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General Discussion  » Stop complaining about the gameplay.. This is what we asked for.

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  GeezerGamer

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8/20/13 1:03:37 PM#61
Originally posted by Rohn
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by gessekai332
again with the wow clone stuff. its like saying call of duty is a doom clone or mortal kombat was a street fighter clone. cant we just say its more like a classic mmorpg? 

It follows that "classic" format, but it's no clone. 

 

Semantics.  If that's so, then every themepark that's ever been accused of being a "WoW-clone" has actually had a "classic" format.

FFXIV is just as much a WoW-clone as any of them.

UO, EQ1, DAOC, AC - those were the classic format.

FFXIV, with quest-helper, fast travel all over the place, cut-up gameworld with tiny zones, etc, isn't "classic" by any stretch of the imagination, no matter how fast and loose people want to play with the language.  It's an easy-mode, post-WoW themepark, just like most games that have come out in the last decade.  It offers the same gameplay in largely the exact same way.

It's an easy game, and one I've already played a dozen times over the last several years.  It's more of the same.

It shares some fundamental similarities, but it's different enough in my book to distinguish it from a game like Rift that is more of a clone. Just the fact that there hasn't been a crafting system this comprehensive since SWG is enough to break it away from being a clone.

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  wowclonez

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8/20/13 7:08:30 PM#62
lol at threads like this "stop expressing you opinion". fanboism cannot stop people from not liking a game. it just isn't for everyone, we will have to except that. nothing wrong with not liking the game or being disappointed in specific things, no game is perfect.
  elocke

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8/20/13 7:15:20 PM#63
Originally posted by Rohn

I don't recall asking for yet another "more of the same" game.  We've had literally dozens and dozens of them come out over the last decade.  Enough is enough.

In fact, what most people, myself included, have been asking for is something different - an actual change in the genre.

There's no sense in leaving a standard themepark, in which a player may have years of equity built, just to play the same game with a different title.  And that's what  FFXIV is, a standard, run-of-the-mill themepark.  I've already played it, a dozen times over.

Actually, I don't think you have, because I haven't.  Not since FFXI.  I've played and enjoyed WoW, Lotro, Rift, GW2, EQ2 and a few others but NONE of them gave me the layered content and immersion and awesome quality of gaming FFXI gave me until now.  FFXIV:ARR has managed to bring back that which I love about the genre. 

Sure, many gamers want something different or new, and that's fine, those games are coming(EQN).  But don't think that you are a majority opinion, as I am not a majority opinion.  We are just looking for something different in our MMOs.  I'll be happy playing FFXIV:ARR while you go be hopefully happy with EQN and other games attempting to be "different".

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  Redemp

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8/20/13 7:58:04 PM#64
 Perhaps I didn't get far enough into the game, only being a level 17 Lancer, but I never once felt like I was playing anything that resembled WoW. Has WoW changed that much, or was my experience completely different from others? /shrug .. it was Final Fantasy to me.
  User Deleted
8/20/13 8:14:43 PM#65
The game has many good points, unfortunately the combat is a deal breaker for me. It isn't even just because it is tab target hotbar... EQ2, WoW and even Rift manage to have more interesting combat. But all the best to those who have found a new home.
  Wizardry

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8/20/13 8:24:09 PM#66

I agree OP this is what everyone was crying for.I personally did not.I cannot be overly critical because i still have FFXI to play.

However ever since i started in FFXI waaaaaay  back when,i was dreaming of a newer spiffy version.They had already announced a new game engine and a possible new game very early on,so it was a long wait for me.

The problem with every single developer in this day n age is MONEY.There is far too much risk for all developers,so they are very hesitant to go the whole nine yards,hence rushed games or shallow games.

Devs have no choice if they want to stay in business,buckle up and try to work the PR and advertising teams.That is why i commend Sqaure Enix,you really don't hear a lot of BS from them.They give you videos to watch and go to events and show you their work,not often if ever do you hear them bragging or telling YOU that the game is the best thing since sliced cheese.

The way Square works is they show you what they have and let you decide,they don't put words in your mouth or feed you crap about how they made the game for you and everything you do is game changing.They; keep everything honest and on the up n up and i really appreciate that.

A bad PR team/developer can really make a game a lot worse,i HATE bragging of any kind.I don't think there is any surprise at all that Square is the ONLY developer with no hidden strings attached,NO CASH shop,a straight up fee,you know what you get each time you login.

 

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  time007

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8/20/13 9:05:45 PM#67

I find it funny the OP is indirectly making fun of the game by calling it a wow clone (again, indirectly) so I'm sure he could re-post if needed and say "I never actually said it was a wow-clone". another poster said never for one second did he feel like he was in wow.  And I feel the same way.  I didn't feel for a second I was in wow.  wow is a cartoon.  FFXIV really stuck to its rpg roots in its look and gameplay.  I mean its basically final fantasy and its online.  that's fine enough for me.  Im willing to sub for this if the quality of the content stays good which I think it will. 

 

I think we got a ton of complaints about gameplay when free opened up, and now those comments have sort of died down and those threads are being archived.  I think the gameplay is great and I look forwarding to seeing you guys in-game.

 

This game isn't a wow clone, its a final fantasy clone.  final fantasy is older than wow.  warhammer is older than wow. wow races, classes, and lore and the overall look of wow ganked everything from the warhammer universe.  when I first played wow, I thought I was in a warhammer fantasy novel.

  Shelvinarr

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8/20/13 10:47:47 PM#68
Originally posted by time007

I find it funny the OP is indirectly making fun of the game by calling it a wow clone (again, indirectly) so I'm sure he could re-post if needed and say "I never actually said it was a wow-clone". another poster said never for one second did he feel like he was in wow.  And I feel the same way.  I didn't feel for a second I was in wow.  wow is a cartoon.  FFXIV really stuck to its rpg roots in its look and gameplay.  I mean its basically final fantasy and its online.  that's fine enough for me.  Im willing to sub for this if the quality of the content stays good which I think it will. 

 

I think we got a ton of complaints about gameplay when free opened up, and now those comments have sort of died down and those threads are being archived.  I think the gameplay is great and I look forwarding to seeing you guys in-game.

 

This game isn't a wow clone, its a final fantasy clone.  final fantasy is older than wow.  warhammer is older than wow. wow races, classes, and lore and the overall look of wow ganked everything from the warhammer universe.  when I first played wow, I thought I was in a warhammer fantasy novel.

 

QFT. You hit the nail on the head. People are always calling new MMOs "WoW-Clones", and a good majority are. However, FFXIV has a lot of innovations that do not make it a " run of the mill themepark" or "WoW-clone". Chaining from FFXI is present in FFXIV, correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe WoW has Chaining when you're killing mobs.

Second, WoW crafting was pointless. In FFXIV I feel like the gear I craft is actually worth something, especially since I can control the quality of it (with skills). I was able to craft gear that I couldn't get via questing/grinding, which made it better than WoW in the first place. 

Third, you only need ONE character and you can be ANY class/job. You can even pick up all the crafting, unless I'm mistaken. I don't need to re-roll a million different characters and figure out which one I like best, I can just go unlock a different class, if I level it to twenty and decide I don't like it, no harm no foul I just switch back to my original class or move on to another and I won't even have to log out to do so.

In the end, people will play what they like. I like FFXIV ARR, it's way better than 1.0 and WoW IMHO. 

  Greymantle4

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8/20/13 11:02:22 PM#69
Originally posted by Shelvinarr
Originally posted by time007

I find it funny the OP is indirectly making fun of the game by calling it a wow clone (again, indirectly) so I'm sure he could re-post if needed and say "I never actually said it was a wow-clone". another poster said never for one second did he feel like he was in wow.  And I feel the same way.  I didn't feel for a second I was in wow.  wow is a cartoon.  FFXIV really stuck to its rpg roots in its look and gameplay.  I mean its basically final fantasy and its online.  that's fine enough for me.  Im willing to sub for this if the quality of the content stays good which I think it will. 

 

I think we got a ton of complaints about gameplay when free opened up, and now those comments have sort of died down and those threads are being archived.  I think the gameplay is great and I look forwarding to seeing you guys in-game.

 

This game isn't a wow clone, its a final fantasy clone.  final fantasy is older than wow.  warhammer is older than wow. wow races, classes, and lore and the overall look of wow ganked everything from the warhammer universe.  when I first played wow, I thought I was in a warhammer fantasy novel.

 

QFT. You hit the nail on the head. People are always calling new MMOs "WoW-Clones", and a good majority are. However, FFXIV has a lot of innovations that do not make it a " run of the mill themepark" or "WoW-clone". Chaining from FFXI is present in FFXIV, correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe WoW has Chaining when you're killing mobs.

Second, WoW crafting was pointless. In FFXIV I feel like the gear I craft is actually worth something, especially since I can control the quality of it (with skills). I was able to craft gear that I couldn't get via questing/grinding, which made it better than WoW in the first place. 

Third, you only need ONE character and you can be ANY class/job. You can even pick up all the crafting, unless I'm mistaken. I don't need to re-roll a million different characters and figure out which one I like best, I can just go unlock a different class, if I level it to twenty and decide I don't like it, no harm no foul I just switch back to my original class or move on to another and I won't even have to log out to do so.

In the end, people will play what they like. I like FFXIV ARR, it's way better than 1.0 and WoW IMHO. 

Your post creates a few questions for me. First what is chaining? Second you said you crafted gear and it was better then what you found questing / grinding. My first experience with crafting was alchemy and the potions where no better then the drops I were getting. This tuned me off right there and I didn't play the rest of Sunday.  I'm sorta kicking myself now for I could have at least saw what was beyond level 15 where everyone keeps saying the game takes off.

  Shelvinarr

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8/20/13 11:13:13 PM#70
Originally posted by Zeppelin4
Originally posted by Shelvinarr
Originally posted by time007

I find it funny the OP is indirectly making fun of the game by calling it a wow clone (again, indirectly) so I'm sure he could re-post if needed and say "I never actually said it was a wow-clone". another poster said never for one second did he feel like he was in wow.  And I feel the same way.  I didn't feel for a second I was in wow.  wow is a cartoon.  FFXIV really stuck to its rpg roots in its look and gameplay.  I mean its basically final fantasy and its online.  that's fine enough for me.  Im willing to sub for this if the quality of the content stays good which I think it will. 

 

I think we got a ton of complaints about gameplay when free opened up, and now those comments have sort of died down and those threads are being archived.  I think the gameplay is great and I look forwarding to seeing you guys in-game.

 

This game isn't a wow clone, its a final fantasy clone.  final fantasy is older than wow.  warhammer is older than wow. wow races, classes, and lore and the overall look of wow ganked everything from the warhammer universe.  when I first played wow, I thought I was in a warhammer fantasy novel.

 

QFT. You hit the nail on the head. People are always calling new MMOs "WoW-Clones", and a good majority are. However, FFXIV has a lot of innovations that do not make it a " run of the mill themepark" or "WoW-clone". Chaining from FFXI is present in FFXIV, correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe WoW has Chaining when you're killing mobs.

Second, WoW crafting was pointless. In FFXIV I feel like the gear I craft is actually worth something, especially since I can control the quality of it (with skills). I was able to craft gear that I couldn't get via questing/grinding, which made it better than WoW in the first place. 

Third, you only need ONE character and you can be ANY class/job. You can even pick up all the crafting, unless I'm mistaken. I don't need to re-roll a million different characters and figure out which one I like best, I can just go unlock a different class, if I level it to twenty and decide I don't like it, no harm no foul I just switch back to my original class or move on to another and I won't even have to log out to do so.

In the end, people will play what they like. I like FFXIV ARR, it's way better than 1.0 and WoW IMHO. 

Your post creates a few questions for me. First what is chaining? Second you said you crafted gear and it was better then what you found questing / grinding. My first experience with crafting was alchemy and the potions where no better then the drops I were getting. This tuned me off right there and I didn't play the rest of Sunday.  I'm sorta kicking myself now for I could have at least saw what was beyond level 15 where everyone keeps saying the game takes off.

Chaining is when you kill a mob equal to your level or higher and if you kill another mob of the same level or higher you get an XP bonus, the timer is 60-80 seconds if I recall correctly. Also, I was using Goldsmithing, I was able to craft a better scepter than what I was using as well as better jewelry. At first at the lower levels it wasn't as good, but once you get higher and are able to increase the quality of the items, it's loads better than the cut and dry standard gear you find/receive as quest rewards.

  PulsarMan

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8/20/13 11:15:42 PM#71
I am quite pleased with how ARR has turned out. It's pretty damned good. I'm an optimist, so I assume it will only get better. :D 
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8/20/13 11:17:43 PM#72


Originally posted by Zeppelin4
Your post creates a few questions for me. First what is chaining? Second you said you crafted gear and it was better then what you found questing / grinding. My first experience with crafting was alchemy and the potions where no better then the drops I were getting. This tuned me off right there and I didn't play the rest of Sunday.  I'm sorta kicking myself now for I could have at least saw what was beyond level 15 where everyone keeps saying the game takes off.

Chaining is when you kill a mob fast enough, it triggers a timer that counts down. Each mob you kill during the timer adds another chain. Each chain increases xp. I think they did this because after you level up a few classes, the rest of the classes are basically grinding mobs for xp. Chains in a group give a lot of xp especially when fate hunting. It reminds me of spin groups on dantooine in SWG which were a lot of fun.

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