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  Dullahan

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8/13/13 12:40:47 PM#61
Originally posted by Sephastus
Originally posted by ego13
Originally posted by Leiros
So, as I was watching the EQN reveal last week I couldn't help but imagine a group of Blizzard devs scribbling furiously with their pens and clipboards as the "new features" were being unveiled. Does anyone else feel like Blizzard is just waiting copy and then improve upon whatever EQN has to offer?

Yes, this is exactly it.  Blizzard who has clearly copied everyone since the beginning of gaming and never done anything original is just sitting back waiting for the ideas to roll in from other developers so they can steal them and use them.

 

 

Seeing as myself and MANY other people predicted EXACTLY what EQN would be before the  unveil it's not hard to say that Blizzard also could easily see where the market is going as well and was already developing in that direction.  The best part  was sitting in the chat room before the unveil and having everyone flame me for saying that it would make sense for them to do randomly generated worlds with action-based combat, then to watch the unveil and laugh.

Ego check for Ego13:

 

First, no need for the " /sarcasm", because you are right on the money. But not only for blizzard, all companies look at what other companies are doing and bring in ideas they feel work well. If you do not learn from others, you are doomed to fail. It's not underhanded, it is just how the world works.

 

Second, "you and many others predicted 'exactly' what EQN would be before the unveil?", O man, this is just too good to pass up. Lets get a few of your quotes from before the reveal:"

 

"They won't do anything ground-breaking (and if they do I'll GLADLY eat my own words) so the game will just be; Spam for group....wait....spam for group.....get in group....grind for the time you have......say 'thanks everyone'.....log out."

 

 "They won't be able to change the way you progress in the game in such a dramatic way that my argument (That sandbox progression is the same as themepark progression as it pertains to groups) isn't valid.  I can already think of a couple ways they could make.

 

"I am deeply skeptical that they would be changing everything we know about combat somehow....it's almost all been done before, which means it will be common-place for all of us."

 

O, and my personal favorite, about 2 weeks before the reveal you said:

 

"everyone is hoping for a sandbox, get ready to be disappointed..."

 

You are an intelligent person, and I will give you this: you did state that PvP wasn't going to be one of the building blocks of EQN, but to state such a grandiose claim that you and others knew "exactly" what was going to come out in the reveal, was very wrong. At best, you made educated guesses, like the rest of us lowly folk, and just like us, you were wrong on most accounts.

 

Back on the topic on hand though, Knowing Blizzard, they will find a way to incorporate some of the key concepts of EQN, without infringing on copyrights. Its only natural that successful concepts get copied, and unsuccessful ones get dropped. Mainly, the emergent AI, and the auto quest systems are mayor "copy able" tools that can increase the playability of any MMO out there, and they would be fools to not try to implement these tools at least in part.

Wait a few months on that one, and you'll probably be adding it to his list of blunders...

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  Seeker728

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8/13/13 12:52:13 PM#62
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by jesusjuice69
 

Then you obviously don't know what a sandbox game is.

They said they were going hardcore sandbox, and they are delivering on that promise.

 

Who is this vast majority that don't want OW PvP?  Who are you to speak for this majority?

 

As I said before the game was "revealed" they aren't going to make it for hardcore players and they aren't going to "force" pvp on players who don't want it.

They already said that the game isn't for "the hardcore" audience and we are waiting on pvp info.

You may feel free to contact me and say "I told you so" when they reveal more info and I'm proven wrong but I feel extremely confident in my assessment that the game will be a sandbox with added elements to make the game more alive and give players who want it directions AND it won't force pvp on players regardless of those who think the game "has to have it because it's sandbox".

Time will tell but I am betting it will prove me right.

I always have mixed feelings about PvP.  FFA PvP is mostly grief style playing, either with gang mentality to ensure wins or exploitative ambushes and its only a masochist who enjoys being on the receiving end of that.  However some pvp I think is a good thing, and not that Arena crap that WoW came up with or a single zone that one farms independent from the rest of the game's content.  To this day i think that DAOC had the best model around, pre ToA.  So when people talk OW PvP as the best model, and claim they are a majority, I'd say the market is a better indicator as to what people like over some forumwarrior's  opinion.  

 

Blizz bought themselves out from activison? Activision was the main reason wow went to crap in the first place. Hopefully now that Blizzard is their own entity again titan might actually be worth watching.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activision_Blizzard

scroll to the bottom, Blizz dropped a hefty wad to insure they had significant controlling interest, was actually impressed by their move.

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  Shadowguy64

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8/13/13 1:22:24 PM#63

Copying is the best form of flattery.

 

And at the end of the day...do players REALLY care where the ideas come from? Maybe on the forums to argue about...but as far as the actual game...I could care less. I just want a fun game.

  Reklaw

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8/13/13 1:28:29 PM#64
Originally posted by Leiros
So, as I was watching the EQN reveal last week I couldn't help but imagine a group of Blizzard devs scribbling furiously with their pens and clipboards as the "new features" were being unveiled. Does anyone else feel like Blizzard is just waiting copy and then improve upon whatever EQN has to offer?

What I keep feeling is this: Blizzard already knew about EQN perhaps had some inside on the game itself before it was exposed and perhaps this was the reason they scrapped Titan for now and going to re-build their game. Because their games was to similar as to what EQN is bringing?

  Fionn

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8/13/13 8:28:11 PM#65
Originally posted by Reklaw
Originally posted by Leiros
So, as I was watching the EQN reveal last week I couldn't help but imagine a group of Blizzard devs scribbling furiously with their pens and clipboards as the "new features" were being unveiled. Does anyone else feel like Blizzard is just waiting copy and then improve upon whatever EQN has to offer?

What I keep feeling is this: Blizzard already knew about EQN perhaps had some inside on the game itself before it was exposed and perhaps this was the reason they scrapped Titan for now and going to re-build their game. Because their games was to similar as to what EQN is bringing?

I don't think Titan was even close to what EQN was bringing to the table.  I heard inside sources that Blizzard's Titan was basically a Civilization MMO.  You start out as barbarians in circa 3000 AD with wooden Axes and crap and work your way up through the centuries gaining technology until end game you are wielding future military tech and it turns into a FPS.

 

  Shadowguy64

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8/13/13 9:05:51 PM#66
Originally posted by Fionn
Originally posted by Reklaw
Originally posted by Leiros
So, as I was watching the EQN reveal last week I couldn't help but imagine a group of Blizzard devs scribbling furiously with their pens and clipboards as the "new features" were being unveiled. Does anyone else feel like Blizzard is just waiting copy and then improve upon whatever EQN has to offer?

What I keep feeling is this: Blizzard already knew about EQN perhaps had some inside on the game itself before it was exposed and perhaps this was the reason they scrapped Titan for now and going to re-build their game. Because their games was to similar as to what EQN is bringing?

I don't think Titan was even close to what EQN was bringing to the table.  I heard inside sources that Blizzard's Titan was basically a Civilization MMO.  You start out as barbarians in circa 3000 AD with wooden Axes and crap and work your way up through the centuries gaining technology until end game you are wielding future military tech and it turns into a FPS. 

 

That sounds interesting, even if it ended up not being true.

  grifj

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8/13/13 9:10:47 PM#67
I'm going to laugh if Blizzard releases an "old-school," more realistic graphics, tab-targeting game using a lot of the promising ideas being used in EQN, such as the emergent AI and world quests...  Despite my dislike for WoW, I would then become a Blizzard fanboi.  lol.
  Azphel

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8/14/13 1:20:20 AM#68
I was wide eyed for most of the reveal. But then Action Combat happened. And then the death of the Holy Trinity happened. And then my tears happened Q.Q

  loulaki

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8/14/13 5:12:39 AM#69
they have to copy and make it better, but guess they will just make it more cartoon-ish and they will add more pve elements and make it more themepark but for sure they will copy storybricks and i hope they will do, otherwise this project will be a mess ..

  Lawlmonster

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8/14/13 5:17:00 AM#70

If there was ever a monster who was lawlin' at the premise of Blizzard using EQN's design concepts for their Titan project, it would be this guy. Me, right here.

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  Sasami

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8/14/13 6:29:11 AM#71
Thanks, best joke of day OP.
  asdar

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8/14/13 6:38:23 AM#72

Maybe they're rename it from Titan to Everquest 3, I know I'd play.

Asdar

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8/14/13 6:44:41 AM#73
Does a bear crap in the woods? Of course they will, where did they get the idea for their last success from again?
  Rippley05

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8/14/13 11:36:44 AM#74

Copy what? What new ideas and features are you talking about?  So far I don't see much that is "new" and never been done. WoW has already had forms of destructible worlds that change, EQN may be taking it a step further...but is it really original? I highly doubt people are going to be lined up to copy this game. 

 

I will agree that I think a lot of MMOs took ideas from the original EQ. A lot were just more successful. The problem is, SoE has wanted to re-capture that magic for a long time and fail every time. It's unfortunate. I know it has to be hard, people basically want EQ with updated graphics....but they tried that with eq2 (maybe vanguard, I  never tried that game) and failed. I applaud SoE for trying, EQN looks to be the absolute worse of all the games they tried to make since EQ..but what choice did they really have? EQ2 and Vanguard had the realistic graphics but were obviously missing something else because they fizzled out. I actually liked eq2 for a long time myself, but the crowd was not there. It's just unfortunate that's it's come to this. 

  grifj

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8/14/13 11:43:43 AM#75
Originally posted by jesusjuice69
 

EQ Next is a pure sandbox. 

Sandbox is a niche market within the MMO genre.

 

They will sell a few million boxes, but they won't be able to retain that number of subs.

What was the last AAA Sandbox title?  Go on, I'll wait for you to answer.  SWG is the last one I can think of, and it did well... until SOE decided to NGE it.  UO before that was incredibly successful for its time.

Sandboxes are not niche.  Indie sandbox games with low budgets that target a specific market (PVPers, etc) are niche.

Oh, and a lot of people consider the Grand Theft Auto series to be a sandbox style game (although progression requires doing the missions, so I don't personally think of it as one)..  And that series has done okay.

  Miblet

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8/14/13 12:01:14 PM#76
Originally posted by Rippley05

I will agree that I think a lot of MMOs took ideas from the original EQ. A lot were just more successful. The problem is, SoE has wanted to re-capture that magic for a long time and fail every time. It's unfortunate. I know it has to be hard, people basically want EQ with updated graphics....but they tried that with eq2 (maybe vanguard, I  never tried that game) and failed. I applaud SoE for trying, EQN looks to be the absolute worse of all the games they tried to make since EQ..but what choice did they really have? EQ2 and Vanguard had the realistic graphics but were obviously missing something else because they fizzled out. I actually liked eq2 for a long time myself, but the crowd was not there. It's just unfortunate that's it's come to this. 

EQ and EQ2 were 2 different games.  That was one of the problems SOE had at launch with people leaving EQ to check out EQ2, discovering they didn't like it's direction (comically getting similar responses that you find about EQN and not being 'everquest' enough) and then leaving without returning to EQ (which back then was starting to show it's age not only in graphics but in how it's code was holding up).

Vanguard was just a mess.   Badly organised budgets and management etc.  It had great ideas and plans but that alone couldn't save it from it's launch state (much like how AoC never recovered from it's distasterous first month, and that could have been argued to have been in a more release ready state).

I daresay though that if anything proves popular in EQN you WILL see it in some iteration in other games, it is after all how the industry works.  Whether a game will copy the while package though would be doubtful in the near future.  If the game takes off and becomes as successful as SOE seem to hope it will then you guarantee the term EQN clone will start floating around these very forums.

  Mardy

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8/14/13 12:09:09 PM#77
Originally posted by Kyleran
Titan will release to market one month after EQN and history will repeat itself. Most likely in the month of November.

 

That's an interesting flashback.  If people remember when EQ2 launched 1 month before WoW, people flooded into EQ2, then when WoW released a big portion of those players went with WoW instead.  EQ1 players went back to EQ1, rest like me went to WoW and didn't bother with EQ2 again until after 2 years of constant revamps by SOE.

 

People writing Blizzard off should be careful.  Blizzard has knocked SOE off the throne once, in a decisive victory, and it has held onto the throne for almost 10 years since.   As far as I'm concerned, Blizzard is still in the driver's seat.  It's obvious their talent went from WoW's dev team to Titan's dev team.  I'm fully expecting a good, quality game from Blizzard as they've always shown us they're capable of delivering.  

 

SOE has not shown me they're capable of big time any longer.  SOE hasn't had a top 5 game in the U.S. or the world since 2004.  Most of their recent ventures have been failures.  We're talking about DCUO, Planetside 2, etc.  Smed will be happy if they're able to string some players along, just long enough for them to purchase some station cash items.  People jumping on EQN bandwagon just must have selective memory.  If this was any other company, I may have higher hopes for EQN's future.  But it is SOE, and SOE just hasn't been a big time player in the MMORPG genre for quite awhile.

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  jesteralways

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8/14/13 12:24:28 PM#78
Originally posted by Leiros
So, as I was watching the EQN reveal last week I couldn't help but imagine a group of Blizzard devs scribbling furiously with their pens and clipboards as the "new features" were being unveiled. Does anyone else feel like Blizzard is just waiting copy and then improve upon whatever EQN has to offer?

"New features"? which one? combat? done by GW2. removal of trinity? done by GW2. dynamic events? being done for years. The new AI? it is work of Storybricks and it is being worked on for years. the only thing that actually sounds interesting is "destructible world", again which i am sure will not be how they have described it. will players be able to destroy the capital/hometown of a certain race and build their own castle on it and claim themselves as "king of trolls" or "conqueror of elves"? i guess not. you will still have to find a breakable  terrain in certain places of world to break and explore further. this kind of things have been done by many other games before but in "instances", SOE will just remove the "instanced barrier". and castle building/crushing is an old thing. so what is new? other than the "Next" in the title? even their boasting about "how this will be the next big thing" is old hat. i rally want to find something new but i guess until some japanese genius develops a Virtual MMO we are stuck with these re-skinned "new features".

i want a open world, no phasing, no instancing.i want meaningful owpvp.i want player driven economy.i want meaningful crafting.i want awesome exploration, a sense of thrill.i want ow housing with a meaningful effect on my entire gameplay experience, not just some instanced crap.i want all of these free of cost, i don't wanna pay you a cent, game devs can eat grass and continue developing game for me.
Seems like that is the current consensus of western mmo players.

  Purutzil

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8/14/13 12:31:27 PM#79

Of course! Everquest was the meat and bones of what they took to create WoW! Why wouldn't they!

 

Joking aside (well the of course part, we can't deny Wow was heavily inspired and designed after EQ) i'd say its a good likelihood it will take elements from EQN if the type of game they create is similiar to it in design. Blizzard has a habit of doing this a lot, its hard to name a single feature NOT taken from another game and adapted to a degree for their own.  

 

That being said, I feel that what they will take from EQN will be less then what they had from EQ1. EQ1 really set a foundation when there wasn't much of one out there. With so many games around and the foundation already in place, its very likely titan will use aspects from EQN but also from other games to create another world. It will be interesting to see how it turns out in the end though. Blizzards track record as of late has been... well... less then stellar. They aren't as 'renowned' as they use to be with many terribly decisions as of late and having to rely on the steam of their past success to keep their fires going, something that we have seen lately with things like wow subs to be fading far faster then it ever has in the past.

  Nadia

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8/14/13 12:32:09 PM#80
Originally posted by Seeker728

Blizz bought themselves out from activison? Activision was the main reason wow went to crap in the first place. Hopefully now that Blizzard is their own entity again titan might actually be worth watching.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activision_Blizzard

scroll to the bottom, Blizz dropped a hefty wad to insure they had significant controlling interest, was actually impressed by their move.

Kotick is still a strong presence in Activision/Blizzard

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Kotick

A frequent complaint from the gaming press is the gap between Kotick and Activision's chief consumers. Ars Technica editor Ben Kuchera wrote, "Kotick doesn't play his games, and it shows."[16] Video game developer Tim Schafer called Kotick a "total prick" in reference to his negative attitude towards games.[21] However, gaming blog Kotaku reported that Kotick confessed to a passion for video games that "has never really gone away," and "rattle[d] off an impressive list of consoles he's owned in the past and games he loved."[5]

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