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  Dihoru

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8/10/13 4:00:31 PM#61
What is it with humans today that they place such a high value in the form and not the substance? The only place where the outward visual appearance of something matters is in math when you're looking at analyzing a function's graph to determine certain parameters, anything else isn't opinion or taste it is pure stupidity (due note when it comes to people outward appearance could matter if it indicates mental instability but even here it should be applied only in a objective manner).

  vidiotking

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Joined: 4/05/08
Posts: 520

one in the bush is better than one in the hand.

8/10/13 4:02:56 PM#62
Originally posted by Dihoru
What is it with humans today that they place such a high value in the form and not the substance? The only place where the outward visual appearance of something matters is in math when you're looking at analyzing a function's graph to determine certain parameters, anything else isn't opinion or taste it is pure stupidity (due note when it comes to people outward appearance could matter if it indicates mental instability but even here it should be applied only in a objective manner).

Have you ever even met a human?

  Daaken

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Joined: 8/01/13
Posts: 160

“It is better to fail in originality than to succeed in imitation.”

8/10/13 4:06:52 PM#63
Originally posted by Onomas
Originally posted by vidiotking

Are people just being difficult? Do you not want to understand what others are saying?

EQN looks like a disney cartoon, i.e. a kids game.

EQ 'vets' think it should look like a game catered more to adults.

Two way street. I am also an old gamer, and dislike cartoony graphics. But EQN does not look too cartoony nor unrealistic.

And graphics are a poor excuse to shoot the game down. As older gamers its more about content, features, freedom, etc. I care less about the graphics as long as I don't have to suffer through another new aged wow clone cookie cutter mmo with the entitlement era kids wanting everything dumbed down and easy.

Roughly........

 OMG this.

 

I've said time and time again I'd play Tiddlywinks Online if the gameplay was amazing and offered me hard challenging content with a focus on a virtual world.  Great thing is EQN offers me most everything I've wanted from an MMO since Asheron's Call and the last thing I will complain about is how it looks.

Random Forum Poster: I want an MMO that is different, original and fun.

Me: So you want something like EQN

Them: Nah dude, I want a Holy Trinity, Tab Target combat, Instanced Raiding, and Rigid classes.

Me: Double Facepalm.

  vidiotking

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Joined: 4/05/08
Posts: 520

one in the bush is better than one in the hand.

8/10/13 4:12:10 PM#64
Originally posted by Daaken
Originally posted by Onomas
Originally posted by vidiotking

Are people just being difficult? Do you not want to understand what others are saying?

EQN looks like a disney cartoon, i.e. a kids game.

EQ 'vets' think it should look like a game catered more to adults.

Two way street. I am also an old gamer, and dislike cartoony graphics. But EQN does not look too cartoony nor unrealistic.

And graphics are a poor excuse to shoot the game down. As older gamers its more about content, features, freedom, etc. I care less about the graphics as long as I don't have to suffer through another new aged wow clone cookie cutter mmo with the entitlement era kids wanting everything dumbed down and easy.

Roughly........

 OMG this.

 

I've said time and time again I'd play Tiddlywinks Online if the gameplay was amazing and offered me hard challenging content with a focus on a virtual world.  Great thing is EQN offers me most everything I've wanted from an MMO since Asheron's Call and the last thing I will complain about is how it looks.

So, the last thing you would complain about is how it looks, but you would complain about it? People don't like the way it looks, is that so hard to understand.... Isn't that  a valid complaint?

  Distopia

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Joined: 11/22/05
Posts: 15347

"what a boring life, HATING everything" -Gorilla Biscuits

8/10/13 4:17:36 PM#65
Originally posted by vidiotking
 

So, the last thing you would complain about is how it looks, but you would complain about it? People don't like the way it looks, is that so hard to understand.... Isn't that  a valid complaint?

This isn't twitter or facebook, valid or not it's going to be dissected, if you don't want your opinions and tastes to become the topic, don't bring them here as a topic.

For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

It is a sign of a defeated man, to attack at ones character in the face of logic and reason- Me

  vidiotking

Apprentice Member

Joined: 4/05/08
Posts: 520

one in the bush is better than one in the hand.

8/10/13 4:21:08 PM#66
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by vidiotking
 

So, the last thing you would complain about is how it looks, but you would complain about it? People don't like the way it looks, is that so hard to understand.... Isn't that  a valid complaint?

This isn't twitter, valid or not it's going to be dissected, if you don't want your opinions and tastes to become the topic, don't bring them here as a topic.

Heh. I understand that this is where ideas and opinions get disected. I guess I'm just misunderstanding folks. You understand both sides of the argument. You just refuse to lend any credence to the other side?

  Heretique

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Joined: 2/02/07
Posts: 956

Most of my posts get deleted.

8/10/13 4:21:09 PM#67
Originally posted by vidiotking
Originally posted by Daaken
Originally posted by Onomas
Originally posted by vidiotking

Are people just being difficult? Do you not want to understand what others are saying?

EQN looks like a disney cartoon, i.e. a kids game.

EQ 'vets' think it should look like a game catered more to adults.

Two way street. I am also an old gamer, and dislike cartoony graphics. But EQN does not look too cartoony nor unrealistic.

And graphics are a poor excuse to shoot the game down. As older gamers its more about content, features, freedom, etc. I care less about the graphics as long as I don't have to suffer through another new aged wow clone cookie cutter mmo with the entitlement era kids wanting everything dumbed down and easy.

Roughly........

 OMG this.

 

I've said time and time again I'd play Tiddlywinks Online if the gameplay was amazing and offered me hard challenging content with a focus on a virtual world.  Great thing is EQN offers me most everything I've wanted from an MMO since Asheron's Call and the last thing I will complain about is how it looks.

So, the last thing you would complain about is how it looks, but you would complain about it? People don't like the way it looks, is that so hard to understand.... Isn't that  a valid complaint?

It's a valid opinion when someone doesn't like the look of it. But seeing as we haven't seen anything more than a tech demo, graphics or "cartoony" is not a valid complaint to trash the game as a whole.

Originally posted by salsa41
are you have problem ?

  Drakynn

Novice Member

Joined: 3/02/08
Posts: 2051

8/10/13 4:22:06 PM#68
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by vidiotking
 

So, the last thing you would complain about is how it looks, but you would complain about it? People don't like the way it looks, is that so hard to understand.... Isn't that  a valid complaint?

This isn't twitter or facebook, valid or not it's going to be dissected, if you don't want your opinions and tastes to become the topic, don't bring them here as a topic.

This.

Your on a public forum,you can express any opinion you wish as long as it doesn't infringe on forum rules,but people can give their opinion of your opinion and so on.If you can't take that you need to not post and probably not read.

  vidiotking

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Joined: 4/05/08
Posts: 520

one in the bush is better than one in the hand.

8/10/13 4:23:48 PM#69

It's a valid opinion when someone doesn't like the look of it. But seeing as we haven't seen anything more than a tech demo, graphics or "cartoony" is not a valid complaint to trash the game as a whole.

Yes! I agree with this whole heartedly! However, for some people, at times myself included, graphics alone can ruin a game.

I have never dated a brunette. 

Realize, I think EQN looks(graphics included) pretty damn promising.

  doc_shevek

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Joined: 8/10/13
Posts: 21

 
OP  8/10/13 4:26:18 PM#70

I often don't post on forums because people are not actually willing to discuss views they disagree with. Instead, people are claiming I am a graphics whore and gameplay is king. So, rather than engage in a discussion about those concerns it is far simpler to attack the concerns themselves and make them seem trivial. If you find the concern to be trivial, you should just avoid the thread.

For example, if I am at a bus stop and two men are having an animated discussion over whether or not a sports team is any good, I would not interject if I found the conversation to be frivolous. "Hey, sports is dumb! real men discuss foreign policy!" However, if I felt I had a valid insight into their discussion, then I would chime in and hope to elevate their discussion beyond mere argument.

  Uproar

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Joined: 2/19/04
Posts: 406

I was once Tailrot, Uproar, Bandage, Thus(tin) Hammered, Rock, and so many more. Aye gamerest.

8/10/13 4:26:38 PM#71
Originally posted by Shadowguy64
Originally posted by Drakynn
Originally posted by Shadowguy64

Doc, I'm glad you posted this. I've been waiting for someone to finally step forward and let us know they are displeased at the direction of the game, particularly the stylized graphics.

 

Hopefully your courage will spread to others to voice their displeasure and SOE will take notice and scrap this game again  and just recreate EQ1 with updated graphics and a modern UI.  

You made me do a spit take you bastard!!! LOL

 

It's like they don't even see the 100 other threads stating the same thing! It's just crazy.

 Or the 100 other replies from a couple dozen of you.

  Drakynn

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Joined: 3/02/08
Posts: 2051

8/10/13 4:29:26 PM#72
Originally posted by vidiotking

It's a valid opinion when someone doesn't like the look of it. But seeing as we haven't seen anything more than a tech demo, graphics or "cartoony" is not a valid complaint to trash the game as a whole.

Yes! I agree with this whole heartedly! However, for some people, at times myself included, graphics alone can ruin a game.

I have never dated a brunette. 

Realize, I think EQN looks(graphics included) pretty damn promising.

I don't think any one said it wasn't a valid opinion most opinion are valid to the person expressing them.If you can't get past the graphics then you can't and should look elsewhere.

The problem most have is we've heard this complaint over and over which wouldn't be an issue if it was contained to one thread and discussed there but there's about 100 threads a day started by the same people saying the same thing they've been saying since the second with no new points.

It gets boring.

  Fionn

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Joined: 5/18/04
Posts: 69

8/10/13 4:32:06 PM#73

I think the game looks fantastic graphically.

Jolana - The Human Wizard had amazing facial changes via emotes, clothing and equipment worked very well together, hair and body movements looked natural unlike EQ2.

Keeshar - The Kerran Warrior has great physical prowess.  His larger shoulder equipment and movement all made for a great flow in character automation.  His abilities made him look strong, dexterous, and quick.  His facial expressions were outstanding when he growled, his lips snarled, and he licked his chops.

The automation of the characters when walking, running, sprinting, jumping all looked natural.  The spells, abilities, and equipment additions like Boots of the Zephyr all made the game look incredibly enjoyable to navigate.

The landscape and geology do NOT look cartoonish and look very fun and adventurous.  The mix of vertical and horizontal landscapes make the typography look very realistic and natural looking.  The day and night cycles only increase my desire to adventure in the world.

This looks awesome.

  vidiotking

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Joined: 4/05/08
Posts: 520

one in the bush is better than one in the hand.

8/10/13 4:33:26 PM#74
Originally posted by Drakynn
Originally posted by vidiotking

It's a valid opinion when someone doesn't like the look of it. But seeing as we haven't seen anything more than a tech demo, graphics or "cartoony" is not a valid complaint to trash the game as a whole.

Yes! I agree with this whole heartedly! However, for some people, at times myself included, graphics alone can ruin a game.

I have never dated a brunette. 

Realize, I think EQN looks(graphics included) pretty damn promising.

I don't think any one said it wasn't a valid opinion most opinion are valid to the person expressing them.If you can't get past the graphics then you can't and should look elsewhere.

The problem most have is we've heard this complaint over and over which wouldn't be an issue if it was contained to one thread and discussed there but there's about 100 threads a day started by the same people saying the same thing they've been saying since the second with no new points.

It gets boring.

This is much easier for me to understand. Thank You. Truly.

  Distopia

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"what a boring life, HATING everything" -Gorilla Biscuits

8/10/13 4:35:25 PM#75
Originally posted by vidiotking
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by vidiotking
 

So, the last thing you would complain about is how it looks, but you would complain about it? People don't like the way it looks, is that so hard to understand.... Isn't that  a valid complaint?

This isn't twitter, valid or not it's going to be dissected, if you don't want your opinions and tastes to become the topic, don't bring them here as a topic.

Heh. I understand that this is where ideas and opinions get disected. I guess I'm just misunderstanding folks. You understand both sides of the argument. You just refuse to lend any credence to the other side?

Heh, yeah that does happen, but I think that's human nature, look at any debate and you see the same. I don't really like EQN's art style either, though I couldn't care less about it in the grand scheme of things. The features are all I really care about. Which are so vague at this point I have no stance either way on EQN.

For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

It is a sign of a defeated man, to attack at ones character in the face of logic and reason- Me

  Shadowguy64

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Posts: 880

8/10/13 4:39:41 PM#76

Holy crap! I leave to go play a little EQ II and this thread has continued to grow!

 

I should start my own epic thread...I shall call it "My THREE Cents"...it'll be awesome!!!

  Daaken

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Joined: 8/01/13
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“It is better to fail in originality than to succeed in imitation.”

8/10/13 4:41:18 PM#77
Originally posted by vidiotking
Originally posted by Daaken
Originally posted by Onomas
Originally posted by vidiotking

Are people just being difficult? Do you not want to understand what others are saying?

EQN looks like a disney cartoon, i.e. a kids game.

EQ 'vets' think it should look like a game catered more to adults.

Two way street. I am also an old gamer, and dislike cartoony graphics. But EQN does not look too cartoony nor unrealistic.

And graphics are a poor excuse to shoot the game down. As older gamers its more about content, features, freedom, etc. I care less about the graphics as long as I don't have to suffer through another new aged wow clone cookie cutter mmo with the entitlement era kids wanting everything dumbed down and easy.

Roughly........

 OMG this.

 

I've said time and time again I'd play Tiddlywinks Online if the gameplay was amazing and offered me hard challenging content with a focus on a virtual world.  Great thing is EQN offers me most everything I've wanted from an MMO since Asheron's Call and the last thing I will complain about is how it looks.

So, the last thing you would complain about is how it looks, but you would complain about it? People don't like the way it looks, is that so hard to understand.... Isn't that  a valid complaint?

 Ever heard of this thing called figure of speech?  Do not twist or read into what I wrote when it's meant to be tongue in cheek.

 

I'll just keep it at this sense you failed to grasp the humor.  I could care less about graphics,,,,I'd play EQN if it was stickmen. 

 

Does that make it any more clear?

Random Forum Poster: I want an MMO that is different, original and fun.

Me: So you want something like EQN

Them: Nah dude, I want a Holy Trinity, Tab Target combat, Instanced Raiding, and Rigid classes.

Me: Double Facepalm.

  Heretique

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Most of my posts get deleted.

8/10/13 4:42:27 PM#78
Originally posted by doc_shevek

I often don't post on forums because people are not actually willing to discuss views they disagree with. Instead, people are claiming I am a graphics whore and gameplay is king. So, rather than engage in a discussion about those concerns it is far simpler to attack the concerns themselves and make them seem trivial. If you find the concern to be trivial, you should just avoid the thread.

For example, if I am at a bus stop and two men are having an animated discussion over whether or not a sports team is any good, I would not interject if I found the conversation to be frivolous. "Hey, sports is dumb! real men discuss foreign policy!" However, if I felt I had a valid insight into their discussion, then I would chime in and hope to elevate their discussion beyond mere argument.

Doc, I would advise to read your post over again because unfortunately that is how you come off as.

I played EQ1 when it first came out as well and I can agree without hesitation that the "world" and community that was built was grand. It would be hard to chime in when your opinion is set, it will constantly be an argument until AFTER people have seen what EQNext actually offers in the game to the 'T'.

As of right now there is not much but what SOE has shown us in their goals for the game, which to me sounds like they are creating a world where adventure will be on the top of the list (what we all had back in the beginning).

But when you say;

So, now we have EQ Next. To me, the cartoony graphics AND animations hint at a far different set of design goals. If they were really going for the same feeling of drawing me into the world, they would not design characters that looked children's cartoon figures (the kerran looks like Simba) or acted like them (whirlwind looks like what the Tazmanian Devil does). Do not get me wrong, I have no problem with graphics that stray from attempts at photorealism. However, they do not have to make characters look like objects one can find on Toys R' Us shelves.
To me, this idea of having characters teleport through the air, pounce around, and whirl about foolishly all while looking like children's cartoons tells me that the intended audience is certainly not me. I want a world to draw me in. I want to feel the oppresiveness of Neriak. I want to smell the stench of Oggok. I do not want to feel as if I am roaming through a Disney film. 

Moreover, I very much doubt that a game which looks like it was made for my 8 year old nephew to play will have things like required grouping, punitive death, non-instanced dungeons, rare spawns or the like. 

How can people have a discussion about this? Am I saying you're wrong - no. I don't know what the game will play like as I haven't seen anything more than a tech demo. But these are hard opinions to have a discussion about as it's the only opinion people want to use to get angry about and throw the game into the garbage (childish if you ask me). You either like it or you don't, there isn't much room at the moment to wiggle past that.

I would get into more but there is no point to do so, you've made up your mind and I do hope you find what you're looking for.

 

Originally posted by salsa41
are you have problem ?

  Drakynn

Novice Member

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Posts: 2051

8/10/13 4:42:46 PM#79
Originally posted by vidiotking
Originally posted by Drakynn
Originally posted by vidiotking

It's a valid opinion when someone doesn't like the look of it. But seeing as we haven't seen anything more than a tech demo, graphics or "cartoony" is not a valid complaint to trash the game as a whole.

Yes! I agree with this whole heartedly! However, for some people, at times myself included, graphics alone can ruin a game.

I have never dated a brunette. 

Realize, I think EQN looks(graphics included) pretty damn promising.

I don't think any one said it wasn't a valid opinion most opinion are valid to the person expressing them.If you can't get past the graphics then you can't and should look elsewhere.

The problem most have is we've heard this complaint over and over which wouldn't be an issue if it was contained to one thread and discussed there but there's about 100 threads a day started by the same people saying the same thing they've been saying since the second with no new points.

It gets boring.

This is much easier for me to understand. Thank You. Truly.

No worries...while I like the look of EQN's world I'm merely ambivalent  about  the character graphics.I can live with them as long as they are animated well and fluidly.I like the ideas of EQN but that's all they are right now I'm not sold on EQN at all unless those concepts become reality.

I understand being put off by graphics,it's why I don't play TSW for em while the models are fine the animations whilst fine individually don't flow well together and don't have any weight or impact during combat.I don't feel like I'm ever hitting anything or really combining attacks.I couldn't get past that like others can't get past EQN's look.

The difference is I don't flood the TSW forums with that one opinion and have moved on.

  Dihoru

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Joined: 1/11/06
Posts: 2686

8/10/13 4:42:55 PM#80
Originally posted by vidiotking
Originally posted by Dihoru
What is it with humans today that they place such a high value in the form and not the substance? The only place where the outward visual appearance of something matters is in math when you're looking at analyzing a function's graph to determine certain parameters, anything else isn't opinion or taste it is pure stupidity (due note when it comes to people outward appearance could matter if it indicates mental instability but even here it should be applied only in a objective manner).

Have you ever even met a human?

Of that type unfortunately yes though I have also met humans who transcend that level of spiritual immaturity. I find it fascinating honestly that one would care so much about the game's graphics and so little about the mechanics... it's akin to seeking a mate based solely on physical appearance which always ends with someone being gagged.

Also could you tell your Nation Aerospace and Space Administration organization to get their toy RC car off my lawn... they're tearing up the astrodunes.

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