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  Iselin

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8/20/13 5:22:46 PM#41
Originally posted by Arclan

 


Originally posted by simmihi

Originally posted by Iselin "Hardcore" is the belief system that MMORPGs should not be about having fun but instead they should be about pain and suffering because, they say, it is only rewarding to win if you lost a lot before the win. The pain and suffering part can be anything from the lack of convenience features (no map or minimap as someone said above) to forced grouping and stacked mob pseudo AI. It's the gaming equivalent of "no gain without pain" or "life is hard and then you die." [mod edit]
Awesome answer. Post of the day for me.

 

If I want fun, I'll watch cartoons. I play games to engage and challenge my brain; and there can be no challenge without risk.

So engaging and challenging your brain isn't fun for you? Why do you do it then?

  Iselin

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8/20/13 5:24:09 PM#42
Originally posted by Icewhite

Warning: This is a very generalized paintbrush, and applied quite broadly. If you consider yourself 'hardcore' you may want to skip reading the following, rather than reaching for your report button. It is only personal opinon. Thank you.

"Hardcore: Willing to self-appoint myself to the position, and eager to tell everyone who might listen how badass I am at every possible opportunity."

Sure, that's not very flattering. But I've been watching the forum antics for about three decades now. To me; "hardcore" is a synonym for "poseur". Self-aggrandizement addicts. Hubris huggers. MMOsochists.

The longer this thread goes the more I'm leaning toward your answer being the best one 

  Role_player

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8/20/13 5:24:27 PM#43

Master a game like DARK SOULS and not happy about the score reached, restart it again but now using the weakest charachter available and finish it again and after that in his mind he thinks: Ok now I'm ready to participate at the annual Championship in Las Vegas!!!

 

Signed,

THE HARDCORE GAMER

  Cliff1963

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8/20/13 5:27:48 PM#44
in my experience as a CASUALplayer HardCore players are elitist jerks, who think they are miles above players who don't master a heroic dungeon or raid in 1 run, who don't aknowledge the fact that other players have a life outside the MMORPG. This is MY experience with HC-players, in PUG's and with guild-members... They never have time to help you learning the boss mechanics of bosses in Dungeons and/or raids.
  Gorwe

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8/20/13 5:30:55 PM#45
HARDCORE:

The state of perma death where constant attention is needed(obviously). Think of it as of Diablo's Hardcore mode.

Another useful fact: it carries the same meaning as the term "try-harding". Which would mean to intentionally handicap yourself just to create a "challenge"(or abusing the systems so you feel "safe"). Think of it as using Champion select(the webpage) in LoL's bronze league. It just screams "TRYHARD".

Overall, not a positive adjective(imo) because it in 90% cases eradicates all fun from the game.
  Grimlock426

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Me not nice Dino! Me bash brains!

8/20/13 5:37:42 PM#46

First of all let me say that reading these responses perfectly illustrates why game developers hate to use terms like "hardcore" and "casual."

Having said that, my definition of hardcore and casual has almost everything to do with the amount of time the person can spend playing the game.

To me someone is 'hardcore' when they devote 25 or more hours a week to a game.  The 'casual' players are those who spend significantly less time playing.

I hate that many try to equate 'casual' with being bad at a game.  Many casual gamers still want to do well and research and theorycraft so as to be the best they can be, it's just that they can't log on for 3+ hours a day playing. 

Of course generally there is some correlation between time played and committment and ability.  Of course if you play the game more often it would tend to reason that you will likely become better at it then someone who plays half as much as you.  This is of course not a blanket statement, but rather a generalization. 

  Lissyl

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Why yes, I DO like healing and the Trinity!

8/20/13 5:40:47 PM#47

Hardcore:  I think Icewhite came up with what is probably the best answer.   But, much less eloquently...

 

Hardcore is the state of gaming where you want to be recognized for doing things the 'hard' way, all while living inside a bubble that protects you from things that are actually meaningful.  For example, the 'hardcore' wants full world pvp!  But...no friendly fire, that would take actual skill.  Forced grouping!  But...only so long as they have friends.  A huge guild!  But...make sure to selectively enforce who can join a guild.  8 hours to advance!  But...only so long as -they- have 8 hours to spend.  Corpse runs!  But...only when things can't arbitrarily kill you outside of group dynamics (which, because of forced grouping, are always there).  Insane camping!  But...only so long as big guilds are required, so they don't have to camp 24/7 by themselves.  It's all cyclical, and comes back to making sure there are others around to carry you when you -don't- want to be 'hardcore'.   You'll notice they very seldom, if ever, ask for insanely difficult solo content.  That's not an accident.

 

Or, more directly and in short, "Hardcore is the state where you want risk to be meaningful and punishing, but are afraid to have an actual channel mod".

  arbacus

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8/20/13 7:23:18 PM#48

hardcore/casuals are approachecs to a certain game hardcore the time you spent in game you are seeking to put effort in and be as efficient as you can casual you just are there for fun not overly concerned with your results

 

people tend to identify hardcore/casual with time but its not always true one can be hardcore and play alot or a little one can be casual and play alot or a little its more about the effort/motivation involved

  Gorwe

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8/20/13 7:40:06 PM#49
Hardcore/casual split isn't about fun. It's about the time spent in the game(35+hours/week imo) and its relation to the other aspects of gamer's life(Hardcore players are more prone to sac the Real Life obligations for virtual ones). Here's the example that shows you're wrong:

I play Hardcore mode in Diablo for fun. Most often with /players or MP turned up. Every encounter is a new dose of fun(which unfortunately stops after beating hell difficulty). So, by your definition of Hardcore, Diablo's Hardcore mode is actually for casuals? Or am I a casual in the Hardcore mode?

I don't think either of those two has an affirmative answer. Tho, I am not so sure about second...;)
  arbacus

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8/20/13 7:48:54 PM#50
no you just are misunderstanding diablo hardcore is hardcore because you have to spend extra effort to avoid consequences its actualy a good example it doesnt matter how much time you put in but the time you do put in you better be hardcore or you will be more likely to slip up and die

  arieste

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8/20/13 8:05:09 PM#51
Originally posted by cowboyoni 

So I say again, what does hardcore mean to you :) 

I got tired of answering this question over and over, so i made this helpful chart of what "casual" and "hardcore" mean to me:

 

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  Dracock

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8/20/13 8:14:05 PM#52

The definition of "hardcore" depends on context. It basically comes down to three different broad concepts. Ill explain how each of those concepts relate to gaming:

  1. Intensity, severity, relentless ect. Related to gaming difficulty or risk.
  2. Dedicated, Confirmed, Die-Hard ect. Referencing playtime or hours put in more than anything else
  3. Fundamental, Pure, "to the core." This is probably the least common usage in gaming. Something like "Hardcore EQ fan" makes the most sense.
Its all kind of subjective. I find that playtime is the most controversial. Some people consider "hardcore" to be 12+ hours a day (84 hours a week), and some consider it to be anything past 20 hours a week. In my mind, "hardcore" = part time job (or no job), with the rest of the persons day to day life spent on games.
  arbacus

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8/20/13 8:22:09 PM#53
Originally posted by Dracock

The definition of "hardcore" depends on context. It basically comes down to three different broad concepts. Ill explain how each of those concepts relate to gaming:

  1. Intensity, severity, relentless ect. Related to gaming difficulty or risk.
  2. Dedicated, Confirmed, Die-Hard ect. Referencing playtime or hours put in more than anything else
  3. Fundamental, Pure, "to the core." This is probably the least common usage in gaming. Something like "Hardcore EQ fan" makes the most sense.
Its all kind of subjective. I find that playtime is the most controversial. Some people consider "hardcore" to be 12+ hours a day (84 hours a week), and some consider it to be anything past 20 hours a week. In my mind, "hardcore" = part time job (or no job), with the rest of the persons day to day life spent on games.

Saying someone is hardcore because they spend a ton of time in a game is simply false.

But the correct use of hardcore in terms of time would be "Soandso spends 20 hours playing a game, that's hardcore!" Soandso does not have to be a hardcore gamer but the time he devotes to a game is hardcore he could be a casual player and devote 20 hours a day to a game.

Hardcore/Casual is more about the attitude one takes to a game at large not just one aspect like time spent you have to identify time spent specifically for it to mean time spent but when you talk about a Hardcore/Casual player themselves when not refering to their playtime specifically it is about the attitude, effort, dedication and efficency of the player.

Basically it is possible to be a hardcore player on a casual time schedule, as well as a Casual player on a Hardcore time schedule.

  Zorgo

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8/20/13 8:22:09 PM#54

In the context of:

"he's a hardcore player"

It means a person who plays the game more than others and is on the cutting edge of content and often can mean is very skilled relative to the demands of the game.

In the context of:

"It's a hardcore game"

It could mean that the game has a very real and tangible difficulty in achieving one, multiple or all of the games major objectives: whether that means mob per mob - battles are tougher, or access to content is difficult to obtain, or losing has harsh penalties, or some combination of that and several others.

In the context of:

"Some planets have a hard core"

It means that the center of the planet is not liquid.

  Dracock

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8/20/13 8:32:11 PM#55
Originally posted by arbacus
Originally posted by Dracock

The definition of "hardcore" depends on context. It basically comes down to three different broad concepts. Ill explain how each of those concepts relate to gaming:

  1. Intensity, severity, relentless ect. Related to gaming difficulty or risk.
  2. Dedicated, Confirmed, Die-Hard ect. Referencing playtime or hours put in more than anything else
  3. Fundamental, Pure, "to the core." This is probably the least common usage in gaming. Something like "Hardcore EQ fan" makes the most sense.
Its all kind of subjective. I find that playtime is the most controversial. Some people consider "hardcore" to be 12+ hours a day (84 hours a week), and some consider it to be anything past 20 hours a week. In my mind, "hardcore" = part time job (or no job), with the rest of the persons day to day life spent on games.

Saying someone is hardcore because they spend a ton of time in a game is simply false.

But the correct use of hardcore in terms of time would be "Soandso spends 20 hours playing a game, that's hardcore!" Soandso does not have to be a hardcore gamer but the time he devotes to a game is hardcore he could be a casual player and devote 20 hours a day to a game.

Hardcore/Casual is more about the attitude one takes to a game at large not just one aspect like time spent you have to identify time spent specifically for it to mean time spent but when you talk about a Hardcore/Casual player themselves when not refering to their playtime specifically it is about the attitude, effort, dedication and efficency of the player.

Basically it is possible to be a hardcore player on a casual time schedule, as well as a Casual player on a Hardcore time schedule.

Go explain to webster that their second definition is "simply false"

  arbacus

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8/20/13 8:38:48 PM#56
I don't think Webster is a authority on gaming slang.

  Drakephire

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8/20/13 8:48:52 PM#57

I see anyone who plays an MMO (or any recreational activity really) more than 20-30 hours a week as hardcore. How you spend that time in game is irrelevant.

 

 

  Jagarid

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8/20/13 8:51:34 PM#58
To me hardcore just means someone who likes their game to have a challenging level of difficulty, nothing more.   Which pretty much means there are no hardcore MMOs anymore.
  cowboyoni

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OP  8/20/13 9:22:26 PM#59

Well seems it's an opinion thing but I still think a hardcore game has nothing to do with how much time you put in a game. To me it is related to the how deep the complexity of the game goes. I'll say again in this definition the board game chess (or 'Go', or 'Shogi') is on one end of the spectrum and the game tic-tac-toe is on the other. IMO a game that is truly hardcore has to have savants or naturally gifted players. People who see a level of complexity to the game that others can't, no matter how long they play.

 

By that definition there may not be video games that hit the mark but I think at least a few get close to it. Anyways that's just my opinion.

  moosecatlol

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8/20/13 9:28:53 PM#60
Just a game that makes me try in any respect at this point.
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