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General Discussion  » EQ:N, the most Soul Crushing MMO to be released in the past 10 years!

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  JC-Smith

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8/23/13 11:39:56 PM#41

EQN certainly has drawn a wide range of opinions. My thoughts when I saw the announcements were generally pretty upbeat. Love the sandbox elements and the voxel system. Like that they are trying to get the community involved early on in the project. Not a fan of the graphics style, or the GW2 style limited combat options.

But overall the game has a ton of promise, and it's still early enough in development that players can make their voice be heard. I'm certainly going to give it a whirl when it comes out.

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  7imelord

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Brilliant!

8/23/13 11:41:28 PM#42
Originally posted by Theocritus
I dont listen to a word that Smedley says...he's a glorified salesman and not much else......My hopes for EQN aren't very high.... SOE often promises the world and delivers Little Caesars pizza.....

 

Hey Theocritus, that Little Caesars pan pizza is pretty damn good, however their traditional style pizza has yet to be desired by me 

  jesusjuice69

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8/23/13 11:44:09 PM#43
Originally posted by 7imelord
Originally posted by Theocritus
I dont listen to a word that Smedley says...he's a glorified salesman and not much else......My hopes for EQN aren't very high.... SOE often promises the world and delivers Little Caesars pizza.....

 

Hey Theocritus, that Little Caesars pan pizza is pretty damn good, however their traditional style pizza has yet to be desired by me 

A shitty pizza from the frozen section is nearly $5, so what do you expect lol.

  Sengi

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8/24/13 12:16:48 AM#44
Originally posted by Drakynn

You seem to be late tot he party.

The reason people are cynical about the OP's intent is because everyday since Aug 2nd he's created multiple threads which all boil down to he doesn't like the character art style.He'll add in whatever else he's seen someone else talking about to have an excuse to make a new thread but it always boils down to he graphics and his hatred of them.

This is the first time I remember him posting anything positive about EQN but you can't blame anyone for believing it's just there to give him another excuse to complain about the graphics given his past posts/threads.

Also aside from the graphics and the few skills from 2 classes shown in the tech demo at SOE live there is no basis for any judgement positive or negative.Everything else right now is words and promises.

Well, he wasn't that alone. A good chunk of that was actually me. ;p Although I only made 2 threads about the topic.

  

I haven't read every tread on this forum and I'm certainly not here to defend an other user. I can't say what the OP posted elsewhere. All I can see is that you are probably right, that he tends to overshoot it. His posts are often a bit unfair and too extreme. I just noticed I was not paying attention to the title of the threat. That really could be seen as trolling, and it doesn't even describe what the OP wrote in his initial post.

 

I don't like the graphics, and I believe a good portion of the players think that way. EQN is shooting itself in the foot, by alienating a lot of its player base. This art style will cost SOE customers, and it won't bring then many new ones, because no one actually asked for these graphics. I guess everyone who is pleased with the graphics had no problem with less cartoony ones too. Or did you ever hear someone say: "I always wantet EQN to look like a Disney movie".

 

There are people who defend everything about the game no matter what, even if its so obvious as this Kerra. But the truth has to be told and everyone is allowed to have a opinion.

 

 

  MidniteHowl

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8/24/13 12:36:45 AM#45
Originally posted by BearKnight

 

So what's so amazing?

-Crafting that is trying to copy SWG's amazing system

Did I miss an announcement of the EQN crafting somewhere? Every video or interview I've watched so far only says "we're not talking about crafting yet." So I'm just wondering how there can be any comparison to another games crafting when nothing for EQN's crafting has been revealed yet? I'm serious, did I miss something talking about the crafting? I would love to hear about it. If I did miss something please provide a link that touches on the crafting system.

  Deolus

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8/24/13 1:49:24 AM#46
Originally posted by MidniteHowl
Originally posted by BearKnight

 

So what's so amazing?

-Crafting that is trying to copy SWG's amazing system

Did I miss an announcement of the EQN crafting somewhere? Every video or interview I've watched so far only says "we're not talking about crafting yet." So I'm just wondering how there can be any comparison to another games crafting when nothing for EQN's crafting has been revealed yet? I'm serious, did I miss something talking about the crafting? I would love to hear about it. If I did miss something please provide a link that touches on the crafting system.

I think all we know so far is that items will be composed of various pieces. So for example a sword will probably consist of a blade, handle and some sort of ornamentation.

Also, what the pieces are made out of will have an effect on the overall attributes of the item. For example copper is a good electrical conductor so may be used in a caster wand or focus. However, copper is a soft metal so wouldn't be any good as a blade.

So in effect higher tier items won't necessarily need higher tier materials and the copper you were mining in the starter area will be just as viable for use in whatever you are crafting.

That's about as much as I can recall.

 

  Rydeson

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8/24/13 2:39:35 AM#47

     No , you didn't miss anything..  NOTHING , absolutely nothing has been talked with crafting in EQN, other then "It'll be great".. which is just hype..  I don't see EQN coming even remotely close to what SWG pulled off in crafting..  Now SWG wasn't perfect in my eyes it had some issues that drove me nuts.. BUT... The floating ever changing MAT values were amazing.. I loved how you had to pay attention to the quality of the product and the effect it had on production..   I don't see EQN doing that.. 

     What I would like to see is something similar to the original EQ but better..  Certain leathers for example will give you a certain quality of product.. and EVEN without a family of leather such a bear hide for example.. You may get ruined, fair, good, excellent and pristine.. Each of those again changing the stat of the final product.. Us the same concepts for food and drink as well.. There better be fishing naturally.. Since this is suppose to be a sandbox and there won't be SWG type harvesters, I wouldn't mind seeing something in the form of "farms"..  Lay down a crop, come back a day later and harvest it..

     But, we've heard nothing ..  We could end up with WoW "create all" crafting.. lol

  Deolus

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8/24/13 3:16:31 AM#48
  Xthos

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8/24/13 3:19:01 AM#49

I don't like a lot of what they are doing, but man, crushing a box of Kleenex tissues every day on the forums is not going to make them redesign the game...They may change some small things, but they are not going to scrap the game and start over.

 

The most you might get is some model touch ups, and such, but the major things are staying, good or bad.  I don't like the weapon tied skills, gw2 combat, gfx aren't my thing...and I voice it, but their is a couple people on a crusade, you guys are going so overboard, people are just probably going to ignore you for the most part, since every thread is the sky has fallen.

 

Maybe if you guys pick a few smaller things and focus, but to basically boycott the whole game and rail against about every aspect, your spread yourselves out too much imo. 

  Allein

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8/24/13 3:27:01 AM#50
Originally posted by BearKnight

So what's so absolutely frustrating that are potentially deal-breakers for such an amazing game??

-Graphics aimed at Children, think WoW 2.0 

At the end of the day, the game is unplayable with their current WoW 2.0 Cartoon art-style, but is one of the more future-oriented core mechanics games we've seen since SWG/DAOC. Truly a frustrating event :(!!! 

Can you show me some games geared towards adults that aren't found on 18+ websites?

I'm in my 30's and think EQN looks great. Also thought SWG, DAoC, EQ, WoW, etc looked great. All were stylized in their own way and had wide appeal to many types of players of all ages, genders, backgrounds. Games like AoC & ESO cater more to the 15-35 year old male metal listening demographic and suffer because of that (although I'm sure plenty of Skyrim/ES fans will play for a bit).

I know some want Black Desert/Bless type graphics, but until I see them running on something resembling a typical gaming PC with actual in-game footage, not a bunch of perfect scenes slapped together, I'll just keep thinking those games are a long way off in vaporland.

If you can't get past the graphics, no amount of gameplay is going to make up for it. If what you see on screen makes you want to punch the screen, you won't have a very enjoyable experience. My suggestion is wait until they actual reveal the majority of the game before letting your soul get crushed. Maybe a scantily clad dark elf necro doing something "evil" will change your mind...

  Allein

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8/24/13 3:34:39 AM#51
Originally posted by Xthos

I don't like a lot of what they are doing, but man, crushing a box of Kleenex tissues every day on the forums is not going to make them redesign the game...They may change some small things, but they are not going to scrap the game and start over.

The most you might get is some model touch ups, and such, but the major things are staying, good or bad.  I don't like the weapon tied skills, gw2 combat, gfx aren't my thing...and I voice it, but their is a couple people on a crusade, you guys are going so overboard, people are just probably going to ignore you for the most part, since every thread is the sky has fallen.

Maybe if you guys pick a few smaller things and focus, but to basically boycott the whole game and rail against about every aspect, your spread yourselves out too much imo. 

While these threads are becoming more and more boring and pointless, they at least add a little drama to an otherwise very uneventful wait. I tried to start topics that are more positive, but I come up short because it is basically preaching to the choir.

Where as the negative nancys are trying their best to get people to come over to the tissue side.

Reddit at least has SOE response. A few of the most active crusaders should probably try their speil over there, especially since down voting is off for now...

  itchmon

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8/24/13 5:29:07 AM#52

the OP (AGAIN) is saying something along the lines of:

 

"the 2015 subaru impreza is not worth driving"

 

and then listing a bunch of random stuff.  Random, because there is absolutely no way to corroborate the above statement.

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  Rydeson

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8/24/13 6:37:07 AM#53
Originally posted by Allein

While these threads are becoming more and more boring and pointless, they at least add a little drama to an otherwise very uneventful wait. I tried to start topics that are more positive, but I come up short because it is basically preaching to the choir.

     This is the part that caught my eye, and who do we have to blame for that?  SOE..  For over a year, after 2 reboots, SOE promised to debut EQ Next as the annual show..  It is all we heard for months was "not at this time, wait for SOE Live.. Well Live came and gone and we still weren't told anything.. Smed even promised a working demo version at the show.. (which never happened)..  What real INTEL are we told about this super fantastic game?

  • Class Details?
  • Race Details?
  • Starting Cities?
  • Crafting Details?
  • PvP Details?
     The areas of a game that would be the FIRST things you would have to hash out, they are unable and unwilling to talk about at this time..... REALLY?  REALLY?  Even the 1948 Tucker was real and working.. Companies need to stop hyping and making false promises and start producing..  It is our duty as a potential customer to remind companies who pays their salaries and WHO is in control.. Just like politicians.. LOL
  Vorch

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8/24/13 6:40:34 AM#54
Your cons are the reasons I'm gonna play EQN along side GW2.

"As you read these words, a release is seven days or less away or has just happened within the last seven days— those are now the only two states you’ll find the world of Tyria."...Guild Wars 2

  Zorgo

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Who did wrong? The advertiser hired to sell the game or the consumer who put faith in advertising?

8/24/13 8:02:59 AM#55
Originally posted by 7imelord
Originally posted by Zorgo
Originally posted by BearKnight
Originally posted by Zorgo

In what way is this any different than any other thread you've written.

BearKnight hates EQN. We get it....what is your objective?

You keep coming into the bar and screaming how much you hate beer. I don't know what to do with this info.....you want me to hate it too?

Sorry you were let down. Time to move on, buddy.

 

This is a forum, and more to the point your opinion is no better or worse than mine. I'm allowed to share my opinion just as you are. 

 

If you don't like what I have to say then don't post.

 

Furthermore, I do not HATE EQ:N, I hate the lead director for yet again trying to Mainstream EQ. Look what happened to EQ2! It's the same blasted thing happening again. 

 

I'd rather say something, and try, than give up and walk away.

What do you hope to achieve?

 

Well that's easy answer, it's called awareness.

I too am disappointed in some features that EQN will have, however my personal hype on this game has gone from 10 to 5 and still dropping. The game looks to be very simple base to draw in more of the instant gratification crowd and this is not what I look for in a mmorpg, we already got way too many of the same ole same ole or a one trick pony mmo.

Once I heard a possible port to console, well we know where this game is going. Yeah it may be fun for the majority looking for another easy mmo to play, but I will look into this game when it releases and see if anything has changed from now.

So we need an internet campaign to create awareness that EQN has a cartoon art style? 

Priorities well placed.

 

  AwDiddums

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8/24/13 8:16:23 AM#56
Originally posted by BearKnight
Originally posted by Zorgo

In what way is this any different than any other thread you've written.

BearKnight hates EQN. We get it....what is your objective?

You keep coming into the bar and screaming how much you hate beer. I don't know what to do with this info.....you want me to hate it too?

Sorry you were let down. Time to move on, buddy.

 

This is a forum, and more to the point your opinion is no better or worse than mine. I'm allowed to share my opinion just as you are. 

 

If you don't like what I have to say then don't post.

 

Furthermore, I do not HATE EQ:N, I hate the lead director for yet again trying to Mainstream EQ. Look what happened to EQ2! It's the same blasted thing happening again. 

 

I'd rather say something, and try, than give up and walk away.


You hate Smedley!! an immature over-reaction don't you think, I could understand that kind of response from a child as they have yet to figure out their priorities in life and understand how the world works in general, hate as a child is easy to throw around, but as an adult you don't hate a person because they make a gaming design decision you don't agree with.

If you wish to be taken seriously by other adults then perhaps come out with a more balanced argument, and don't keep banging on with the same message all the time, at least come out with something a little more objective and to the point.

  Nadia

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8/24/13 8:22:10 AM#57
Originally posted by Zorgo
Originally posted by 7imelord

Once I heard a possible port to console, well we know where this game is going. Yeah it may be fun for the majority looking for another easy mmo to play, but I will look into this game when it releases and see if anything has changed from now.

So we need an internet campaign to create awareness that EQN has a cartoon art style? 

Priorities well placed.

bring on the publicity!

 

regarding console,

SOE announced 6 years ago that all their future mmos will be console friendly

 

SOE: All our MMOs in development have a console component
http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2007/08/09/soe-all-our-mmos-in-development-have-a-console-component/

 

Free Realms is not  a console mmo -- even tho it was announced for consoles

the PC version launched first,  with a console version 2 years later

 

Planetside 2 is still a PC only game

with a console version planned

  Telondariel

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8/24/13 11:02:11 AM#58
Originally posted by BearKnight
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At the end of the day, the game is unplayable with their current WoW 2.0 Cartoon art-style, but is one of the more future-oriented core mechanics games we've seen since SWG/DAOC. Truly a frustrating event :(!!! 

I highlighted your TL;DR.  It's the same as all your other threads, so maybe just copy paste that next time.

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In other news, looking forward to PAX in a couple of days.  Hopefully there will be more tidbits.

  Rydeson

Hard Core Member

Joined: 3/05/07
Posts: 3112

8/24/13 11:50:16 AM#59
     I demand more then vague tidbits if SOE wants good hype from PAX.. LOL  However, I think we are going to get the same repeat we got twice already..  4 Pillars > blah blah blah > "we aren't ready to talk about that yet, but we like the way it looks".. = asleep..  I bet we see the same old boring tech demo fights.. lol
  Iselin

The Listener

Joined: 3/04/08
Posts: 3524

8/24/13 1:08:44 PM#60

Here's my take on "soul crushing"

SOE announces that they've gone back to the drawing board with the next EQ title and are developing some new revolutionary ideas never before seen in MMOs...and they use the "S" word.

The lonely little EQ forum at mmorpg.com explodes with interest and speculation. First a new forum gets created off the EQ main forum...later on it becomes a separate forum.

Former and current EQ I and II players start coming out of the woodwork. They take pride in their knowledge about the IP and their fantasies are mostly projections of those things about EQ they remember fondly. They loudly shoot-down anyone who speculates about new things that are not "true to the IP."

The game finally gets revealed and, surprise, it really is new and very, very different.

All of a sudden, prior membership in the exclusive EQ club is not all that relevant.

Much garment rending, hair pulling and general angst ensues.

Meanwhile, back in the land of the non-committed casual observer, general glee and excitement ensues. This group is overwhelmingly positive about the news. This annoys the crap out of the "old faithfull." Some even describe it in true 19th century operatic fashion as having their "soul crushed."

 I might be wrong, but that's how I'm seeing it.

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