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  Karteli

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8/01/12 1:38:17 PM#21
Originally posted by davestr1zl
Originally posted by Karteli

That is very vague.

So what is Pixel Space?

[graphics (computing)] The x,y coordinate space defined by the number of pixels in a computer's display area, with a pixel being a single unit of color on the screen. Most computer displays support several pixel configurations (800 x 600, 1024 x 768, 1600 x 1200, and so on). The more pixels there are, the smaller each pixel is for a given display size. Since a pixel is a piece of information, a configuration with more pixels can fit more information into a given display area.

 
 
 
All they are describing is a high res space mission, upping the X, Y particle effects or particle density on a 2-D display, for a visually appealing rail shooter?
 
People saw the term and thought, oh 3D space combat! .. but nothing indicates this, even the term definition is not what people wanted.
 
 

Nowhere does it indicate that what we are getting in space is 3D free-flight combat. That is what the players most definitely want, its what everyone is assuming it is, and its what I personally hope we get... But they dont indicate thats what we're getting.

All that it says is they are working on a big project for space, and that it is something completely different to what we currently have - it is revolutionary compared to the evolutionary steps of new missions.

All I'm saying is these new missions are not the space project they are working on. And again, whether or not we like what they end up giving us remains to be seen, but these missions are not it.

Fair enough outlook. I will agree that free flying 3-D space combat / space PVP is something we gamers would want .. and that would help sway my current unsubscribed status for sure (assuming it's any good and uses a reworked game engine).

 

Just a side note, not to start a war, but when you say "completely different to what we currently have", this implies a brand new game play experience.  What was said was a "completely different pixel space", which relates to pixel density by it's definition.  While a hi-res minigame (or whatever it actually is) would be different, it wouldn't be "completely" different, IMO, at least from what was said .. but it is promised to be revolutionary, whatever that subjective word usage means :-)

 

Bottom line is that Daniel Erickson's quote seems well crafted to be vague and lead to a lot of speculation as to what exactly he meant.

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
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  malroth67

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8/01/12 1:42:13 PM#22

I feel it is going to be 'revolutionary' in the fact of how many awesome ships will be in the cash shop coming lol j/k...sorta :)

  rygard49

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8/01/12 1:53:17 PM#23
Originally posted by malroth67

I feel it is going to be 'revolutionary' in the fact of how many awesome ships will be in the cash shop coming lol j/k...sorta :)

Actually that wouldn't surprise me at all, lol.

  SpottyGekko

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8/01/12 2:05:04 PM#24
Originally posted by davestr1zl
Originally posted by SpottyGekko
Originally posted by davestr1zl
 

Here, they talk about one of the new missions, and talk (more importantly) about the future of space combat... this 'project' they've been working on but havent yet revealed.

-----------------------------

In the future content trailer we saw the addition of a new space combat mission named “Space Station Assault.” Was this the secret space development you were talking about?

No.

Something different?

Yeah. It’s a very exciting space mission; it really feels different from the other ones. The flavor of the feel is very different when you’re trying to race through the middle of a space station and all that stuff. But it is at the core an evolution above the space game as it is.

What we’re talking about in the future is revolutionary. We’re talking about a completely different pixel space.

-----------------------------

Doesnt really get much more clear than that.

Whether or not it ends up being good, or ends up being what we expect/hope for, or if we see it any time soon is another issue, but they are working on something for space that is completely different to what they currently have.. not just more of the same missions.

You're right, it doesn't get much clearer than that.

It's just another space mission. But it's "exciting" and "different from the other ones". Still just another space mission.

 

Not sure what you're getting at exactly - did you read the entire quote?

Yes, I read the entire quote carefully. 

He describes a space mission, using the most lavish adjectives and hyperbole that anyone could possibly use to describe a space mission.

But it's still a space mission.

 

Nowhere does he say it's NOT a space mission.

 

If you ignore the opening words: "It's a very exciting space mission", and only focus on the later bits where he waxes lyrical about how it is evolutionary, revolutionary and a "whole different pixel space", then you might lose sight of the fact that he's talking about a space mission.

Not a whole new game.

  rygard49

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8/01/12 4:11:44 PM#25
Originally posted by SpottyGekko
Originally posted by davestr1zl
Originally posted by SpottyGekko
Originally posted by davestr1zl
 

Here, they talk about one of the new missions, and talk (more importantly) about the future of space combat... this 'project' they've been working on but havent yet revealed.

-----------------------------

In the future content trailer we saw the addition of a new space combat mission named “Space Station Assault.” Was this the secret space development you were talking about?

No.

Something different?

Yeah. It’s a very exciting space mission; it really feels different from the other ones. The flavor of the feel is very different when you’re trying to race through the middle of a space station and all that stuff. But it is at the core an evolution above the space game as it is.

What we’re talking about in the future is revolutionary. We’re talking about a completely different pixel space.

-----------------------------

Doesnt really get much more clear than that.

Whether or not it ends up being good, or ends up being what we expect/hope for, or if we see it any time soon is another issue, but they are working on something for space that is completely different to what they currently have.. not just more of the same missions.

You're right, it doesn't get much clearer than that.

It's just another space mission. But it's "exciting" and "different from the other ones". Still just another space mission.

 

Not sure what you're getting at exactly - did you read the entire quote?

Yes, I read the entire quote carefully. 

He describes a space mission, using the most lavish adjectives and hyperbole that anyone could possibly use to describe a space mission.

But it's still a space mission.

 

Nowhere does he say it's NOT a space mission.

 

If you ignore the opening words: "It's a very exciting space mission", and only focus on the later bits where he waxes lyrical about how it is evolutionary, revolutionary and a "whole different pixel space", then you might lose sight of the fact that he's talking about a space mission.

Not a whole new game.

You can't possibly be that bad at comprehending this quote. In the portion you're highlighting, he is clearly referring to a space mission... because he's being asked directly about the Space Station Assault space mission! . In the description he's talking about flying through a space station: "The flavor of the feel is very different when you’re trying to race through the middle of a space station and all that stuff."

The very last line of the quoted interview is the only line referring to their new space project.

 

  thamighty213

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8/01/12 4:17:00 PM#26

A lot of people put 2 and 2 together and got 3.

 

It all stems to a job listing that specifically wanted developers with flight sim and free form flight experience,   this job posting was by Lucasarts not Bioware.  I know 2 of xwing v tie and JTL's devs are on something at LC so expect a secret space project from Lucasarts perhaps but not SWTOR.

  tokini

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8/01/12 4:45:38 PM#27

cant wait to loop around that same space station a third, maybe even fourth time!!!!

  Karteli

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8/01/12 4:47:41 PM#28
Originally posted by thamighty213

A lot of people put 2 and 2 together and got 3.

 

It all stems to a job listing that specifically wanted developers with flight sim and free form flight experience,   this job posting was by Lucasarts not Bioware.  I know 2 of xwing v tie and JTL's devs are on something at LC so expect a secret space project from Lucasarts perhaps but not SWTOR.

Got a source for that?

 

The new Bioware is not about taking risks, and what people read into with 3-D space flight may simply be wishful thinking.  The risk would be how many new & returning customers would find a feature like this attractive, versus those who would just keep subscribing regardless of any new content.  Bioware was so fickle about non-WoW progression, non-WoW gameplay, and even SGRA (Same Gender Romance Arc's), that they tread over them so lightly to make everyone happy, while not doing anything at all different from other companies.

 

In Erickson's quote, he talks about details of implementation with pixel space, which is something to discuss only if it relies on enhancements to older features.  The core of a brand new feature was never touched on, which makes the notion a little fishy.  Viral misinformation rampant on the official forums may be what is going on here.  Viral misinformation is legit, whereas misrepresentation in official statements & interviews is not (hence why they are often times so elusive to the press).

 

That said, I would be very impressed if a risky new gameplay mode was implemented, but nothing so far seems to indicate this.  The few details released indicate it's essentially more of the same, to me.  Part of game retention is the Coming Soon (tm) approach, indirectly promising the world, just to keep the majority of players from unsubscribing.

 

edit: fixed typos

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
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Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  Demmi77

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Posts: 220

8/01/12 5:49:56 PM#29

quoted from the interview

 

 

In the future content trailer we saw the addition of a new space combat mission named “Space Station Assault.” Was this the secret space development you were talking about?

No.

Something different?

Yeah. It’s a very exciting space mission; it really feels different from the other ones. The flavor of the feel is very different when you’re trying to race through the middle of a space station and all that stuff. But it is at the core an evolution above the space game as it is.

What we’re talking about in the future is revolutionary. We’re talking about a completely different pixel space.

A different twist. Is that something we’ll see this year or next year?

Here or there.

Somewhere around. Stay tuned.

The future is always in motion.

 

-These guys dont know what they're doing. This year has been an utter disaster for bioware

  davestr1zl

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8/01/12 9:14:50 PM#30
Originally posted by rygard49
Originally posted by SpottyGekko
Originally posted by davestr1zl
Originally posted by SpottyGekko
Originally posted by davestr1zl
 

Here, they talk about one of the new missions, and talk (more importantly) about the future of space combat... this 'project' they've been working on but havent yet revealed.

-----------------------------

In the future content trailer we saw the addition of a new space combat mission named “Space Station Assault.” Was this the secret space development you were talking about?

No.

Something different?

Yeah. It’s a very exciting space mission; it really feels different from the other ones. The flavor of the feel is very different when you’re trying to race through the middle of a space station and all that stuff. But it is at the core an evolution above the space game as it is.

What we’re talking about in the future is revolutionary. We’re talking about a completely different pixel space.

-----------------------------

Doesnt really get much more clear than that.

Whether or not it ends up being good, or ends up being what we expect/hope for, or if we see it any time soon is another issue, but they are working on something for space that is completely different to what they currently have.. not just more of the same missions.

You're right, it doesn't get much clearer than that.

It's just another space mission. But it's "exciting" and "different from the other ones". Still just another space mission.

 

Not sure what you're getting at exactly - did you read the entire quote?

Yes, I read the entire quote carefully. 

He describes a space mission, using the most lavish adjectives and hyperbole that anyone could possibly use to describe a space mission.

But it's still a space mission.

 

Nowhere does he say it's NOT a space mission.

 

If you ignore the opening words: "It's a very exciting space mission", and only focus on the later bits where he waxes lyrical about how it is evolutionary, revolutionary and a "whole different pixel space", then you might lose sight of the fact that he's talking about a space mission.

Not a whole new game.

You can't possibly be that bad at comprehending this quote. In the portion you're highlighting, he is clearly referring to a space mission... because he's being asked directly about the Space Station Assault space mission! . In the description he's talking about flying through a space station: "The flavor of the feel is very different when you’re trying to race through the middle of a space station and all that stuff."

The very last line of the quoted interview is the only line referring to their new space project.

 

^ This, you're really not understanding the quote SpottyGekko, hence why i asked if you read it all. Yes, you're right, he talks about a space mission, he THEN talks about the space project.

  thamighty213

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8/02/12 2:40:37 AM#31
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by thamighty213

A lot of people put 2 and 2 together and got 3.

 

It all stems to a job listing that specifically wanted developers with flight sim and free form flight experience,   this job posting was by Lucasarts not Bioware.  I know 2 of xwing v tie and JTL's devs are on something at LC so expect a secret space project from Lucasarts perhaps but not SWTOR.

Got a source for that?

 

 

yeah sure :)  http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/09/15/lucasarts-hiring-for-new-aerial-combat-title/

  DKLond

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8/02/12 2:41:46 AM#32

What a bullshit deceitful post.

Clearly, the "space project" was meant to be more significant than this. However, I don't feel particularly secure that we'll ever see or hear about it. If anything, they either cancelled it - or are putting it on hold until they see how popular F2P becomes.

However, that's just guesswork. The OP "guessed" something and made it out as a fact. That's deceitful.

  MumboJumbo

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Veni, Vidi, Converti

8/02/12 3:16:44 AM#33
Originally posted by FrodoFragins

Who wants multiplayer space combat in a Star Wars game?

 

This was their biggest omission.  It was so dumb of them really.  The one thing they could offer that WOW couldn't.

This was the other side to the coin of wrong design: They should have had dual-avatars: Character + Ship.

  Rydeson

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8/02/12 3:38:25 AM#34
Originally posted by superniceguy

http://www.swtor.com/free

"

New Space Combat Missions

Fly your ship to victory in 10 challenging new Level 50+ Space Combat encounters.   "

 

YAWN!

Pretty much guessed it would be this and not fully fledged space as in SWG, STO, EVE etc

So what Bioware is doing is taking all the early easy space missions, and offering you a "hard" version for lvl 50's...????  

  Calerxes

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8/02/12 7:55:24 AM#35
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by rygard49

I don't see where this is their big space "project". This is just expanding established content.

Exactly! To us it is pathetic, but to EA/Bioware it is really super awesome!

 

Are you subbed to TOR? and are you using all you energy to try and bitch your way to a new SWG?

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  Karteli

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8/02/12 2:48:12 PM#36
Originally posted by thamighty213
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by thamighty213

A lot of people put 2 and 2 together and got 3.

 

It all stems to a job listing that specifically wanted developers with flight sim and free form flight experience,   this job posting was by Lucasarts not Bioware.  I know 2 of xwing v tie and JTL's devs are on something at LC so expect a secret space project from Lucasarts perhaps but not SWTOR.

Got a source for that?

 

 

yeah sure :)  http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/09/15/lucasarts-hiring-for-new-aerial-combat-title/

It's Lucasarts hiring, but at a time before 3-D space combat was being taken seriously by EA, because they believed their game as-is would be a runaway hit (article is September 2011).

 

Even if they were placing people on the Bioware team for EA, there is no indication what game the job posting was for.  Maybe it was to create an extra 10 revolutionary minigame rail shooters for TOR ..  Maybe it was for a different title all-together.

 

But the timing of the article seems off.  Too many "maybe's" lol

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  Raora

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8/07/13 10:37:52 PM#37
I have yet to take one step into space anything in swtor other than travel from planet to planet.
  simplius

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8/07/13 11:55:01 PM#38
Originally posted by Demmi77

quoted from the interview

 

 

In the future content trailer we saw the addition of a new space combat mission named “Space Station Assault.” Was this the secret space development you were talking about?

No.

Something different?

Yeah. It’s a very exciting space mission; it really feels different from the other ones. The flavor of the feel is very different when you’re trying to race through the middle of a space station and all that stuff. But it is at the core an evolution above the space game as it is.

What we’re talking about in the future is revolutionary. We’re talking about a completely different pixel space.

A different twist. Is that something we’ll see this year or next year?

Here or there.

Somewhere around. Stay tuned.

The future is always in motion.

 

-These guys dont know what they're doing. This year has been an utter disaster for bioware

this is so vague, it can mean anything, and its not legally binding

a smokescreen to confuse the public, and a morale booster for the player base

maybe this is the famous sssp, maybe not, we can only be sure , when they deliver something different

but note, he speaks of A Space mission,,as in ONE mission

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8/25/13 3:23:23 AM#39

There will never be space combat beyond the rail system in place today. It is time for everyone to FINALLY realize this. What people seem to want is a whole other game...this just isnt it nor will it ever be. 

 

SWTOR has appeal to some people in its as-is condition. They will feed those people and thats it. They have a minimal staff working on this game as it is. Where will the man hours or investment come from to make all the changes you people are wanting to see?

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  simplius

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8/26/13 2:45:33 AM#40

well, if it was successful, then EA would put more Money into it

seeing, how fast they pulled out the Cash, to get the other star wars rights, they do have lots of it

and, thats how you gauge the success of a game

success= the devs will reinvest, and other games will copy

no success= devs will stop the moneyflow, and the game will go in maintenance mode

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