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  caetftl

Novice Member

Joined: 8/29/12
Posts: 359

8/17/13 5:24:34 AM#161
Originally posted by SlyLoK
Originally posted by Volkon
Originally posted by SlyLoK

A few weeks ago I went back to give GW2 another try and I started fresh.. The only time I saw people in the world was when certain events would activate and then everything was empty again. And this was the first 30 levels! I cant remember the server name. Fort Aspenwood maybe.

 

 

FA? FA is one of the more populated servers, so no idea what was going on there or even if that was the right server. Huge WvW contingent there as well. 

I only said what I experienced. Nothing more.

Apparently experiences in GW2 that don't paint the game in a pretty light don't count... but ones that do are absolute truth.

  Gaia_Hunter

Hard Core Member

Joined: 5/04/12
Posts: 2677

8/17/13 5:45:36 AM#162
Originally posted by caetftl
Originally posted by SlyLoK
Originally posted by Volkon
Originally posted by SlyLoK

A few weeks ago I went back to give GW2 another try and I started fresh.. The only time I saw people in the world was when certain events would activate and then everything was empty again. And this was the first 30 levels! I cant remember the server name. Fort Aspenwood maybe.

 

 

FA? FA is one of the more populated servers, so no idea what was going on there or even if that was the right server. Huge WvW contingent there as well. 

I only said what I experienced. Nothing more.

Apparently experiences in GW2 that don't paint the game in a pretty light don't count... but ones that do are absolute truth.

So what is the point of the poster - whenever there was an event people were there.

Does the poster need  cheerleaders to follow him while he level up his character?

And what is the point of expressions like "and then everything was empty again"?

It is a stupid hyperbole.

Everyone that plays the game knows you don't have people in your view 24/7. They also know that even in the most remote areas suddenly you have 4 or 5 people playing alongside you.

Everyone that played other games also know that when you are doing quests in those other games, most of the time you are solo and when you see other people you wish they weren't there tagging the mobs you need to complete your quest.

GW2 seems to be the only game that if you aren't surrounded by a mob 24/7 it is empty and if you are surrounded by a mob 24/7 "it is a boring zerg fest".

So when people make start making balanced posts instead of hyperbole their experiences will count.

Currently playing: GW2
Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, King of Tokyo

  daltanious

Elite Member

Joined: 4/19/08
Posts: 1943

8/17/13 4:03:27 PM#163
Hmm...really not sure how can to any1 appear population is still growing. For larger scale content is hard to find any1 around for some time. But is summer maybe this influences a lot. Have been playing 3 games alternating even on daily basis (doing this in summer for years, not sure why, it just suits me to play relaxed more games), swtor, wow and gw2. Game that has (at least on my pve server) at any time players around in any area is swtor, wow and gw2 much less.
  Slappy1

Novice Member

Joined: 12/27/12
Posts: 464

8/17/13 4:15:47 PM#164

All I'm seeing here is damage control by the same people

The numbers are out and they were worded to give GW2 a sales number advantage.WoW sold more in 8 month's in a time that had less than a quarter of the people playing mmo's as today

The server capacity can be lowered just as easily as raised.You have proof they continue too raise them?

It's been known for like over 6 month's that servers show a total of the the characters on that server,not just logged in,Anet said it a long time ago in the forums.

But yea,let's just keep spewing this pro GW2 propaganda too try and keep the game in the headlines.

 

Nice try!

Some day I'm going to put a sword through your eye and out the back of your skull!

Arya Stark

  caetftl

Novice Member

Joined: 8/29/12
Posts: 359

8/17/13 5:12:15 PM#165
Originally posted by Slappy1

All I'm seeing here is damage control by the same people

The numbers are out and they were worded to give GW2 a sales number advantage.WoW sold more in 8 month's in a time that had less than a quarter of the people playing mmo's as today

The server capacity can be lowered just as easily as raised.You have proof they continue too raise them?

It's been known for like over 6 month's that servers show a total of the the characters on that server,not just logged in,Anet said it a long time ago in the forums.

But yea,let's just keep spewing this pro GW2 propaganda too try and keep the game in the headlines.

 

Nice try!

You make a very good point, I actually remember them talking about servers showing total characters and not just logged on.

  observer

Elite Member

Joined: 2/17/05
Posts: 2363

First came pride, then envy.

8/17/13 5:15:30 PM#166
Originally posted by Slappy1

All I'm seeing here is damage control by the same people

The numbers are out and they were worded to give GW2 a sales number advantage.WoW sold more in 8 month's in a time that had less than a quarter of the people playing mmo's as today

The server capacity can be lowered just as easily as raised.You have proof they continue too raise them?

It's been known for like over 6 month's that servers show a total of the the characters on that server,not just logged in,Anet said it a long time ago in the forums.

But yea,let's just keep spewing this pro GW2 propaganda too try and keep the game in the headlines.

 

Nice try!

I'm not sure what you mean by damage control.  I see people here showing proof with screenshots that the population isn't dead as some others in here are claiming it to be.

You claim all these statements, but you don't give links to quotes or facts.  Even wikipedia is more accurate than you.

  observer

Elite Member

Joined: 2/17/05
Posts: 2363

First came pride, then envy.

8/17/13 5:16:11 PM#167
Originally posted by caetftl
Originally posted by Slappy1

All I'm seeing here is damage control by the same people

The numbers are out and they were worded to give GW2 a sales number advantage.WoW sold more in 8 month's in a time that had less than a quarter of the people playing mmo's as today

The server capacity can be lowered just as easily as raised.You have proof they continue too raise them?

It's been known for like over 6 month's that servers show a total of the the characters on that server,not just logged in,Anet said it a long time ago in the forums.

But yea,let's just keep spewing this pro GW2 propaganda too try and keep the game in the headlines.

 

Nice try!

You make a very good point, I actually remember them talking about servers showing total characters and not just logged on.

Why don't you two find a link and quote, so we can all see it.  Then this issue will be settled.

  laokoko

Advanced Member

Joined: 9/14/09
Posts: 1937

8/17/13 5:29:10 PM#168

That's why post like this is pointless.

How do you know population is dropping just because Q2 sale drop?  Maybe it is just less people buying box since everyone who want to play already bought the game. 

How do you know less people using the cashshop means less people playing?  There isn't even direct colloration.  Maybe every high payer already "bought their legendary with real cash".  So they won't be spending more real money. 

Am I suppose to be happy GW2 have high cashshop sells?  That means GW2 is a heavily cash shop dependent pay to win game right?

How do you know other server population increase just because there is 4 full server.  Maybe everyone transfered to those tier1 server, and leave behind a bunch of empty one.

How do you know population decrease just because your server is empty?  Maybe it is just your server, and other server are fine.  Maybe people start having senses and desert those low pop server for higher one.

How do you even know the top server increase their population cap.  Maybe their population actually decrease so Anet opened for more people to join.

How do you know there is even a population cap. There is overflow rememeber?  What's the point of caping it, they actually having technicle problem?  Or they just cap it so not everyone won't flood 1 server and leave the other server empty.

How do you know Anet hiering means GW2 is doing well.  Maybe they want to hier better people and cut of the bad people.  Maybe it is just for PR. 

And how do you know more GW2 staff, means GW2 is doing good.  Maybe those are all staff prepared for GW2 china release, and won't help the US server in anyway.

If people actually think its already super easy to estimate GW2 population.  There is actually a good matrix for it.  But people just don't think.  It is definately not 2.5 million.  ANd GW2 surely isn't dieing.  Because how can a top 5 western mmorpg be called dieing.  You might as well call every single mmorpg dead.(well except wow, and maybe eve, not that eve have that many players, but it is the highest for sandbox).

  laokoko

Advanced Member

Joined: 9/14/09
Posts: 1937

8/17/13 5:38:26 PM#169
Originally posted by observer
Originally posted by caetftl
Originally posted by Slappy1

All I'm seeing here is damage control by the same people

The numbers are out and they were worded to give GW2 a sales number advantage.WoW sold more in 8 month's in a time that had less than a quarter of the people playing mmo's as today

The server capacity can be lowered just as easily as raised.You have proof they continue too raise them?

It's been known for like over 6 month's that servers show a total of the the characters on that server,not just logged in,Anet said it a long time ago in the forums.

But yea,let's just keep spewing this pro GW2 propaganda too try and keep the game in the headlines.

 

Nice try!

You make a very good point, I actually remember them talking about servers showing total characters and not just logged on.

Why don't you two find a link and quote, so we can all see it.  Then this issue will be settled.

You want to know the truth, Those thing beside server listing means precisely nothing.  And it will always remain nothing unless Anet disclose the truth.

And why won't Anet disclose the truth?  Because of people like caetftl.  They want to nit picking on anything.

If GW2 is so bad, how many better games are out there?  Thats the truth right?  There isn't even that many mmorpg with higher population than GW2.  Not only that GW2 is B2P.  Suddenly a very bargain game for people without that much money get dumped down just because they loss 20% sales.

  Gaia_Hunter

Hard Core Member

Joined: 5/04/12
Posts: 2677

8/17/13 5:46:40 PM#170

Yeah it is so hard to find people.

There is people everywhere but if you really want to see people go to:

WvW, Crown Pavillion, Orr, Queensdale, Frostegorge Sound, any place with a World Boss event.

Feel free to post your screenshots.

I still don't see how people reconcile the critics that everything is a big zerg and everything is empty, but whatever. 

Currently playing: GW2
Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, King of Tokyo

  Faelsun

Advanced Member

Joined: 6/23/07
Posts: 485

8/17/13 5:47:10 PM#171
Well according to press releases and financial statements, after the initial sales Lineage 2 is outselling GW2 in Asian Markets and GW2 sales dropped so much in NM that L2 also is making more profit than GW2. Lets see L2 has a population of  a little under a million players. So let me take a wild guess and say GW2 is dealing with less than half that. 
  caetftl

Novice Member

Joined: 8/29/12
Posts: 359

8/17/13 5:49:08 PM#172
Originally posted by laokoko
Originally posted by observer
Originally posted by caetftl
Originally posted by Slappy1

All I'm seeing here is damage control by the same people

The numbers are out and they were worded to give GW2 a sales number advantage.WoW sold more in 8 month's in a time that had less than a quarter of the people playing mmo's as today

The server capacity can be lowered just as easily as raised.You have proof they continue too raise them?

It's been known for like over 6 month's that servers show a total of the the characters on that server,not just logged in,Anet said it a long time ago in the forums.

But yea,let's just keep spewing this pro GW2 propaganda too try and keep the game in the headlines.

 

Nice try!

You make a very good point, I actually remember them talking about servers showing total characters and not just logged on.

Why don't you two find a link and quote, so we can all see it.  Then this issue will be settled.

You want to know the truth, Those thing beside server listing means precisely nothing.  And it will always remain nothing unless Anet disclose the truth.

And why won't Anet disclose the truth?  Because of people like caetftl.  They want to nit picking on anything.

If GW2 is so bad, how many better games are out there?  Thats the truth right?  There isn't even that many mmorpg with higher population than GW2.  Not only that GW2 is B2P.  Suddenly a very bargain game for people without that much money get dumped down just because they loss 20% sales.

Actually they don't disclose the truth, because they aren't honest.  They would like to manipulate things, and make carefully worded statements (intended to mislead) to make their game look better than it is, so that more people give them money.  They did this on the chinese website (native speakers pointed out how misleading it was in how it was worded) and they did it with the manifesto.

You can tell when a game is doing well, because for them honesty actually helps them grow.  Just look at league of legends, it is more than happy to tell you how many active players/accounts it has, because all of the stats are superb. 

Anet knows they can't be transparent, because things aren't as great as they project... the moment they start giving real numbers, it starts making it easy to paint a picture on how the game is doing. 

I can tell you that sales dropping by 20% is NEVER a good thing, it is NEVER a sign that things are improving. 

  Meowhead

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Joined: 1/31/09
Posts: 3732

8/17/13 6:01:29 PM#173
Originally posted by Faelsun
Well according to press releases and financial statements, after the initial sales Lineage 2 is outselling GW2 in Asian Markets and GW2 sales dropped so much in NM that L2 also is making more profit than GW2. Lets see L2 has a population of  a little under a million players. So let me take a wild guess and say GW2 is dealing with less than half that. 

Uh.

GW2 isn't being sold in Asian markets at all.  EVERY game that's being sold in Asian markets is outselling GW2 there. :B

Also, Lineage and LIneage 2 aren't actually the same game.  Lineage is the one that has more total sales than GW2.  It is the biggest MMORPG in Korea, and a big game in Asia in general. 

If it's true that Lineage 2 has a population of a little under a million players, using your own math, GW2's profits of over double means that GW2 would be dealing with around 2 million players.  I find that math dubious anyway since they're not using the same kind of pricing model, but hey.  That was YOUR logic, not mine. :)

  Gaia_Hunter

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Joined: 5/04/12
Posts: 2677

8/17/13 6:27:49 PM#174
Originally posted by caetftl
Originally posted by laokoko
Originally posted by observer
Originally posted by caetftl
Originally posted by Slappy1

All I'm seeing here is damage control by the same people

The numbers are out and they were worded to give GW2 a sales number advantage.WoW sold more in 8 month's in a time that had less than a quarter of the people playing mmo's as today

The server capacity can be lowered just as easily as raised.You have proof they continue too raise them?

It's been known for like over 6 month's that servers show a total of the the characters on that server,not just logged in,Anet said it a long time ago in the forums.

But yea,let's just keep spewing this pro GW2 propaganda too try and keep the game in the headlines.

 

Nice try!

You make a very good point, I actually remember them talking about servers showing total characters and not just logged on.

Why don't you two find a link and quote, so we can all see it.  Then this issue will be settled.

You want to know the truth, Those thing beside server listing means precisely nothing.  And it will always remain nothing unless Anet disclose the truth.

And why won't Anet disclose the truth?  Because of people like caetftl.  They want to nit picking on anything.

If GW2 is so bad, how many better games are out there?  Thats the truth right?  There isn't even that many mmorpg with higher population than GW2.  Not only that GW2 is B2P.  Suddenly a very bargain game for people without that much money get dumped down just because they loss 20% sales.

Actually they don't disclose the truth, because they aren't honest.  They would like to manipulate things, and make carefully worded statements (intended to mislead) to make their game look better than it is, so that more people give them money.  They did this on the chinese website (native speakers pointed out how misleading it was in how it was worded) and they did it with the manifesto.

You can tell when a game is doing well, because for them honesty actually helps them grow.  Just look at league of legends, it is more than happy to tell you how many active players/accounts it has, because all of the stats are superb. 

Anet knows they can't be transparent, because things aren't as great as they project... the moment they start giving real numbers, it starts making it easy to paint a picture on how the game is doing. 

I can tell you that sales dropping by 20% is NEVER a good thing, it is NEVER a sign that things are improving. 

But what does sales have to do with player population in a game you can play for free once you bought the game?

It was the Chinese company that made that up, not Arenanet.

I'm sorry for all the honest Chinese out there, but it seems some Chinese companies do everything.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/-chinese-zoo-tries-passing-dog-off-as-lion--180952559.html

Chinese zoo tries passing off dog as an 'African lion'

 

Officials at a Chinese zoo attempted to pass off this Tibetan mastiff as an African lion (AFP)

 

 

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  caetftl

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Posts: 359

8/17/13 6:34:52 PM#175
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter
Originally posted by caetftl
Originally posted by laokoko
Originally posted by observer
Originally posted by caetftl
Originally posted by Slappy1

All I'm seeing here is damage control by the same people

The numbers are out and they were worded to give GW2 a sales number advantage.WoW sold more in 8 month's in a time that had less than a quarter of the people playing mmo's as today

The server capacity can be lowered just as easily as raised.You have proof they continue too raise them?

It's been known for like over 6 month's that servers show a total of the the characters on that server,not just logged in,Anet said it a long time ago in the forums.

But yea,let's just keep spewing this pro GW2 propaganda too try and keep the game in the headlines.

 

Nice try!

You make a very good point, I actually remember them talking about servers showing total characters and not just logged on.

Why don't you two find a link and quote, so we can all see it.  Then this issue will be settled.

You want to know the truth, Those thing beside server listing means precisely nothing.  And it will always remain nothing unless Anet disclose the truth.

And why won't Anet disclose the truth?  Because of people like caetftl.  They want to nit picking on anything.

If GW2 is so bad, how many better games are out there?  Thats the truth right?  There isn't even that many mmorpg with higher population than GW2.  Not only that GW2 is B2P.  Suddenly a very bargain game for people without that much money get dumped down just because they loss 20% sales.

Actually they don't disclose the truth, because they aren't honest.  They would like to manipulate things, and make carefully worded statements (intended to mislead) to make their game look better than it is, so that more people give them money.  They did this on the chinese website (native speakers pointed out how misleading it was in how it was worded) and they did it with the manifesto.

You can tell when a game is doing well, because for them honesty actually helps them grow.  Just look at league of legends, it is more than happy to tell you how many active players/accounts it has, because all of the stats are superb. 

Anet knows they can't be transparent, because things aren't as great as they project... the moment they start giving real numbers, it starts making it easy to paint a picture on how the game is doing. 

I can tell you that sales dropping by 20% is NEVER a good thing, it is NEVER a sign that things are improving. 

But what does sales have to do with player population in a game you can play for free once you bought the game?

It was the Chinese company that made that up, not Arenanet.

I'm sorry for all the honest Chinese out there, but it seems some Chinese companies do everything.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/-chinese-zoo-tries-passing-dog-off-as-lion--180952559.html

Chinese zoo tries passing off dog as an 'African lion'

 

Officials at a Chinese zoo attempted to pass off this Tibetan mastiff as an African lion (AFP)

 

 

It was the chinese publisher of GW2, people that anet are in business with, people that are directly tied to the chinese release of gw2.  The 2.5million logins a week was very telling though... based on common mmo habits that puts the game at approximately 300-600k active players, which basically matches up with what my sources have told me. 

  Amjoco

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Joined: 9/15/10
Posts: 4154

8/17/13 6:35:59 PM#176
Originally posted by caetftl
Originally posted by laokoko
Originally posted by observer
Originally posted by caetftl
Originally posted by Slappy1

All I'm seeing here is damage control by the same people

The numbers are out and they were worded to give GW2 a sales number advantage.WoW sold more in 8 month's in a time that had less than a quarter of the people playing mmo's as today

The server capacity can be lowered just as easily as raised.You have proof they continue too raise them?

It's been known for like over 6 month's that servers show a total of the the characters on that server,not just logged in,Anet said it a long time ago in the forums.

But yea,let's just keep spewing this pro GW2 propaganda too try and keep the game in the headlines.

 

Nice try!

You make a very good point, I actually remember them talking about servers showing total characters and not just logged on.

Why don't you two find a link and quote, so we can all see it.  Then this issue will be settled.

You want to know the truth, Those thing beside server listing means precisely nothing.  And it will always remain nothing unless Anet disclose the truth.

And why won't Anet disclose the truth?  Because of people like caetftl.  They want to nit picking on anything.

If GW2 is so bad, how many better games are out there?  Thats the truth right?  There isn't even that many mmorpg with higher population than GW2.  Not only that GW2 is B2P.  Suddenly a very bargain game for people without that much money get dumped down just because they loss 20% sales.

Actually they don't disclose the truth, because they aren't honest.  They would like to manipulate things, and make carefully worded statements (intended to mislead) to make their game look better than it is, so that more people give them money.  They did this on the chinese website (native speakers pointed out how misleading it was in how it was worded) and they did it with the manifesto.

You can tell when a game is doing well, because for them honesty actually helps them grow.  Just look at league of legends, it is more than happy to tell you how many active players/accounts it has, because all of the stats are superb. 

Anet knows they can't be transparent, because things aren't as great as they project... the moment they start giving real numbers, it starts making it easy to paint a picture on how the game is doing. 

I can tell you that sales dropping by 20% is NEVER a good thing, it is NEVER a sign that things are improving. 

Of course "sales" are going to drop, the box isn't selling as much. Profit is what counts and that comes from folks playing and buying in the trading post. The company is doing very well without having to let any employees go after the first year. That is pretty much unheard of in the industry. That fact alone means that someone is making money enough to pay the bills, and keep employees and fans happy. 

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  caetftl

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Joined: 8/29/12
Posts: 359

8/17/13 6:53:16 PM#177
Originally posted by Amjoco
Originally posted by caetftl
Originally posted by laokoko
Originally posted by observer
Originally posted by caetftl
Originally posted by Slappy1

All I'm seeing here is damage control by the same people

The numbers are out and they were worded to give GW2 a sales number advantage.WoW sold more in 8 month's in a time that had less than a quarter of the people playing mmo's as today

The server capacity can be lowered just as easily as raised.You have proof they continue too raise them?

It's been known for like over 6 month's that servers show a total of the the characters on that server,not just logged in,Anet said it a long time ago in the forums.

But yea,let's just keep spewing this pro GW2 propaganda too try and keep the game in the headlines.

 

Nice try!

You make a very good point, I actually remember them talking about servers showing total characters and not just logged on.

Why don't you two find a link and quote, so we can all see it.  Then this issue will be settled.

You want to know the truth, Those thing beside server listing means precisely nothing.  And it will always remain nothing unless Anet disclose the truth.

And why won't Anet disclose the truth?  Because of people like caetftl.  They want to nit picking on anything.

If GW2 is so bad, how many better games are out there?  Thats the truth right?  There isn't even that many mmorpg with higher population than GW2.  Not only that GW2 is B2P.  Suddenly a very bargain game for people without that much money get dumped down just because they loss 20% sales.

Actually they don't disclose the truth, because they aren't honest.  They would like to manipulate things, and make carefully worded statements (intended to mislead) to make their game look better than it is, so that more people give them money.  They did this on the chinese website (native speakers pointed out how misleading it was in how it was worded) and they did it with the manifesto.

You can tell when a game is doing well, because for them honesty actually helps them grow.  Just look at league of legends, it is more than happy to tell you how many active players/accounts it has, because all of the stats are superb. 

Anet knows they can't be transparent, because things aren't as great as they project... the moment they start giving real numbers, it starts making it easy to paint a picture on how the game is doing. 

I can tell you that sales dropping by 20% is NEVER a good thing, it is NEVER a sign that things are improving. 

Of course "sales" are going to drop, the box isn't selling as much. Profit is what counts and that comes from folks playing and buying in the trading post. The company is doing very well without having to let any employees go after the first year. That is pretty much unheard of in the industry. That fact alone means that someone is making money enough to pay the bills, and keep employees and fans happy. 

But you don't know how much profit they are making...... For example if they are only making 500k profit a month, that wouldn't be a worthwhile investment to ncsoft long term.  The change in direction, the 20% drop in sales, the PR blitz in response to all of that, these are all indicative of a company trying to right a sinking ship.  You don't change directions, if the direction you were going in was successful. 

  Meowhead

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8/17/13 7:15:33 PM#178
Originally posted by caetftl

But you don't know how much profit they are making...... For example if they are only making 500k profit a month, that wouldn't be a worthwhile investment to ncsoft long term.  The change in direction, the 20% drop in sales, the PR blitz in response to all of that, these are all indicative of a company trying to right a sinking ship.  You don't change directions, if the direction you were going in was successful. 

... were you supposing that GW2 would continue selling new copies at an increasing rate, forever?

Nobody thought that.  Ever.

EVERYBODY with the faintest bit of common sense knew that as time goes on, the money coming in would drop, because they get their biggest hit of money from box sales.  Even if the incoming people outstripped the leaving people, that's still a normal projection.

You baffle me.  It's pretty self-explanatory logic.

You still seem to think GW2 has a sub.  Or that it's a F2P game where the only money they make is from the cash shop.

You're not taking into account that box sales will drop naturally as the amount of people who haven't bought it who wanted to decreases.  This is perfectly normal for the VAST majority of video games, even most successful titles.

Even WoW follows the exact same drop in income.  Yes, they make a ton of money, but they make even MORE on the quarter when the boxes first sell.

  caetftl

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Joined: 8/29/12
Posts: 359

8/17/13 7:23:29 PM#179
Originally posted by Meowhead
Originally posted by caetftl

But you don't know how much profit they are making...... For example if they are only making 500k profit a month, that wouldn't be a worthwhile investment to ncsoft long term.  The change in direction, the 20% drop in sales, the PR blitz in response to all of that, these are all indicative of a company trying to right a sinking ship.  You don't change directions, if the direction you were going in was successful. 

... were you supposing that GW2 would continue selling new copies at an increasing rate, forever?

Nobody thought that.  Ever.

EVERYBODY with the faintest bit of common sense knew that as time goes on, the money coming in would drop, because they get their biggest hit of money from box sales.  Even if the incoming people outstripped the leaving people, that's still a normal projection.

You baffle me.  It's pretty self-explanatory logic.

You still seem to think GW2 has a sub.  Or that it's a F2P game where the only money they make is from the cash shop.

You're not taking into account that box sales will drop naturally as the amount of people who haven't bought it who wanted to decreases.  This is perfectly normal for the VAST majority of video games, even most successful titles.

Even WoW follows the exact same drop in income.  Yes, they make a ton of money, but they make even MORE on the quarter when the boxes first sell.

Can you show me where i supposed that gw2 would continue selling new copies at an increasing rate?  Can you prove that the majority of their revenue is from box sales in q2 at all? 

NCsoft must not have any common sense by your logic, because i'm pretty sure their goal was for the game to be so successful that it reached critical mass and would increase from quarter to quarter after the initial boom and drop, because at critical mass their cash shop would be utilized by more and more people.  I'm pretty sure cash shop games try to increase revenue over time through getting more people to spend in their cash shop. 

I can only tell you that your logic is flawed.

Can you show me where i said anything that implied that i think gw2 has a sub?  Or where I implied that I think it is a game that only makes money from cash shop? 

I've most definitely taken into account that the popularity of the game would taper off, as i've indicated in countless posts. 

I think what you don't realize about WoW is how rapidly it grew, it made money from initial box sales but it actually kept growing and making more and more money, it didn't have ANY drop off until the second expansion.  So no, wow doesn't follow the EXACT same drop in income, it actually took its own very unique path, which is why it is WoW. 

  Meowhead

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8/17/13 7:32:57 PM#180
Originally posted by caetftl

Can you show me where i supposed that gw2 would continue selling new copies at an increasing rate?  Can you prove that the majority of their revenue is from box sales in q2 at all? 

NCsoft must not have any common sense by your logic, because i'm pretty sure their goal was for the game to be so successful that it reached critical mass and would increase from quarter to quarter after the initial boom and drop, because at critical mass their cash shop would be utilized by more and more people.  I'm pretty sure cash shop games try to increase revenue over time through getting more people to spend in their cash shop. 

I can only tell you that your logic is flawed.

Can you show me where i said anything that implied that i think gw2 has a sub?  Or where I implied that I think it is a game that only makes money from cash shop? 

I've most definitely taken into account that the popularity of the game would taper off, as i've indicated in countless posts. 

I think what you don't realize about WoW is how rapidly it grew, it made money from initial box sales but it actually kept growing and making more and more money, it didn't have ANY drop off until the second expansion.  So no, wow doesn't follow the EXACT same drop in income, it actually took its own very unique path, which is why it is WoW. 

WoW didn't have a drop off in profit because sub.

GW2 has a fairly non-invasive cash shop.  Lots of people playing don't buy anything.

WoW DID have a drop off in box sales.  It went up, peaked, started dropping.  It's not like they sold 1 million boxes the first quarter, 1.5 million the next, 2 million the next, 2.5 million the one after that.

You really like conjecture though, and dealing with it as facts.  I'm pretty much finished here.  I'm smart enough to realize that we don't have enough information to be able to accurately gauge what's going on, you insist you know exactly what it means.  More power to you.  You like putting your own spin on the numbers, and that makes you happy, so have fun with it.

And you want me to point out where you said that stuff?  It's the only way that your evidence is proof.  I assumed since you seemed to think you were proving things, you were internally consistent and just ignorant.  Since it's a cash shop, it's just guesses, but you are happy with that.  Just stop saying you're proving anything because you're just guessing.

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