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News & Features Discussion  » [General Article] WildStar: Revenue Model Revealed

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8/19/13 4:19:56 PM#301
Originally posted by Scalpless

Interesting. I must say I still don't see the target audience of this game. People who want a WoW-that's-not-WoW? Is there enough of them? Personally, I attribute WoW's decline in subs to people getting tired of the whole model, not the game itself.

I thought they were going to make a sub-free WoW with some nice additional features, but I guess not. Maybe I'm just not interested in the whole "quest to endgame and raid" model and don't understand what the people who are want, but... eh. Right now FFXIV seems to be a better choice for group-focused content, unless you're someone who loves raiding.

Add to that:

Wildstar is Sci-fi, not fantasy (ffivx is)

Wildstar has more action based combat compared to ffivx having the old tab target with 2.5 gcd.

There are more reasons I am sure, but I don't see the difference being raiding or not.


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8/19/13 4:34:10 PM#302

Actually, I wasn't very interested in this game at all, until I read this announcement.  Finally a high quality non fantasy MMO where all the F2P only scrubs are weeded out.

Since everyone is making predictions: I predict it will be a couple of years before this game goes F2P.  By then I'll be bored of it anyways so I won't matter either way to me.

Now back to your regularly scheduled arguments on the faults of the P2P system.

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8/19/13 4:46:15 PM#303
Simply put whether you like or dislike the payment model, this will be all overlooked depending on how sticky the game is!! And in my opinion is well thought out as Carbine makes decisions, for once I'm sure this MMO will satisfy most everyone. A good example of how  carbine works is, a person sent  $20 to Firefall for access to Wildstar Beta. The $20 was returned from Wildstar with unique artwork from carbine art studio, another classy situation was when beta notes were leaked and only the people not standing up to the  NDA  had  access to the information, Carbine chose to release patch notes to everyone. Quite honestly I cannot wait for the game the launch and there seems to be a little bit of a setback with circuitboard crafting. I guess self-proclaimed fan boy of  Wildstar. Go-go Carbine

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8/19/13 4:48:33 PM#304
If the game is good then the payment system will work, enough with this nonsense. 

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8/19/13 4:50:25 PM#305
1 year +- 5 months before the go the same route as Swtor and Tsw...shrewd p2p to f2p business model.

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8/19/13 4:52:09 PM#306
Originally posted by Asamof

There goes all my interest for the game!!


Guess Carbine DOES want that embarrassing countdown to F2P conversion. Sad.


Yeah..but it makes them the green so..

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8/19/13 5:04:50 PM#307

Thank goodness, finally a game worth playing without p2w, freeloaders and cash shop. 


Thank you, Carbine. 

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8/19/13 5:06:26 PM#308
Originally posted by Alber_gamer

Thank goodness, finally a game worth playing without p2w, freeloaders and cash shop. 


Thank you, Carbine. 

umm, you can basically buy in game currency with money...Of course there is always the possibility that in game money wont be that important.


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8/19/13 5:07:43 PM#309
Lets see

Standard Box: $59.99

Subscription Fee
1 Month 14.99
3 Months 41.97
6 Months 77.94
12 Months 131.88


PAY 2 WIN! (Diablo 3 RMAH) (9000 Gold Farmers in coming...)
In game AH to sell and buy in-game gold for REAL MONEY!

Microtransaction Purchases
Planned for later date.... Yeah $$$$$...

Now how fraking stupid do they think people are, moooo cash cows (yes you), this game will not last long at all.... Basically your throwing at least $200 USD away for a game that will go Free 2 Play in a year.



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8/19/13 5:12:49 PM#310
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8/19/13 5:16:32 PM#311

Gotta say I like it.  I'm so tired of F2P games where they are always nit picking you for everything in game.  Oh want a bag? $20.  Want to add another character slot, $20.  Whoa 15 slots in the bank not enough add another 15 only $20.  Want to reskin your armor with another set?  You guessed it $20.....

Seems like now days F2P games are costing you more to play and P2P.  Then there is the quality angle.  Most F2P games are not innovative and not very good.  Slap some graphics a few quests and a couple features and you got a new MMO.  Maybe I've become synical but quality seems to be all about flash and not about content.  

The good news is what I've read on wildstar it sounds like they are looking to make quality important and to actually setup a model where they are going to put it on the line and earn my monthly subscription.  They want to keep me by delivering me monthly services at a reasonable rate...

Free is too good to be true and I'm tired of countless lackluster free games...

Now I will exclude GW2 at least so far it seems like a good game.



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8/19/13 5:17:10 PM#312

I don't understand how everyone knows that Wildstar will be a bad enough game that it WILL go F2P.  It's not like F2P is where the money is at.  Guild Wars 2 is bringing in significantly less revenue quarter after quarter and it doesn't really show signs of going back up.  A great game will easily succeed with a sub model.  $15 monthly is not much of a barrier to entry and if you really can't afford that, hopefully you have enough time to farm out in game cash to buy your sub that way.


F2P is not "the future of the industry".  F2P is the future (and present) of mediocre games that can't support a decent player base while charging a sub.  NCSoft is publishing Wildstar.  I'm pretty sure they are aware of the advantages/disadvantages of the B2P or F2P model.  Why?  Because they have other games that offer those models and if you refuse to pay a sub, you can always play those other games.  :)


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8/19/13 5:25:27 PM#313

i was right, lol


i knew it all along from all the bullshit talk from the executives


and their big "talk up" of how much it cost to produce this mmo, hilarious, all f2p games have similar development funds, just NCsoft knows full well in advance that western audiences are dumb enough to throw down 60 bucks on a whim.


good luck with your failed mmo, the leaked beta footage shows for itself, its going to fail and nobody will miss it


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8/19/13 5:26:44 PM#314

This alone would want me to pick up this game.

Thank you for this type of subscription model. :D




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8/19/13 5:26:52 PM#315
Kudos to them for going sub, hope the do well, thats two big name MMO's now that announced subs, I'll be playing FFXIV: ARR myself as i don't really care for the wildstar look, and I will never play another game that has anything to do with NCsoft, but I hope Carbine does well.

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8/19/13 5:34:59 PM#316
Nice, will play this game now :).

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8/19/13 5:35:30 PM#317
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by Wraithone
Originally posted by observer
I'm surprised some of you are praising the subscription model.  You're deluding yourselves if you think a sub. game gives more quality.  Tell me this, how many mmos have you quit within the first mmo of trying them out?  Did you complain about end-game?  If so, shouldn't the subscription model provide the quality for end-game?  Exactly.

The delusion comes from those who expect something for nothing.  A steady revenue stream helps the company project its needs into the future, and thus allows better content generation.   Notice I said *allows*, not mandates.  Yoshi P made a very compelling argument in favor of subscriptions.

As for the other, if you have nothing invested in a game, its a lot easier to just leave and chase after the next F2P shiny that comes along (and the next, and the next, and the next...).  But given the current ADD generation and its well known short attention span, and thus low skill ceiling, thats only to be expected.  But lets not encourage such antics, when it can be avoided.

Wild Star isn't going for a steady revenue stream. They are trying to go for a cash grab.

a B2P boxed fee

a P2P subscription Fee

a real money transaction option

Talk about double dipping.

They probably know all to well, they can't sustain that indefinitely. and will alter the boxed fee or the sub fee or implement a Cash Shop at some point.

If this game turns out to have an awesome endgame, I'd be willing to pay the $60, I'd pay the $15/mo. But I pull the breaks on RMT.

Cash grab? You do realize that the major reason for this exercise is to make a profit on the MASSIVE investment, that these games cost to create?  They are simply using what until recent years had been the traditional western business model. The addition of the CREDD is to shoot the gold sellers in the wallet.  It provides those who have little patience with a safer in game method of gaining in game currency.

That does several things. One, it cuts down on the number of accounts that get subverted by people visiting dodgy sites, and also makes it less profitable for gold sellers. That also keeps the staff time/talent required to deal with related customers complaints down.

As for the other, no one is forcing you (or anyone else) to use the RMT system.  But it does address the reality that most such companies face, in regards to the farming and selling of in game currency.


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8/19/13 5:44:08 PM#318
Originally posted by Alber_gamer

Thank goodness, finally a game worth playing without p2w, freeloaders and cash shop. 


Thank you, Carbine. 

I dont know about that.. f2p players will be farming our gold because of CREDD.


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GW2 socialist.

8/19/13 5:45:05 PM#319
Originally posted by Loktofeit

11 pages of discussion so far on a post that basically said "Wildstar will require a subscription."


I love it. :D

No discussion necessary as far as I'm concerned.  My interest in the game may have fallen away, but it will be B2P one day, that's almost a guarantee.  I'll give it a shot then.  I commend them on no cash shops, though.


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8/19/13 5:46:04 PM#320
Sounds good, it remains to be seen what can be obtained via CREDD though. Subscription model is definitely the way to go imo, give me a good game without the option to pay for power/advancement and I'll gladly pay a subscription.
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