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  Draemos

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8/16/13 1:31:46 PM#21
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Why does this surprise you?

All MMOs I have ever played have their version of the anti-epic quests. Especially in the starter areas.

 

Squirrels and Ladybugs?  Common dude....

  Alberel

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8/16/13 1:32:09 PM#22
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by Alberel

The low level content is mostly aimed at non-MMO gamers. Yes it is easy for experienced MMO players but that's pretty much the norm for the genre. Killing small, weak looking mobs at low-level is normal. If you were killing dragons and stuff at level 1 you would lose the sense of power progression you get through gaining levels as you would always be killing 'tough' mobs.

The 'kill x of y' quests also thin out as you get higher... and eventually you'll run out entirely and have to find alternative methods to level your other classes/jobs.

I really don't see the issue here. Any game that has tried to do this differently has done it worse...

Wait, what? you might have to go into a bit of detail there, I've seen plenty of starter areas that had more productive as well as exciting content.

Really? Give me some examples. In my experience every MMO either has an entirely instanced tutorial that is fun for the first hour or two then makes the rest of the game look rubbish by comparison, or they do it like this and gradually build up to better content.

  Kyleran

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8/16/13 1:33:21 PM#23
Originally posted by Urza123

Have you ever actually tried to kill a squirrel? It is a lot harder than it seems especailly if you are trying to get to them with a melee weapon. I mean by the time you will chase one down, and hit the damn thing it is quite a workout. 

Some chop wood, some kill squirrels... you know whatever works!

Shotguns are your friend in almost every situation, be it squirrels, robots, or zombies.

 

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  time007

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8/16/13 1:34:19 PM#24

Well on one hand, what the OP has written makes the quest text seem a bit redundant. 

 

BUT, please temper that with the fact, that its the tutorial.

 

and yes, every other post-WoW mmo in history has you doing this lame crap in the tutorial and sometimes well past it all the way to the max level.

 

I haven't got a shot at playing yet, but, I hope that solo'ing is much slower both for gaining items and exp than group play.  If that's the case I don't care what the quests say and do or how they appear.  I'd rather be in a group anyways then solo clicking my way to victory.  I can play Fable III or final fantasy console games if I want solo questing fun in the sun that is meaningful.

 

EDIT:  I consider the first 1-5 or even 1-10 levels to be the "tutorial" area or starter area.  Most of the crap done here I want to get out of as fast as possible and don't worry too much about.  I expect in all games nowadays to be gathering berries and whacking bunnies with a stick, I mean we live in a post-WoW mmo world.  At least until Camelot Unchained comes out in 2015 sometime. 

  Draemos

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8/16/13 1:36:20 PM#25
Originally posted by Strayfe
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I'm no fan of GW2, but no... doesn't compare. If they had you running around capturing ladybugs and stealing squirrels stash or something... OK.  But in FFXIV you are literally killing squirrels and Ladybugs.  LADYBUGS.

  time007

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8/16/13 1:41:01 PM#26
Originally posted by Draemos
Originally posted by Strayfe
[mod edit]

I'm no fan of GW2, but no... doesn't compare. If they had you running around capturing ladybugs and stealing squirrels stash or something... OK.  But in FFXIV you are literally killing squirrels and Ladybugs.  LADYBUGS.

Just read this, and I wanted to reply to you.  So you are saying that these quests are weak and you want something more challenging right?

 

Well I think questing for exp is weak and the game should be more challenging and you should NOT be able to solo quest as a means of leveling up (maybe just as a storyline or for an epic set of gear at 50).  So to you this easy mode squirrel killing is on the far right side of the spectrum.  But actually, You are just one notch over but still on the far right of the spectrum demanding quests, just not as easy.  I'm on the other side of the spectrum wanting no quests to exp up, but in stead group play as the main means of exp. 

 

Just wanted to put things in perspective for you and all the other gamers demanding harder/more intricate solo quests.  But, in reality, there is nothing intricate or hard about solo quests, at least that's what guys like me on this end of the spectrum think.  Just a thought for you guys.

  SeriphinX

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8/16/13 1:42:08 PM#27
lol OP made my day. The way he describes the process: pure gold.

I tried it for about 15 minutes earlier...but it took so long to get going after the intro, the ride in the cart to town, that I had to postpone till later.

I miss the days of FFVII...get off the train...starting kicking ass.
  rojoArcueid

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8/16/13 1:44:24 PM#28
Originally posted by Strayfe
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im curious why you only make that emphasis on GW2. Do you thing the rest of the mmos made it better? because i havent seen one that made it better. Same type of content, just made better, more varied, and less boring.

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  Distopia

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8/16/13 1:46:48 PM#29
Originally posted by Alberel
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by Alberel

The low level content is mostly aimed at non-MMO gamers. Yes it is easy for experienced MMO players but that's pretty much the norm for the genre. Killing small, weak looking mobs at low-level is normal. If you were killing dragons and stuff at level 1 you would lose the sense of power progression you get through gaining levels as you would always be killing 'tough' mobs.

The 'kill x of y' quests also thin out as you get higher... and eventually you'll run out entirely and have to find alternative methods to level your other classes/jobs.

I really don't see the issue here. Any game that has tried to do this differently has done it worse...

Wait, what? you might have to go into a bit of detail there, I've seen plenty of starter areas that had more productive as well as exciting content.

Really? Give me some examples. In my experience every MMO either has an entirely instanced tutorial that is fun for the first hour or two then makes the rest of the game look rubbish by comparison, or they do it like this and gradually build up to better content.

I'm referring to the way tasks, dialogue and travel flow, pacing is everything in games, FFXIV is rather slow to stand in that department. As for examples, there are many, AOC, TOR, SWG, TSW, DAOC, GW1, WAR, etc... Each of those had better pacing, and more interesting things to suck you in on the initial run. YMMV

As the OP said it's the tedious delivery, that can be quite off putting. Although I do agree with another who said this is typical in JRPG's and it is to some extent.

The complaint here from the OP doesn't seem to be centered on the existence of questing, or tried and true mechanics, it's the build up to a "really?" moment. That's quite common in most of the starter quests I went through.

 

 

 

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  Strayfe

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8/16/13 1:55:49 PM#30
Originally posted by rojo6934

im curious why you only make that emphasis on GW2. Do you thing the rest of the mmos made it better? because i havent seen one that made it better. Same type of content, just made better, more varied, and less boring.

Because GW2 always seems to be held up as the pinnacle of the genre which can do no wrong.  Since the OP was trying to paint the typical starting quests that are in every game in a negative light solely in FFXIV, as if they aren't in every other game, I pointed out that even the critically acclaimed, God-Emperor and Jesus Christ of MMORPGs has worse starting quests.

For the record, I'd rather kill something, anything, than pick apples and milk cows.

  Agnostic42

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OP  8/16/13 2:01:26 PM#31

Finally! I made my journey to the squirrels and despite having to /dance in front of some woman who then called me weird, and she was right, I finally made it. Now I may be able to find one around these level 12 tree guys.

 

However, it is now a joke between my boys and I that in order to do anything or request anything, we must initiate an extended string of dialogue that circulates around the question and then randomly request that they do something completely off the wall.

 

Me: The dishes need doing...

But the dishes were done last night

Me: There are breakfast dishes...

We need to wash breakfast dishes?

Me: Yes, in order for the dishes to be done, we must wash them...

If we wash the dishes, will they then be done?

Me: Yes, in order for dishes to become cleaned, we must clean them! (Heroic pose)

But, the dishes were done after dinner

Me: It is now after the next meal, and we must.

But if we must wash dishes, there won't be any dirty ones left

Me: That is correct little padawan, in order to have clean dishes we must clean them

You are not yet a member of the kitchen guild!

Me: But, fine, let's go to the store and buy some chips

  R1zla

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8/16/13 2:15:45 PM#32
Originally posted by agnostic4eve

Finally! I made my journey to the squirrels and despite having to /dance in front of some woman who then called me weird, and she was right, I finally made it. Now I may be able to find one around these level 12 tree guys.

 

However, it is now a joke between my boys and I that in order to do anything or request anything, we must initiate an extended string of dialogue that circulates around the question and then randomly request that they do something completely off the wall.

 

Me: The dishes need doing...

But the dishes were done last night

Me: There are breakfast dishes...

We need to wash breakfast dishes?

Me: Yes, in order for the dishes to be done, we must wash them...

If we wash the dishes, will they then be done?

Me: Yes, in order for dishes to become cleaned, we must clean them! (Heroic pose)

But, the dishes were done after dinner

Me: It is now after the next meal, and we must.

But if we must wash dishes, there won't be any dirty ones left

Me: That is correct little padawan, in order to have clean dishes we must clean them

You are not yet a member of the kitchen guild!

Me: But, fine, let's go to the store and buy some chips

lol funny :D .

However, my advice to you is if you dont like the game to simply log off. In fact i wish all the ppl that dont like it would log off! That way those of us that DO like the game may be able to actually create characters on the servers we want to play on. Ive been trying to get on for hours ;)

  Mahavishnu

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8/16/13 2:38:05 PM#33

Yes, the start into FFXIV is rather annoying. This can be done much better. Want some examples?

Guildwars 2:

It starts with a fight against attacking centaurs and ends with a nice bossfight. It is great fun and gives you a feeling of urgency.

The Secret World:

The introduction to one of the three agencies is supercool. The cinematics and the first instanced "dreamed" fight are a very good introduction to the game with a lot of action and atmosphere.

Warhammer Online:

Yes, even one of the biggest failures in MMO history had at least a very entertaining starter zone with the greenskins. The questtexts, the ride on the catapult, the first dynamic event, everything was so cool.

Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need.

  User Deleted
8/16/13 3:04:37 PM#34

In LOTRO you were killing bears, boars and wolves in almost every area and in every expansion.

I never heard anybody complain about that.

  keenber

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8/16/13 3:09:22 PM#35
In old EQ you were given a note and a club and that was it. Now that was the way to do it.
  GeezerGamer

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8/16/13 3:30:35 PM#36
Originally posted by arunasme
Same old mmo, new skin pack. Hype train will go down very soon.

LOL, yeah, I suppose. But it's still better than picking up escaped rabbits before they eat all the watermelon

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  vidiotking

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one in the bush is better than one in the hand.

8/16/13 3:33:19 PM#37
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by arunasme
Same old mmo, new skin pack. Hype train will go down very soon.

LOL, yeah, I suppose. But it's still better than picking up escaped rabbits before they eat all the watermelon

Um.. it is IMPERATIVE to grab all the rabbits if they're gonna eat all the watermelon. Must have watermelon.

  Voqar

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8/16/13 3:33:54 PM#38
Originally posted by Tygranir

It's the same MMO again. Seriously.

Just like WoW:

Look! I'm in Elwynn forest... killing boars

 

Woot! Made it to Hellfire peninsula... and I'm Killing boars....

I wouldn't say just like WoW.

 

WoW doesn't have incessant loading screens or a 2.5s GCD, two things that are driving me absolutely insane.  The loading screens...man...it's ridiculous that a MMORPG in 2013 has ANY loading but to have it going on this much is just..twilight zone surreal.

 

In WoW, which is what, 10 years old now or nearly so, you only have a loading screen going in/out of instances.  Zone and city transitions are seamless.  You don't have to zone just to get to another part of a very small town like you do in FFXIV.  How can we have gone this far backwards for tech?  Oh yeah.  FFXIV has to run on archaic outdated consoles.  So everyone not on a console has to suffer the same limitations.  Having both PC and console with the same version of the game is a GREAT idea.

 

MMORPGs are about killing and collecting and fed-exing.  If you're going to complain about that...maybe you're playing the wrong genre of games.  That said.  Killing squirrels, kittens, and puppies, and other harmless stuff just doesn't inspire.  Couldn't we kill some baby crocodiles or orc/goblin infants or something that is least derivative of a monster?  Beating up helpless wildlife...isn't very heroic.

 

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  Shadowguy64

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8/16/13 3:36:36 PM#39

I'm betting the OP got owned by the squirrels. If not, the ladybugs certainly trounced him.

 

I'm enjoying the game. So I don't have a problem starting my life of genocide on small critters.

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8/16/13 3:42:12 PM#40
I am not taking anyone here serious until there Lv.20 when you have played the 1st 3 dungeons and Ifrit ( if you have not done so in the other phases ) Because the first 15 leves other then story are to get you and people who never played MMOs a learning lesson on how to play .

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