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  poefue

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Joined: 2/26/07
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8/12/13 1:21:39 PM#21
I will see all of you all on launch day!
  AwDiddums

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Joined: 6/09/12
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8/12/13 1:22:37 PM#22
Originally posted by Vivasvan

Funnily enough this was the most anticipated game I was looking forward to for years.  Been following it for years. The early screenshots of towns villages faces made me think we were in for a treat. And then SOE Live happened. 

 

Now it's something I don't mind ignoring alltogether.  It's wierd because it was only the People that played EQ that were most interested in this. If Sony did it right they would have had that customer base with ease. 

 

Now if EQ lovers themselves won't play this game who will? The f2p crowd that jumps on the latest MMO that is produced? Is this what Sony cater for. ? . Or does Sony think WoW players will leave there beloved rich game full of raids / pvp / regular updates for a game that looks similar to wow? 

 

 

I'm not sure what market this is aimed at but it will not be a huge success or the saviour of mmos or the next generation of mmos. It might have been if they didnt have the ridiculous graphics that even my 15 yr old cousin is ashamed to touch.  

 

Most EQ lovers are older now they would have loved to visit Norrath again. I myself was.  I have a nephew who loves mmos too. He himself wanted to try it. Although he had no idea what EQ was (he is from the wow created MMO era).  He said he will pass and wait for ESO. Why? Because the graphics are a turn off and is bored of button bashing mmos from the iPhone to gw2. 

 

We can see what's happening here .. People of all types hate to play cartoon capers regardless of how many went to watch lion king. Playing lion king is not the same. 

 

Who would have thought the next incarnation of one of the greatest mmos would be likened to disney. 

 

If I were Sony I would do exactly what blizzard did with Titan and not bother with this. Save your time and your money.  Go back to the drawing board or your in for a big loss making online game. 

 

if people want to experience EQ then I'm afraid....we have to play EQ1. 

 

They could suddenly turn this around of Ofc.    Get rid of the cartoon characters and using the same voxel graphics make them look at least less stupid/childish/disneyish. And add the trinity system with raiding of many kinds including lair style with pvp and dont make it F2P - THEN you might have a winner. 

 

Otherwise Sony dont bother with this. 

This whole post reminds me of a Simpsons episode, the one where Homer finds his long lost half-brother who happens to be wealthy and allows Homer to build the next dream car, and ofc Homer builds the car that HE thinks everyone else wants, it's a huge flop and Homers half-brother ends up losing it all.

@ the OP when you've got the know-how and the capital behind you then I'm sure you could build the MMO of your dreams, for now though your going to have to either suck it up and play EQNext when it comes out (and lets be honest nearly all those against the game will give it a try out of curiosity) or just head off to play something else.

It's already been mentioned here but graphics does not make a great game (Minecraft)

  Arclan

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8/12/13 1:23:47 PM#23

Agree with the OP 100%. Although I will at least give EQN a shot when it launches; but won't spend any $ in the cash shop since I don't support F2P.

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  ZDPhoenix

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Joined: 11/30/07
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8/12/13 1:24:03 PM#24

I've been playing since Planes of Power and I couldn't agree less with your opinion, or subjective rationalization.

I'm looking forward to something new, just like I did when I left Ultima Online for EQ back in 2002/2003.

And if it turns away people who only want an Old School EQ game, I'm alright with that; because essentially... if I want to play Classic EverQuest, I hop on Firiona Vie and go to my favorite zones from there.

  Wakygreek

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Joined: 4/30/08
Posts: 1244

Reason is a necessity

8/12/13 1:24:14 PM#25
I am sorry, but i dont agree with you at all. In fact I don't see what your issue with this aside from the aesthetics? I have been part of EQ since it launched in 1999, and while I love EQ I also understand that the EQ franchise is similar to Final Fantasy as in they are only alike in name from one to the next. I would rather have read reasons as to why you thought the game was not going to work, mentioning that it looks like disney is rather weak.
  Shadanwolf

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Joined: 6/13/10
Posts: 1880

8/12/13 1:25:52 PM#26
Originally posted by moosecatlol

I've never seen a larger group more anally-tender due to character design anywhere else in the history of mmo's. You could be working on a client side texture pack instead of complaining about it. You have to consider the efficiency of stylized character design in a game that uses SOEmote.

 

Does the OP actually care about game design or is he just whining about things not being the way he wants?

NO..the op is trying to save Sony from the same thing thats happened to Planetside 2...server consolidation in less than a year after launch.Thats what happens when you don't bother  or don't know how  to listen to consumers....or as Sony does..it owns a console business....Playstation.

So we get console graphics.....for a game whose core is PC users.

 

  Hjamnr

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Joined: 3/29/13
Posts: 174

8/12/13 1:26:11 PM#27
Originally posted by AwDiddums
Originally posted by Vivasvan

Funnily enough this was the most anticipated game I was looking forward to for years.  Been following it for years. The early screenshots of towns villages faces made me think we were in for a treat. And then SOE Live happened. 

 

Now it's something I don't mind ignoring alltogether.  It's wierd because it was only the People that played EQ that were most interested in this. If Sony did it right they would have had that customer base with ease. 

 

Now if EQ lovers themselves won't play this game who will? The f2p crowd that jumps on the latest MMO that is produced? Is this what Sony cater for. ? . Or does Sony think WoW players will leave there beloved rich game full of raids / pvp / regular updates for a game that looks similar to wow? 

 

 

I'm not sure what market this is aimed at but it will not be a huge success or the saviour of mmos or the next generation of mmos. It might have been if they didnt have the ridiculous graphics that even my 15 yr old cousin is ashamed to touch.  

 

Most EQ lovers are older now they would have loved to visit Norrath again. I myself was.  I have a nephew who loves mmos too. He himself wanted to try it. Although he had no idea what EQ was (he is from the wow created MMO era).  He said he will pass and wait for ESO. Why? Because the graphics are a turn off and is bored of button bashing mmos from the iPhone to gw2. 

 

We can see what's happening here .. People of all types hate to play cartoon capers regardless of how many went to watch lion king. Playing lion king is not the same. 

 

Who would have thought the next incarnation of one of the greatest mmos would be likened to disney. 

 

If I were Sony I would do exactly what blizzard did with Titan and not bother with this. Save your time and your money.  Go back to the drawing board or your in for a big loss making online game. 

 

if people want to experience EQ then I'm afraid....we have to play EQ1. 

 

They could suddenly turn this around of Ofc.    Get rid of the cartoon characters and using the same voxel graphics make them look at least less stupid/childish/disneyish. And add the trinity system with raiding of many kinds including lair style with pvp and dont make it F2P - THEN you might have a winner. 

 

Otherwise Sony dont bother with this. 

This whole post reminds me of a Simpsons episode, the one where Homer finds his long lost half-brother who happens to be wealthy and allows Homer to build the next dream car, and ofc Homer builds the car that HE thinks everyone else wants, it's a huge flop and Homers half-brother ends up losing it all.

@ the OP when you've got the know-how and the capital behind you then I'm sure you could build the MMO of your dreams, for now though your going to have to either suck it up and play EQNext when it comes out (and lets be honest nearly all those against the game will give it a try out of curiosity) or just head off to play something else.

It's already been mentioned here but graphics does not make a great game (Minecraft)

Invalidated yourself with that red and underlined part.

Let's be done with the "you go make something better, neener neener." trope already.  You don't have to be an Olympian to know that the guy's doing it wrong when he trips over every-other hurdle.

  Menevenen

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Joined: 8/10/13
Posts: 30

8/12/13 1:28:16 PM#28
Originally posted by Shadanwolf
Originally posted by moosecatlol

I've never seen a larger group more anally-tender due to character design anywhere else in the history of mmo's. You could be working on a client side texture pack instead of complaining about it. You have to consider the efficiency of stylized character design in a game that uses SOEmote.

 

Does the OP actually care about game design or is he just whining about things not being the way he wants?

NO..the op is trying to save Sony from the same thing thats happened to Planetside 2...server consolidation in less than a year after launch.Thats what happens when you don't bother  or don't know how  to listen to consumers....or as Sony does..it owns a console business....Playstation.

So we get console graphics.....for a game whose core is PC users.

Good post.

  Ecoces

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Joined: 7/25/11
Posts: 812

8/12/13 1:29:59 PM#29

hey look its the honey badger avatar guy!

 

anyway you really think this game will fail because of the art direction? really? do you know how many millions of players play minecraft? and everything in that game is made of boxes. Im not saying i like the Art direction as i usually prefer more of a Darker theme but to say this game will fail because of the art direction is beyond silly to me.

 

as for the other point saying they wont have the eq playerbase. the developers have always said they didn't want to take the playerbase away from EQ1 or EQ2, that they wanted to gain a new playerbase, which as we have seen is NOT the WoW playerbase but the minecraft playerbase.

  Slukjan

Apprentice Member

Joined: 3/10/11
Posts: 239

8/12/13 1:30:24 PM#30
the disney graphics made a sour first impression.  i wish they  made a spiritual succesor to EQ1 and not an entirely new different game.  they could have made there current vision of eqnext and just called it <fantasy mmo name>.  have all the features and graphics and if its good people would play it.  then that would free up the eq ip to be used for a game more akin to eq1...
  Burntvet

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Joined: 11/16/07
Posts: 2775

8/12/13 1:31:38 PM#31
Originally posted by Lidane
I love how a game can be completely written off while it's clearly still in development. We must have a lot of psychics on these boards who know exactly what the game is going to look like and play like when it launches. Either that or someone here has a TARDIS and has seen the future.

Well, Smedly seems to have a  re-tardis for all the bad decisions he and SOE has made with this title.

And it makes no damn sense: why use the EQ name (presumably to try to get fans of the franchise interested) and then have the new game have nothing or not much in common with the previous two titles in the series? It is almost as if they want to alienate their "loyal" customers.

I would wonder who the hell SOE is trying to target with this title (because it is surely not EQ fans) but then, one look at the design and the whole thing screams console. Just like DCUO. Just like PS2.

 

SOE should just say they are getting out of the PC MMO business and be done with it.

 

 

  Madcater

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Joined: 5/23/04
Posts: 17

8/12/13 1:32:52 PM#32
OP yes i hear you lots of us old school Eq1 and Eq2 players agree Iam in a huge guild want a game like the good old days but with new graphics .Hold out for titan they may listen.
  Wakygreek

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Joined: 4/30/08
Posts: 1244

Reason is a necessity

8/12/13 1:32:57 PM#33
Originally posted by Menevenen
Originally posted by Shadanwolf
Originally posted by moosecatlol

I've never seen a larger group more anally-tender due to character design anywhere else in the history of mmo's. You could be working on a client side texture pack instead of complaining about it. You have to consider the efficiency of stylized character design in a game that uses SOEmote.

 

Does the OP actually care about game design or is he just whining about things not being the way he wants?

NO..the op is trying to save Sony from the same thing thats happened to Planetside 2...server consolidation in less than a year after launch.Thats what happens when you don't bother  or don't know how  to listen to consumers....or as Sony does..it owns a console business....Playstation.

So we get console graphics.....for a game whose core is PC users.

Good post?

Fixed.

  wizardanim

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Joined: 1/24/07
Posts: 279

8/12/13 1:33:47 PM#34
Originally posted by Hjamnr
Originally posted by AwDiddums
Originally posted by Vivasvan

<snip>

It's already been mentioned here but graphics does not make a great game (Minecraft)

Invalidated yourself with that red and underlined part.

Let's be done with the "you go make something better, neener neener." trope already.  You don't have to be an Olympian to know that the guy's doing it wrong when he trips over every-other hurdle.

You invalidated yourself with that red and underlined part.

The hurdles need to be designed and placed on the track.  No game has consolidated so many features into one product before on an MMO scale.  I am not saying it will succeed, but I expect a large attendance at launch.  The games success will be determined at that point, not now.

  EQAbner

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Joined: 7/01/13
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8/12/13 1:34:11 PM#35

While I do understand your concerns. It's just too early. Let's all give it a try and then decide!

 

And then if you don't like it I'll take your stuff. k tks bye.

  donpopuki

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8/12/13 1:34:21 PM#36
I like the art direction. In my opinion I prefer the art style better than ESO. I also don't care that it is F2P because all the F2P games never bothered me.
  rygard49

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8/12/13 1:36:26 PM#37

The biggest problem people have with games nowadays is expecting that they'd be like another game that they enjoyed.

Stop it. Once you stop viewing new title announcements with preconceived notions of what it should have been, you can focus on what it is, and make your conclusions from there.

Art is, of course, totally subjective, so if that's a turn off for you then fine. But EQ1 has incredibly cartoony art, and the style of EQN isn't far off. Don't try to sell us that you were a fan of EQ1, but refuse to play EQN because it's too cartoony.

  Victor_Kruger

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8/12/13 1:38:11 PM#38
A lot of EQ players are looking forward to the new game, go to the Round Table forums on EQ Next site to see how active it is. The people who have written off the game completely are a small minority. 
  User Deleted
8/12/13 1:49:59 PM#39

Well if you can find a way to make the graphics as blocky, distorted and ugly as EQ1 at launch... you won't be able to tell the difference and then you can happily play the game...

 

I mean ... I'm not going to say you're wrong because its your opinion so you can't be wrong.   However, if you think that Sony Corp is gonna put down the $$ to redo the art assets and possibly alienate what would have been an even bigger SC buying base... I have my doubts on that one.   I guess anything is possible.... *.*

  donpopuki

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8/12/13 1:51:23 PM#40
Seriously folks its Zelda Wind Waker all over again.
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