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  SBFord

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OP  8/15/13 7:42:54 PM#1

Our intrepid Tourist is ready to take us on a journey through the EVE-connected world of DUST 514. See what he discovered about the world, the game and much more in this week's The Tourist. Leave us your thoughts in the comments!

When CCP first revealed DUST 514, I was more than a little excited. As much as I love MMORPGs, first-person shooters will always be my second love. The idea of one even remotely like EVE Online was music to my ears. For years, shooters have moved closer to the persistence of MMOs, so why shouldn't CCP, legendary in that space, be the ones to make it happen? I had faith and today I am sorely let down. DUST is the result of over-ambition and, I believe, a touch of arrogance that console players would simply accept what they were offering. In short, it's just not very good. Today, I'm here to talk about DUST's fundamental problems and why even a move to PC may not be enough.

Read more of Chris Coke's The Tourist: Ashes to Ashes...

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  rojoArcueid

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8/16/13 2:09:05 PM#2
i really want to keep playing this game but i will not keep my PS3 for one f2p game. When i get my PS4 im done with PS3. I hope this game becomes successful enough so they port it to next gen. Maybe on next gen they can even make bigger matches. They jsut need to fix a lot of problems

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  uidCaustic

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8/16/13 2:13:14 PM#3
When they break down and realize console games have no lasting player base per game and bring it to PC, I'll worry about it then.
  Gruug

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8/16/13 2:23:37 PM#4
Too bad this game is only available to one type of gaming system. It sort of negates interest by those that do not own that gaming  system.

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  BelegStrongbow

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8/16/13 2:26:31 PM#5
a big push onto ps4 with new features and bigger battles,  might save the title.  Its just not on the same scale as Planetside 2.  And PS2 is coming to PS4,  it should be a really good port.
  Tsar_Bomba

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8/16/13 2:29:46 PM#6

And the PC users laugh and only want to know one thing...

 

Where's the grave so I can desecrate it.

 

Ignore us at your peril.

  Kyleran

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8/16/13 2:45:59 PM#7
Originally posted by Tsar_Bomba

And the PC users laugh and only want to know one thing...

 

Where's the grave so I can desecrate it.

 

Ignore us at your peril.

Or at least dance on it.

Sure wish they had decided to ashcan this dead duck and go forward on WOD with more gusto.

 

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  Phaserlight

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8/16/13 2:50:11 PM#8
Fundamental Problem #1 seems the most obvious, knowing little else about either game; there doesn't seem to be enough reason for a console FPS gamer to participate in the Eve universe, or vice-versa, as the design currently stands.

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  moondrago

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8/16/13 3:05:46 PM#9

you really hit the nail on the head with this  post  .. i  went out and bought a  ps3 just for this  game  and then  after  2 months of   play  and  about  $150 bucks  later  ... i realize  i just   c ould not  keep my self into this  game  ... the  main  thing i  dislike  was  the  HIGH lvl  of  skill points needed to  lvl  stuff ... i was  a  sniper and   for  lvl  5  of  the  skill it was  like  1.2 million  skill points ... ..you win a  match you get  about  5ooo  ... and  its not  really mmo  ..your  post  was  right on the money ...

p.s. do you know anyone that  wants to buy a ps3 :)

its a GoOd dAy to diE !!

  Robokapp

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8/16/13 3:09:48 PM#10

i'll play it when they'll let me install on my pc.

 

p.s. has anyone made a ps emulator yet ?

 

if you can make a mac run windows and a pc run mario...

  orbitxo

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8/16/13 3:42:41 PM#11

"however, the players most likely to enjoy the game will be watching from the sidelines as CCP pioneers forward without them."

 

- you nailed it there!

  remyburke

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8/16/13 5:35:15 PM#12
PS3 Gamer 1: Hey man want to play Dust 514? It'san FPS based on EVE Online.

PS3 Gamer 2: What's an EVE Online?


PC Gamer 1: Hey man want to play Dust 514?

PC Gamer 2: Ya EVE is awesome! Let me fire up my PC.

PC Gamer 1: it's only on the PS3...

PC Gamer 2: dafuq?......

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  cosy

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  NodboN

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8/16/13 6:51:56 PM#14
i would of gave it an honest try if it had been on pc, and might have liked it, hell i play combat arms and any shooter is a step up from that. 
  rodingo

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8/16/13 7:40:58 PM#15
Originally posted by NodboN
i would of gave it an honest try if it had been on pc, and might have liked it, hell i play combat arms and any shooter is a step up from that. 

I gave it an honest run on the PS3 and it's really waste of HD space.  PC players who want to play Dust 514 really have a superior choice already with Planetside 2.

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  maplestone

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8/16/13 8:00:18 PM#16

How much of this boils down to a culture gap over risk management - EvE philosophy revolves around "don't fly anything you can't afford to lose, don't fight fights you can't win".  Do these concepts exist in DUST?

  Ozmodan

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8/17/13 5:59:35 AM#17

" It's a PS3 exclusive. In fairness, they probably got a boatload of money to make it that way. "

That quote immediately told me that this guy rarely uses the internet search feature to research his articles so you can read what he writes with a skeptical eye.  Just for you edification Mr. Coke, the game was initially going to be on the xbox, but due to restrictions that CCP could not live with from Microsoft, was switched to the PS3.  They intentionally did not do a PC version because they did not want it conflicting with Eve.

Anyone who follows Eve would know this, hence I really have to question your ability to be qualified to write this article at all.

What the author did do, was point out the major problems with this game.  From a console player's perspective this is a poorly written FPS.  It is pay-to-win.  I am not sure why CCP decided they should get into the console business, but they should have hired some designers with console FPS experience.  They really need to change how they fund this game, as it stands I would never recommend it to anyone.

  GameByNight

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8/17/13 11:07:45 AM#18
Originally posted by Ozmodan

" It's a PS3 exclusive. In fairness, they probably got a boatload of money to make it that way. "

That quote immediately told me that this guy rarely uses the internet search feature to research his articles so you can read what he writes with a skeptical eye.  Just for you edification Mr. Coke, the game was initially going to be on the xbox, but due to restrictions that CCP could not live with from Microsoft, was switched to the PS3.  They intentionally did not do a PC version because they did not want it conflicting with Eve.

Anyone who follows Eve would know this, hence I really have to question your ability to be qualified to write this article at all.

What the author did do, was point out the major problems with this game.  From a console player's perspective this is a poorly written FPS.  It is pay-to-win.  I am not sure why CCP decided they should get into the console business, but they should have hired some designers with console FPS experience.  They really need to change how they fund this game, as it stands I would never recommend it to anyone.

So, let me get this straight, you're discrediting my article because of one tiny, almost indisputable line and using the other 90% to support your own argument? And you believe that because CCP didn't hop on a forum and spell out that Sony paid them that it didn't happen? Pull that blanket a little tighter over your head.

 

I guarantee you Sony paid them for an exclusivity contract. It's how console exclusives work: Sony pays developers to make console exclusives because it helps them sell consoles.  The funding is why developer's agree to it because by tying themselves to a single platform, they limit their sales. Why would studios like Naughty Dog ever agree to console exclusivity otherwise? If you only pay attention to the MMO space, you may not know that, but if you seriously believe CCP is keeping DUST on PS3 to "not compete with EVE" -- a game so incredibly different that they are literally in two different genres --  you're naive. Nevermind that Sony also dumped loads of money into trade show time for CCP. It wasn't out of the goodness of their hearts, it was because they were invested and were trying to earn their return.

 

I do my research. Do you?

 
 

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  Phry

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8/17/13 11:12:29 AM#19
Originally posted by rodingo
Originally posted by NodboN
i would of gave it an honest try if it had been on pc, and might have liked it, hell i play combat arms and any shooter is a step up from that. 

I gave it an honest run on the PS3 and it's really waste of HD space.  PC players who want to play Dust 514 really have a superior choice already with Planetside 2.

Planetside 2 is going to be on the PS4, which means that Dust will probably be officially dead at that point.

the only thing that MIGHT save Dust now is a PC port, but honestly, its probably already far too late for that anyway.  Its dead jim, no need to take it out back and shoot it, just dig a hole and drop it in.

  LeGrosGamer

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8/17/13 11:14:49 AM#20
I've always been a huge fan of CCP, but doing Dust 514 for console only is probably their dumbest (Or 1st stupid move) ever.
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