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  drivendawn

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OP  8/22/13 7:44:58 AM#1
  Torcip

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8/22/13 7:54:13 AM#2
I thought primals were the traditional summons from previous games. Was Behemoth a traditional summon, I'm pretty sure he was always just an enemy. Ah well, he's still badass and looks like a challenge.
  twrule

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8/22/13 2:18:08 PM#3
Pretty sure he was always just an enemy, but maybe they consider him a primal in this game.
  Sephiroso

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8/22/13 2:21:37 PM#4

primals are primals. they're not merely summons or merely enemies. in ffxi and in fact MANY ff games previous, a summoner would come across a primal, best it in combat, and then be able to summon it. behemoth was often used as a summon that summoners could summon, most often at end-game level.

 

in the online games however certain summons were deigned 'elder primal' and as such would obviously be to powerful in a player character's hands(also doesn't make much sense since there can only be 1 in existence) so they're relegated to raid boss-status.

 

its honestly a shame ffxiv is hand holding so damn much. i loved that feature of summoners in ffxi. you had to traverse the world and beat the summons to be able to have the right to summon them in combat. now you just level up and automatically get a carbuncle(are there even any different summons or is it just multi-color carbuncles) and thats all she wrote...


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  Roin

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8/22/13 2:30:27 PM#5
Originally posted by Sephiroso

primals are primals. they're not merely summons or merely enemies. in ffxi and in fact MANY ff games previous, a summoner would come across a primal, best it in combat, and then be able to summon it. behemoth was often used as a summon that summoners could summon, most often at end-game level.

 

in the online games however certain summons were deigned 'elder primal' and as such would obviously be to powerful in a player character's hands(also doesn't make much sense since there can only be 1 in existence) so they're relegated to raid boss-status.

 

its honestly a shame ffxiv is hand holding so damn much. i loved that feature of summoners in ffxi. you had to traverse the world and beat the summons to be able to have the right to summon them in combat. now you just level up and automatically get a carbuncle(are there even any different summons or is it just multi-color carbuncles) and thats all she wrote...

It's not really hand holding. You are trying to imprint one game worlds rules on another. I love FFXI as much as anyone. There are plenty of things I would love to see from FFXI in FFXIV. But honestly at this point. I'd rather FFXIV just be FFXIV, and not FFXI wrapped in FFXIV.

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  Gormogon

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8/22/13 2:33:45 PM#6

Rundown of Behemoth(s) appearing in Final Fantasy games here:

 

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Behemoth

  Torcip

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8/22/13 2:34:28 PM#7
Originally posted by Sephiroso

primals are primals. they're not merely summons or merely enemies. in ffxi and in fact MANY ff games previous, a summoner would come across a primal, best it in combat, and then be able to summon it. behemoth was often used as a summon that summoners could summon, most often at end-game level.

 

in the online games however certain summons were deigned 'elder primal' and as such would obviously be to powerful in a player character's hands(also doesn't make much sense since there can only be 1 in existence) so they're relegated to raid boss-status.

 

its honestly a shame ffxiv is hand holding so damn much. i loved that feature of summoners in ffxi. you had to traverse the world and beat the summons to be able to have the right to summon them in combat. now you just level up and automatically get a carbuncle(are there even any different summons or is it just multi-color carbuncles) and thats all she wrote...

Summoners get different summons, but only aspects.  The actual primal summons are supposed to be reserved for free companies who managed to kill it, not sure really how ti works but I know Summoners don't actually summon primals.

Besides, the carbuncle was a default summon obtained when getting summoner job, so it's no different there.  And also, we have no idea how Summoners get their new summons. They could have to do quests just like how Arcanists have to do a quest to get their topaz carbuncle. And Behemoth was never a summon in FFXI, unless it happened after I knew about it.

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Summoner

  twrule

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8/22/13 2:39:12 PM#8
Originally posted by Sephiroso

primals are primals. they're not merely summons or merely enemies. in ffxi and in fact MANY ff games previous, a summoner would come across a primal, best it in combat, and then be able to summon it. behemoth was often used as a summon that summoners could summon, most often at end-game level.

 Pretty sure XIV is the first time the title 'primals' has been used for them, unless I missed something from an earlier game...and I've never seen Behemoth as a summon in any previous FF game, certainly not in FFXI, so I am not sure what you're talking about here...

Apparently the only time he appears as a summon was in the Crystal Chronicles spin-off series. 

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Behemoth

in the online games however certain summons were deigned 'elder primal' and as such would obviously be to powerful in a player character's hands(also doesn't make much sense since there can only be 1 in existence) so they're relegated to raid boss-status.

In FFXI they were called 'Avatars' - elder primal is a new designation and so far only applies to Bahamut and I believe Midgardsormer. There can only be one of any primal in existence at a time, not just the elder primals, but as far as I can see there is nothing stopping the elder primals from regenerating if they are offered enough aether, just like the lesser primals do. 

its honestly a shame ffxiv is hand holding so damn much. i loved that feature of summoners in ffxi. you had to traverse the world and beat the summons to be able to have the right to summon them in combat. now you just level up and automatically get a carbuncle(are there even any different summons or is it just multi-color carbuncles) and thats all she wrote...

Lol what are you talking about - you got Carbuncle automatically as a level 1 summoner in FFXI; bad example. But yes, as far as I know you get 'EGI' of the other summons if you are a summoner (kind of like shadows of Ifrit or what not) by leveling up and some of them (or all of them, not sure) via class quests. So it's really not that different, you just can't go around getting them all at level 1, and the quests are probably less tedious. Scholar gets a fairy summon.

 

  Sephiroso

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8/22/13 2:41:18 PM#9
Originally posted by Roin
Originally posted by Sephiroso

primals are primals. they're not merely summons or merely enemies. in ffxi and in fact MANY ff games previous, a summoner would come across a primal, best it in combat, and then be able to summon it. behemoth was often used as a summon that summoners could summon, most often at end-game level.

 

in the online games however certain summons were deigned 'elder primal' and as such would obviously be to powerful in a player character's hands(also doesn't make much sense since there can only be 1 in existence) so they're relegated to raid boss-status.

 

its honestly a shame ffxiv is hand holding so damn much. i loved that feature of summoners in ffxi. you had to traverse the world and beat the summons to be able to have the right to summon them in combat. now you just level up and automatically get a carbuncle(are there even any different summons or is it just multi-color carbuncles) and thats all she wrote...

It's not really hand holding. You are trying to imprint one game worlds rules on another. I love FFXI as much as anyone. There are plenty of things I would love to see from FFXI in FFXIV. But honestly at this point. I'd rather FFXIV just be FFXIV, and not FFXI wrapped in FFXIV.

look im not bashing ffxiv but to say its not handholding is just being ignorant. it is handholding. go back and play through any final fantasy game, the majority if not ALL final fantasy games, the summoner class had to best their summons in combat before they were allowed to summon them. it makes sense from a lore/gameplay wise aspect as well which is just a bonus.

 

Final Fantasy 10 - Yuna had to go to the temples and fight the summons before she could summon them.

 

Final Fantasy 9 - You had to go around and beat the summons before you could summon them.

 

Final Fantasy 11- Summoners had to go around and through a quest also beat their summons to be able to summon them.

 

Pretty much every FF game you had to go through this process. This is a Final Fantasy game so please don't give me that line about "you're trying to imprint another game worlds' rules onto FFXIV. It's the same series, the same general feel. The only thing thats differen't is this latest iteration is strong with needless hand holding. I'm not saying im not gonna play it, cause i am, but to say it isn't hand holding is to be ignorant.


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  twrule

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8/22/13 2:47:15 PM#10
Originally posted by Sephiroso
 The only thing thats differen't is this latest iteration is strong with needless hand holding. I'm not saying im not gonna play it, cause i am, but to say it isn't hand holding is to be ignorant.

Firstly, you don't get to summon the original 'primals' or whatever you want to call them, in this game, where as in the previous games you did, you only get to summon aspects of them.

Secondly, no one says there won't be class quests to unlock most of them.

Thirdly, your personal evaluation is not fact and therefore to disagree with it is not 'ignorance'.

  Sephiroso

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8/22/13 2:48:36 PM#11
Originally posted by twrule
Originally posted by Sephiroso

primals are primals. they're not merely summons or merely enemies. in ffxi and in fact MANY ff games previous, a summoner would come across a primal, best it in combat, and then be able to summon it. behemoth was often used as a summon that summoners could summon, most often at end-game level.

 Pretty sure XIV is the first time the title 'primals' has been used for them, unless I missed something from an earlier game...and I've never seen Behemoth as a summon in any previous FF game, certainly not in FFXI, so I am not sure what you're talking about here...

Apparently the only time he appears as a summon was in the Crystal Chronicles spin-off series. 

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Behemoth

in the online games however certain summons were deigned 'elder primal' and as such would obviously be to powerful in a player character's hands(also doesn't make much sense since there can only be 1 in existence) so they're relegated to raid boss-status.

In FFXI they were called 'Avatars' - elder primal is a new designation and so far only applies to Bahamut and I believe Midgardsormer. There can only be one of any primal in existence at a time, not just the elder primals, but as far as I can see there is nothing stopping the elder primals from regenerating if they are offered enough aether, just like the lesser primals do. 

its honestly a shame ffxiv is hand holding so damn much. i loved that feature of summoners in ffxi. you had to traverse the world and beat the summons to be able to have the right to summon them in combat. now you just level up and automatically get a carbuncle(are there even any different summons or is it just multi-color carbuncles) and thats all she wrote...

Lol what are you talking about - you got Carbuncle automatically as a level 1 summoner in FFXI; bad example. But yes, as far as I know you get 'EGI' of the other summons if you are a summoner (kind of like shadows of Ifrit or what not) by leveling up and some of them (or all of them, not sure) via class quests. So it's really not that different, you just can't go around getting them all at level 1, and the quests are probably less tedious. Scholar gets a fairy summon.

 

I don't really care if FFXIV is the first time they've called summons primals. Whether is primals, espers, summons, we all know what the fuck it is we're talking about, and that's the pets that a summoner uses to do battle with. HOWEVER, i actually just realized i've been confusing Behemoth with Bahamut, i apologize.

 

Also yes, summoners got a carbuncle at level 1, so what? they have to start with something. That's understandable. But for every other summon that a summoner used in FFXI, they had to do battle with the summons in order to control/use them. Every single other FF game(at least every single one that i've played) you had to go through this process to collect a summoner's summons. But not in FFXIV.


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  Sephiroso

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8/22/13 2:55:01 PM#12
Originally posted by twrule
Originally posted by Sephiroso
 The only thing thats differen't is this latest iteration is strong with needless hand holding. I'm not saying im not gonna play it, cause i am, but to say it isn't hand holding is to be ignorant.

Firstly, you don't get to summon the original 'primals' or whatever you want to call them, in this game, where as in the previous games you did, you only get to summon aspects of them.

Secondly, no one says there won't be class quests to unlock most of them.

Thirdly, your personal evaluation is not fact and therefore to disagree with it is not 'ignorance'.

I never said anything about you summoning the 'original primals' in this game. I was saying you could in previous games(i was referencing the single player games for the most part cause in those games...its a single player game so it makes sense) it doesn't however make sense that every single player character can go around summoning Bahamut or Ifrit etc thus the avatars which aren't anywhere near as powerful as the actual Ifrit/Shiva/etc in FFXI.

 

Yea, i get there will be class quests, but you miss my major point in that you don't do battle with the summons to gain mastery/control over them like you have in pretty much every previous iteration of final fantasy summoner class had to do.

 

whether you want to be willfully ignorant is your own perogative, this game has plenty of hand holding, not limited to the summoner's just getting summons handed to them, and the soul crystal feature of the advanced 'jobs'


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  Torcip

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8/22/13 2:55:13 PM#13
Originally posted by Sephiroso

I don't really care if FFXIV is the first time they've called summons primals. Whether is primals, espers, summons, we all know what the fuck it is we're talking about, and that's the pets that a summoner uses to do battle with. HOWEVER, i actually just realized i've been confusing Behemoth with Bahamut, i apologize.

 

Also yes, summoners got a carbuncle at level 1, so what? they have to start with something. That's understandable. But for every other summon that a summoner used in FFXI, they had to do battle with the summons in order to control/use them. Every single other FF game(at least every single one that i've played) you had to go through this process to collect a summoner's summons. But not in FFXIV.

Summoners do not summon primals in FFXIV, they summon Egis. It is currently unknown how summoners get Egis but if I were to guess they would be through quests just like FFXI where you have to fight a 4 man version of the primal. Primals in FFXIV have been said to be summonable by a free company after having defeated it. So what you are saying is incorrect as far as we know, stop being difficult. 

You've managed to derail this thread from the lore of primals to how the game personally dissappoints you, please stop.

  Sephiroso

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8/22/13 2:57:10 PM#14
Originally posted by Torcip
Originally posted by Sephiroso

I don't really care if FFXIV is the first time they've called summons primals. Whether is primals, espers, summons, we all know what the fuck it is we're talking about, and that's the pets that a summoner uses to do battle with. HOWEVER, i actually just realized i've been confusing Behemoth with Bahamut, i apologize.

 

Also yes, summoners got a carbuncle at level 1, so what? they have to start with something. That's understandable. But for every other summon that a summoner used in FFXI, they had to do battle with the summons in order to control/use them. Every single other FF game(at least every single one that i've played) you had to go through this process to collect a summoner's summons. But not in FFXIV.

Summoners do not summon primals in FFXIV, they summon Egis. It is currently unknown how summoners get Egis but if I were to guess they would be through quests just like FFXI where you have to fight a 4 man version of the primal. Primals in FFXIV have been said to be summonable by a free company after having defeated it. So what you are saying is incorrect as far as we know, stop being difficult.

ok, so i used the politically incorrect term for summons in FFXIV. just replace where i said summoners summoning primals with the word Egis and there you go.


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  Torcip

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8/22/13 2:58:09 PM#15
Originally posted by Sephiroso
Originally posted by Torcip
Originally posted by Sephiroso

I don't really care if FFXIV is the first time they've called summons primals. Whether is primals, espers, summons, we all know what the fuck it is we're talking about, and that's the pets that a summoner uses to do battle with. HOWEVER, i actually just realized i've been confusing Behemoth with Bahamut, i apologize.

 

Also yes, summoners got a carbuncle at level 1, so what? they have to start with something. That's understandable. But for every other summon that a summoner used in FFXI, they had to do battle with the summons in order to control/use them. Every single other FF game(at least every single one that i've played) you had to go through this process to collect a summoner's summons. But not in FFXIV.

Summoners do not summon primals in FFXIV, they summon Egis. It is currently unknown how summoners get Egis but if I were to guess they would be through quests just like FFXI where you have to fight a 4 man version of the primal. Primals in FFXIV have been said to be summonable by a free company after having defeated it. So what you are saying is incorrect as far as we know, stop being difficult.

ok, so i used the politically incorrect term for summons in FFXIV. just replace where i said summoners summoning primals with the word Egis and there you go.

No because that's incorrect, Egis are just representations of the primals. The primals are still summonable by free companies, from what we've been told.

  twrule

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8/22/13 3:00:45 PM#16
Originally posted by Sephiroso
Originally posted by Torcip
Originally posted by Sephiroso

I don't really care if FFXIV is the first time they've called summons primals. Whether is primals, espers, summons, we all know what the fuck it is we're talking about, and that's the pets that a summoner uses to do battle with. HOWEVER, i actually just realized i've been confusing Behemoth with Bahamut, i apologize.

 

Also yes, summoners got a carbuncle at level 1, so what? they have to start with something. That's understandable. But for every other summon that a summoner used in FFXI, they had to do battle with the summons in order to control/use them. Every single other FF game(at least every single one that i've played) you had to go through this process to collect a summoner's summons. But not in FFXIV.

Summoners do not summon primals in FFXIV, they summon Egis. It is currently unknown how summoners get Egis but if I were to guess they would be through quests just like FFXI where you have to fight a 4 man version of the primal. Primals in FFXIV have been said to be summonable by a free company after having defeated it. So what you are saying is incorrect as far as we know, stop being difficult.

ok, so i used the politically incorrect term for summons in FFXIV. just replace where i said summoners summoning primals with the word Egis and there you go.

No, they are completely different types of beings, not just in name - that's what we've been trying to tell you.

And we don't know whether we will have to fight the EGI's to gain control over them, so stop using that as a point against the game.

  Sephiroso

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8/22/13 3:01:25 PM#17
Originally posted by Torcip
Originally posted by Sephiroso
Originally posted by Torcip
Originally posted by Sephiroso

I don't really care if FFXIV is the first time they've called summons primals. Whether is primals, espers, summons, we all know what the fuck it is we're talking about, and that's the pets that a summoner uses to do battle with. HOWEVER, i actually just realized i've been confusing Behemoth with Bahamut, i apologize.

 

Also yes, summoners got a carbuncle at level 1, so what? they have to start with something. That's understandable. But for every other summon that a summoner used in FFXI, they had to do battle with the summons in order to control/use them. Every single other FF game(at least every single one that i've played) you had to go through this process to collect a summoner's summons. But not in FFXIV.

Summoners do not summon primals in FFXIV, they summon Egis. It is currently unknown how summoners get Egis but if I were to guess they would be through quests just like FFXI where you have to fight a 4 man version of the primal. Primals in FFXIV have been said to be summonable by a free company after having defeated it. So what you are saying is incorrect as far as we know, stop being difficult.

ok, so i used the politically incorrect term for summons in FFXIV. just replace where i said summoners summoning primals with the word Egis and there you go.

No because that's incorrect, Egis are just representations of the primals. The primals are still summonable by free companies, from what we've been told.

you're still missing the entire point of my post in the first place. and that's the hand holding that ffxiv has going on. nothing to do with if we can summon the actual primals or not


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  Torcip

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8/22/13 3:05:38 PM#18
Originally posted by Sephiroso
Originally posted by Torcip
Originally posted by Sephiroso
Originally posted by Torcip
Originally posted by Sephiroso

I don't really care if FFXIV is the first time they've called summons primals. Whether is primals, espers, summons, we all know what the fuck it is we're talking about, and that's the pets that a summoner uses to do battle with. HOWEVER, i actually just realized i've been confusing Behemoth with Bahamut, i apologize.

 

Also yes, summoners got a carbuncle at level 1, so what? they have to start with something. That's understandable. But for every other summon that a summoner used in FFXI, they had to do battle with the summons in order to control/use them. Every single other FF game(at least every single one that i've played) you had to go through this process to collect a summoner's summons. But not in FFXIV.

Summoners do not summon primals in FFXIV, they summon Egis. It is currently unknown how summoners get Egis but if I were to guess they would be through quests just like FFXI where you have to fight a 4 man version of the primal. Primals in FFXIV have been said to be summonable by a free company after having defeated it. So what you are saying is incorrect as far as we know, stop being difficult.

ok, so i used the politically incorrect term for summons in FFXIV. just replace where i said summoners summoning primals with the word Egis and there you go.

No because that's incorrect, Egis are just representations of the primals. The primals are still summonable by free companies, from what we've been told.

you're still missing the entire point of my post in the first place. and that's the hand holding that ffxiv has going on. nothing to do with if we can summon the actual primals or not

You're post was about hand holding due to being just given summons as you level.  We've told you that that is incorrect, we do not know how Summoners get their egis, and we do know that when primals can be summoned they must be defeated by a guild.  If that was what your post was not about then correct me because that's what we have been arguing.

If you have another reason for saying FFXIV has hand holding, put it in a different thread, this one is about primals.

  twrule

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8/22/13 3:05:49 PM#19
Originally posted by Sephiroso

you're still missing the entire point of my post in the first place. and that's the hand holding that ffxiv has going on. nothing to do with if we can summon the actual primals or not

So you don't actually want to talk about the primals at all, you just want to bash the game for perceived 'hand-holding'. Start a new thread if you must, this is not relevant to the topic of this thread.

  Sephiroso

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8/22/13 9:37:22 PM#20

Originally posted by Torcip

Originally posted by Sephiroso
Originally posted by Torcip
Originally posted by Sephiroso
Originally posted by Torcip
Originally posted by Sephiroso

I don't really care if FFXIV is the first time they've called summons primals. Whether is primals, espers, summons, we all know what the fuck it is we're talking about, and that's the pets that a summoner uses to do battle with. HOWEVER, i actually just realized i've been confusing Behemoth with Bahamut, i apologize.

 

Also yes, summoners got a carbuncle at level 1, so what? they have to start with something. That's understandable. But for every other summon that a summoner used in FFXI, they had to do battle with the summons in order to control/use them. Every single other FF game(at least every single one that i've played) you had to go through this process to collect a summoner's summons. But not in FFXIV.

Summoners do not summon primals in FFXIV, they summon Egis. It is currently unknown how summoners get Egis but if I were to guess they would be through quests just like FFXI where you have to fight a 4 man version of the primal. Primals in FFXIV have been said to be summonable by a free company after having defeated it. So what you are saying is incorrect as far as we know, stop being difficult.

ok, so i used the politically incorrect term for summons in FFXIV. just replace where i said summoners summoning primals with the word Egis and there you go.

No because that's incorrect, Egis are just representations of the primals. The primals are still summonable by free companies, from what we've been told.

you're still missing the entire point of my post in the first place. and that's the hand holding that ffxiv has going on. nothing to do with if we can summon the actual primals or not

You're post was about hand holding due to being just given summons as you level.  We've told you that that is incorrect, we do not know how Summoners get their egis, and we do know that when primals can be summoned they must be defeated by a guild.  If that was what your post was not about then correct me because that's what we have been arguing.

If you have another reason for saying FFXIV has hand holding, put it in a different thread, this one is about primals.

how is it incorrect to say that arcanists are given their summons as we level? all we do is an easy class quest(that every single class has to do their own unique class quest) and you get rewarded with summon just like you get rewarded with some every other quest reward.

 

go back to ffxi and any other final fantasy game and you see the mechanic when you have summoners, they have to defeat the summons before they're able to summon it. that's as true to the final fantasy world as it is Fire, Fira, and Firaga spells or Whitemage/Blackmage/etcetc classes.

 

Initially i misused the word primals. In my mind it was as such, Primals = Summons. Elder primals = things like Ifrit where you obviously wouldn't have every single player character who was an arcanist able to summon such beings cause that would be stupid. Lesser primals = things like Carbuncle. In reality, Primals = things like Ifrit, and Egis = things like Carbuncle. I get that Free Companies will be able to defeat/summon the elder primals but that wasn't even the gist of my main point. It was my fault for not getting that through correctly from the beginning.

Originally posted by twrule

Originally posted by Sephiroso

you're still missing the entire point of my post in the first place. and that's the hand holding that ffxiv has going on. nothing to do with if we can summon the actual primals or not

So you don't actually want to talk about the primals at all, you just want to bash the game for perceived 'hand-holding'. Start a new thread if you must, this is not relevant to the topic of this thread.


Re-read my first post. I'm not bashing the game. The game is hand-holding whether you want to call it that or not. My point had everything to do with the summons in the game thus i posted here, it was just my misunderstanding in calling carbuncle a primal(in my mind i viewd summons like carbuncle as lesser primals, and boss-greater summons like ifrit as elder primals.)


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