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  caetftl

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OP  8/14/13 4:22:37 PM#1
Numbers don't lie fellas... http://www.ncsoft.net/global/ir/earnings.aspx
  Nadia

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8/14/13 4:35:33 PM#2

http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/08/14/ncsoft-sales-are-up-income-is-down/


So what's fueling these numbers? Lineage 1 remains the backbone of NCsoft's financials, boasting "an all-time high" in the sales department. Aion is reportedly doing well in China, and Guild Wars 2 is providing "stable" profits.

  caetftl

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OP  8/14/13 4:41:28 PM#3
I'll go by the official earnings reports over massively's article of opinions... but you are free to try and spin the numbers if you want.
  Scalpless

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8/14/13 4:42:54 PM#4

GW2 is, apparently, doing quite well. Also, TC's post history makes me smile. No wonder I though I'd seen this guy somewhere.

  Nadia

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8/14/13 4:45:39 PM#5
Originally posted by caetftl
I'll go by the official earnings reports over massively's article of opinions... but you are free to try and spin the numbers if you want.

read page 4 header of the ncsoft report

 

Revenues grew on the back of historical high L1 and stable GW2 OP also increased reflecting solid revenues and limited increase in expenses

 

  caetftl

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OP  8/14/13 4:46:49 PM#6
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by caetftl
I'll go by the official earnings reports over massively's article of opinions... but you are free to try and spin the numbers if you want.

read page 4 header of the ncsoft report

 

Revenues grew on the back of historical high L1 and stable GW2 OP also increased reflecting solid revenues and limited increase in expenses

 

 

I prefer the actual numbers, which are down 20% from last quarter... Also operating profits while important, aren't nearly as telling as sales.... Operating profit could be increased for example, by the initial wave of release players quitting, so anet being able to layoff CSR staff because they are only supporting a fraction of the initial customers. That is an example of a way you can increase your operating profit, by lowering operating cost.
  nastyjman

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8/14/13 4:49:06 PM#7
Oh no! Profits are down, better stop playing and enjoying teh game. /s
  Gravarg

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8/14/13 4:49:47 PM#8

Meh, I don't really care what anyone says about numbers, that's the developer's job.  This same shtick comes out when Blizzard releases their quarterly reports.  It doesn't matter to me one bit.  I wouldn't care if Blizzard lost 6 million players in the next quarter...I'm still playing and having a good time, for me, that's all that matters.  If you care about what everyone else is doing, then more power to you, but I'm sure I can't be the only one that couldn't care less about numbers in any game.

 

Reminds me of iPhones.  Anyone that knows anything about the main phones, they'll tell you that iPhones are poorly made.  Breathe on one, and watch what happens...it'll probably break lol.  But everyone has to have an iPhone because everyone has to have one...no thanks.  I want a phone that can fall out of my holster, slide down off a roof and land on a sidwalk of concrete, and the only damage is a chip in the corner paint...thanks samsung :)

  caetftl

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OP  8/14/13 4:50:59 PM#9
Originally posted by Gravarg
Meh, I don't really care what anyone says about numbers, that's the developer's job.  This same shtick comes out when Blizzard releases their quarterly reports.  It doesn't matter to me one bit.  I wouldn't care if Blizzard lost 6 million players in the next quarter...I'm still playing and having a good time, for me, that's all that matters.  If you care about what everyone else is doing, then more power to you, but I'm sure I can't be the only one that couldn't care less about numbers in any game.

 

It's pretty intuitive to care about numbers, because MMOs are a business first unfortunately, and if the numbers aren't good the game usually suffers for it.
  Nadia

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8/14/13 4:52:32 PM#10
Originally posted by caetftl
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by caetftl
I'll go by the official earnings reports over massively's article of opinions... but you are free to try and spin the numbers if you want.

read page 4 header of the ncsoft report

Revenues grew on the back of historical high L1 and stable GW2 OP also increased reflecting solid revenues and limited increase in expenses

I prefer the actual numbers, which are down 20% from last quarter...

whos twisting ?  

I quoted the financial highlights of the ncsoft report and you have your personal twist on what ncsoft reported

  Gravarg

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8/14/13 4:54:48 PM#11
Originally posted by caetftl
Originally posted by Gravarg
Meh, I don't really care what anyone says about numbers, that's the developer's job.  This same shtick comes out when Blizzard releases their quarterly reports.  It doesn't matter to me one bit.  I wouldn't care if Blizzard lost 6 million players in the next quarter...I'm still playing and having a good time, for me, that's all that matters.  If you care about what everyone else is doing, then more power to you, but I'm sure I can't be the only one that couldn't care less about numbers in any game.

 

It's pretty intuitive to care about numbers, because MMOs are a business first unfortunately, and if the numbers aren't good the game usually suffers for it.

I'll play the game until it isn't fun anymore.  If it's due to money problems or something, that doesn't matter to me...there's plenty of other games to play.  I'm just saying that it really doesn't matter to me.

  nolic1

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8/14/13 4:55:15 PM#12

Does that show just the sales figures cause most companies or I should say mmo's do count monthly fees as sales and GW2 has none they only have there Store and I can tell you on my server people use it. But like you I have no factual proof of what A-net makes from there earning from the store or sales. See NC-Soft is the publisher not the producer of the game its the same with many companies they help get the game going by publishing it and only take so much of the total earnings NCsoft owns Lineage 1 and 2 but they dont own A-net so just because you see figure it means little to the actual amount they could be making for all we know A-net could be making above WoW but we don't know we don't have those figures. Thats why this does not count in if the games doing well or not.

Hers a fact GW2 would have to be making money or A-net would not be looking for graphics designers, Q&A, and many more employees right now on there site they would be letting people go.


To me I enjoy gaming I dont play to be uber I play to have fun. If a game is not fun to me guess what I move on and play something else till I find one that is. When I find that great game and not sure if in my life time there will be one I hope it has everything I want in an mmo.

  Xiaoki

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8/14/13 4:55:22 PM#13

Guild Wars 2 went from $32.5 million the previous quarter down to $25.8 million this quarter.


Why are the GW2 fans being so hardcore defensive?


It didnt make as much money, its a fact.

  caetftl

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OP  8/14/13 4:55:23 PM#14
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by caetftl
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by caetftl
I'll go by the official earnings reports over massively's article of opinions... but you are free to try and spin the numbers if you want.

read page 4 header of the ncsoft report

Revenues grew on the back of historical high L1 and stable GW2 OP also increased reflecting solid revenues and limited increase in expenses

I prefer the actual numbers, which are down 20% from last quarter...

whos twisting ?  

I quoted the financial highlights of the ncsoft report and you have your personal twist on what ncsoft reported

 

I actually didn't twist anything, I am talking about sales, you are talking about operating profit, which can actually temporarily grow as a game tapers off in success. Things like lowering staff as a game loses players, lowering bandwidth as there is less demand on the game etc... can increase operating profit by lowering operating cost. As I said the numbers are numbers... you may care more about the fluff, but I care more about the accounting, because money speaks most in this industry. Operating profits can be related to internal decisions, sales themselves are directly indicative of the demand in the game.... and sales are down 20%
  Ikonic

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8/14/13 5:03:44 PM#15
Originally posted by nolic1

Does that show just the sales figures cause most companies or I should say mmo's do count monthly fees as sales and GW2 has none they only have there Store and I can tell you on my server people use it. But like you I have no factual proof of what A-net makes from there earning from the store or sales. See NC-Soft is the publisher not the producer of the game its the same with many companies they help get the game going by publishing it and only take so much of the total earnings NCsoft owns Lineage 1 and 2 but they dont own A-net so just because you see figure it means little to the actual amount they could be making for all we know A-net could be making above WoW but we don't know we don't have those figures. Thats why this does not count in if the games doing well or not.

Hers a fact GW2 would have to be making money or A-net would not be looking for graphics designers, Q&A, and many more employees right now on there site they would be letting people go.

NCsoft no longer owns ArenaNet? 

  User Deleted
8/14/13 5:05:56 PM#16
Originally posted by Xiaoki

Guild Wars 2 went from $32.5 million the previous quarter down to $25.8 million this quarter.


Why are the GW2 fans being so hardcore defensive?


It didnt make as much money, its a fact.

 

This is good news for everyone, if it remained successful we would have got more gw2 clones, we only need one of those, one is more than enough. Hopefully this next quarter it drops at least another 10 million annd with a little luck they will have shut servers down. Send the game world a message "We hate these crappy games, please stop making them!!!"
  caetftl

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OP  8/14/13 5:07:57 PM#17
Originally posted by Rockniss
Originally posted by Xiaoki

Guild Wars 2 went from $32.5 million the previous quarter down to $25.8 million this quarter.


Why are the GW2 fans being so hardcore defensive?


It didnt make as much money, its a fact.

 

This is good news for everyone, if it remained successful we would have got more gw2 clones, we only need one of those, one is more than enough. Hopefully this next quarter it drops at least another 10 million annd with a little luck they will have shut servers down. Send the game world a message "We hate these crappy games, please stop making them!!!"

 

GW2 will have another temporary spike when they release in china... but the game is too shallow for chinese players to stay interested long term. Not only do chinese mmo players tend to prefer more challenging games, there is much more competition in china in the f2p mmo market than over in the west.
  caetftl

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OP  8/14/13 5:09:06 PM#18
Originally posted by ichihaifu
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I know it's crazy to me to see that game still doing so well, but it can run on any computer these days pretty much and has so much momentum.
  HappyThoughts

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8/14/13 5:12:23 PM#19
Originally posted by caetftl
Originally posted by Scalpless

GW2 is, apparently, doing quite well. Also, TC's post history makes me smile. No wonder I though I'd seen this guy somewhere.

 

It's down 20% from last quarter... As I said before, the numbers don't lie... people will try to spin them, but I prefer to deal in reality... and the numbers are numbers...

 Isnt that what you are trying to do?  Spin numbers?

  caetftl

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OP  8/14/13 5:13:38 PM#20
Originally posted by viruzex
Originally posted by caetftl
Originally posted by Scalpless

GW2 is, apparently, doing quite well. Also, TC's post history makes me smile. No wonder I though I'd seen this guy somewhere.

 

It's down 20% from last quarter... As I said before, the numbers don't lie... people will try to spin them, but I prefer to deal in reality... and the numbers are numbers...

 Isnt that what you are trying to do?  Spin numbers?

 

Not at all, their sales are down 20% there is no spin to that, that is fact....
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