game. In and of itself.

 

What I HATE is ever other M'Fking MMO Dev Company trying to be like WoW in the Subs Dept.

They are so concerned with obtaining that same massive success that they focus too much on WoW and not enough on their own game.

And then they wonder why it tanks

 

WoW was a fluke. A Perfect Storm of Timing and Gamestyle. Its unlikely to happen again

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  43%burnt

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8/26/13 9:34:08 AM#131

The number one reason for the lovehate is simply: Everyone knows WoW. And be it only from the Southpark episode or the ADs.

It was, and still is, a good game, but I happend to catch up to my carrot at the end of WotLK. I don't like the Cata Talenttrees and wasn't interested in the other stuff added. I also never liked the arena, I prefered the vanilla way of testing that shiny new weapon from the guts of some old god on the face of a random gnome. Repeatedly.

  DavisFlight

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8/26/13 11:16:39 PM#132
Originally posted by Voqar

WoW is still a decent game, as dumbed down and gutted as it has become.  How many WoW clones have their been now...and how do they constantly fail to nail the formula

They all nail the formula. It's a dirt simple formula.

It's just a bad formula. WoW gets away with using it because it is THE MMO, so as many people that stop playing it, there are hundreds more about to play it. That, and you never make people stop doing something they're invested in by releasing something the same but slightly better (google+ vs facebook).

It's too mainstream for its own bad design and boring gameplay to bring it down.

  Holophonist

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8/28/13 10:35:04 PM#133
Maybe it's because the game is incredibly boring.....? Questing is easy and dull, raids are you standing there pressing the same few buttons over and over again. It exists because people are in love with the carrot-on-a-stick way of making games. It's pathetic really.
  Arthasm

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8/29/13 2:37:16 AM#134
Originally posted by Holophonist
Maybe it's because the game is incredibly boring.....? Questing is easy and dull, raids are you standing there pressing the same few buttons over and over again. It exists because people are in love with the carrot-on-a-stick way of making games. It's pathetic really.

Same I can say for 99.99% other games. But, did you tried mashing few buttons standing there in heroic raids?

  Holophonist

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8/29/13 7:40:33 AM#135
Originally posted by Arthasm
Originally posted by Holophonist
Maybe it's because the game is incredibly boring.....? Questing is easy and dull, raids are you standing there pressing the same few buttons over and over again. It exists because people are in love with the carrot-on-a-stick way of making games. It's pathetic really.

Same I can say for 99.99% other games. But, did you tried mashing few buttons standing there in heroic raids?

 

...the games that are WoW clones.

  Reeniye

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9/15/13 6:06:33 AM#136
I met my husband through WOW and while I'm unfortunately not a veteran of vanilla, I did start playing shortly after BC came out and I can assure you that while WOW is still a good game it was much better back then. Yes, I enjoy being able to fly in Azeroth, yes I absolutely hated questing in Northrend just like everyone else but also enjoyed the free major city portals in Dalaran, but quite a few things really upset me, such at the split right down the middle of the barrens (because now my shirt that says I survived barrens chat makes almost no sense anymore) and the flooding of thousand needles, which was a major step in the mining profession, had a speedway that allowed for rep grinding with the goblins, after a fashion, and had quite a few quests that aren't even available for players anymore. I continue to play to this day but I've found myself getting bored with the game much quicker. It use to take months, sometimes up to a year for me to get bored, now im lucky if I get a month or two's worth of entertainment out of it. I get more entertainment from Combat Arms now than I do from WOW.  It also really upsets me that as a BC player it took FOREVER to get to 40 when you could FINALLY ride a mount and you had to borrow gold from a maxed out plaer to even THINK about buying your flying mount at 60. I miss the days when if you had a rare mount drop people were jealous and endeavored to aquire the same mount by any means possible. Now they simply go to the auction house and buy them. If Blizzard would just return WOW to the way it was they'd see a return of the old faithfuls and a steady revenue instead of the flaky players they have now, who, when their favorite add-ons such as tom-tom or questhelper go on the fritz, immediately log off and steadfastly refuse to get back on until it gets fixed. OLD WOW WAS THE BEST WOW AND THESE LITTLE TEENYBOPPERS NEED TO GROW UP AND STOP WHINING ABOUT HOW THEIR VIDEO GAME IS TOO HARD.
 
  Reeniye

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9/15/13 6:08:51 AM#137
I WOULD TOTALLY GO GNOME PUNTING WITH YOU!
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9/15/13 6:12:59 AM#138
Originally posted by XilentStorm
Lol @ 1. 2 is true but the stupid companies that like to keep following an ancient design ruin my new games. And it pisses me off that WoW players think they're gamers. I can play Farm ville for days on end. Doesn't make me anything more than an addicted casual, NOT a hardcore. Figures a column like this would pop up sooner or later. But if you like being a robot and mashing buttons at a generic world then have fun. Just don't drag down the rest of the industry with you.

what a pathetic answer?

you call YOURSELF gamer? and you are the judge if others are gamers or not, right?

 

well, go and play farmwill, fine. if you achieve anything special some day let us know about it, eg if you find 9 friends, organize a raid with em in farmvill and actually clear your ... garden in that case i guess...

 

seriously... when people are having fun playing, who are you to judge em?

 

1) Utter & Complete Jealousy 

 

nuff said :)

"believe me, mike.. i calculated the odds of this working against the odds that i was doing something incredibly stupid… and i did it anyway!"

  Reeniye

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9/15/13 6:13:21 AM#139
Originally posted by CthulhuPuffs

I dont hate WoW at all. I think its a fine game. In and of itself.

 

What I HATE is ever other M'Fking MMO Dev Company trying to be like WoW in the Subs Dept.

They are so concerned with obtaining that same massive success that they focus too much on WoW and not enough on their own game.

And then they wonder why it tanks

 

WoW was a fluke. A Perfect Storm of Timing and Gamestyle. Its unlikely to happen again

 

I agree it was a massive coincidence  that ended in ridiculous success and would not have succeeded had they not already made a name for themselves in the gaming industry although I do have to say that swtor has actually come close to matching WOW in entertainment. I absolutely hate most WOW imitators but this game I actually got into tho I still prefer WOW

  Reeniye

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9/15/13 6:56:19 AM#140
Originally posted by mCalvert
Personally I hate it because its hyped reputation comes from people who have probably never played anything else. Its like Harry Potter. People who love that series have probably never read another book.
 

I am an avid reader and I loved the Harry Potter books. Just because you didn't like them doesn't mean that the people who DID like them have no taste or are just latching onto the first book they read. Think before you type, please.

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