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General Discussion  » So lets talk about this LIMITED ACTON BAR OF 8 SKILLS!!!!!! Just freakin 8 skills!!!!

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  uidCaustic

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8/06/13 8:51:37 AM#241
Original post is unclear.  Did you say 4?
  Terranah

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8/06/13 8:51:58 AM#242

Yeah as others have stated I think it's a console issue.  The problem I have with this is maybe a little off topic, but console players and pc players are not one and the same.  Sure there is crossover but people chose their medium to experience games for various reasons, and trying to appeal to all could be a bad move.

 

Another thing to consider is the companies resources have to naturally be split up if it is being offered on console.  And since we have two major consoles, XBone and Ps4, resources are not going to be fully utilized for pc.   Console is horrible for talking to others unless you have a keyboard or use voice programs.  As far as keyboard goes, having a keyboard and typing stuff on my coffee table would be really uncomfortable, and voice sucks for role play.  I don't necessarily mind voice if it's just guildies, but general chat with voice will be an abuse fest due to all the morons out there.

  xWraith

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8/06/13 8:58:09 AM#243
Originally posted by Kyleran
I'm not a fan of this design, but the decision has been made, likely to ensure good playability on consoles.

I'll have to adapt assuming other elements of the game interest me.

I have to say that I agree with this. It was hinted at more than enough times at the SOE event that it could come to the Playstation 4. In any case it's being designed to be controller friendly. All we can do is hope that they get it right, and that it is still enjoyable while being a simplified user interface. 

  Adokaum

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8/06/13 9:00:21 AM#244

Thinking more on the topic I've yet to come to a solid conclusion of what my opinion is on the limited skills. 

I don't know why we're all so mad at the limited weapon skills, me included. Thinking back on it while I was playing AoC and most other games for that matter you would only get a few primary attack skills. In this case there were 3-5 for my 2H as a Barbarian and then every few levels you'd just get an upgrade of those same skills. So technically I've just been spamming the same skills over and over for 3 years.  

I think I had Maybe 15 skills in total that I used all the time and that isn't all that much compared to majority of hotbar mmos. All the skills felt useful, especially as I mostly did PVP but they were just as useful in Raid scenarios.  I had to carefully time my buff activations with my burst opportunities, use stuns/kb to disable or interrupt the opposition while having anti cc of my own to avoid getting into those situations. I didn't feel overwhelmed by the number of skills and they were relatively easy to pull off quickly once properly bound. As useful as these skills were and after hearing the SOE team referencing Dota2 I thought maybe these skills didn't have to be on my skill bar. 

Most of these buffs/anti cc were instant casts and then SOE also mentions that gear will play a major role in skills etc. This makes me think they might have additional activated abilities on the gear it self, which is maybe why among other possible things they were referring to Dota2. Maybe this is wishful thinking but that technically does still use only 8 skills slots.

  Varthander

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8/06/13 9:01:48 AM#245
One thing i always hated from most MMO'S its the need to make multiple action bar's, on the bottom on the sides... eating your screen away, so i hope this "8 skills sistem" endures for long on.

  Dullahan

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8/06/13 9:21:38 AM#246
8 skills for 8 buttons.
 
 
Nuff said.

Played EQ, UO, DAoC, AO, WoW, EQII, Vanguard, Ryzom, Darkfall, Warhammer, Rift, MO, Tera, DFUW, Age of Wushu, NW2, ESO and many others I don't remember or care to admit.
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  thinlizzy

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8/06/13 9:49:00 AM#247

The post above is correct.

They have made this choice to suit console players.

SO... cheers to all you console MMO players you will be happy.

Because so much of everything else about this game is what MMO players have wanted for years.

 

For me, I guess its TESO and ArcheAge.

Untill some other developer works out that RTS play and dynamic worlds and quality AI and

difficult BUT accessible ( as in... dont have to play 12 hours strait to be involved) is the way to go

  Vidir

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8/06/13 12:04:22 PM#248
EQnext more and more sound like a GW2 clone to me witch I dont like.
  MadDemon64

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8/06/13 12:16:33 PM#249
Originally posted by Vidir
EQnext more and more sound like a GW2 clone to me witch I dont like.

Then don't play.  If you don't like it don't play it.  Nobody is forcing you to play it, so don't.

Everyone, please stop complaining.  If you don't like the way the game is turning out, then don't play it.  Or do.

Just stop complaining.

Since when is Tuesday a direction?

  Joekra

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8/06/13 12:21:11 PM#250
Originally posted by MadDemon64
Originally posted by Vidir
EQnext more and more sound like a GW2 clone to me witch I dont like.

Then don't play.  If you don't like it don't play it.  Nobody is forcing you to play it, so don't.

Everyone, please stop complaining.  If you don't like the way the game is turning out, then don't play it.  Or do.

Just stop complaining.

Or you give feedback to the devs and they might change their mind depending on how many people would agree with a change.

  ReallyNow10

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8/06/13 12:21:46 PM#251
I am wary of them limiting classes to two weapon sets, however the 4 + 4 approach to combat and utility skills is just fine.  I dislike having 30 buttons spread out across 4 action bars and my screen looking like the HUD (Heads Up Display) of a fighter jet.   I want to focus on the world and my surroundings, not button mashing.
  lizardbones

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8/06/13 12:23:29 PM#252


Originally posted by ReallyNow10
I am wary of them limiting classes to two weapon sets, however the 4 + 4 approach to combat and utility skills is just fine.  I dislike having 30 buttons spread out across 4 action bars and my screen looking like the HUD (Heads Up Display) of a fighter jet.   I want to focus on the world and my surroundings, not button mashing.


Er, yeah. What ^ said. Except for the sparkly vampire picture.

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  Thorkune

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8/06/13 12:24:40 PM#253
Originally posted by Lidane
 

So in other words, it's like EQ1. I clearly remember haivng only 8 slots to work with back then. It forced me to make choices and decide which skills and spells were the most valuable for whatever I was doing at the time.

What's the problem again?

I like it as well. In WoW I would have all action bars showing and had them all full of junk that I hardly ever used. I too prefer a limited number of slots as it makes you decide which is most important for your play style.

  lizardbones

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8/06/13 12:24:45 PM#254


Originally posted by Joekra

Originally posted by MadDemon64

Originally posted by Vidir EQnext more and more sound like a GW2 clone to me witch I dont like.
Then don't play.  If you don't like it don't play it.  Nobody is forcing you to play it, so don't. Everyone, please stop complaining.  If you don't like the way the game is turning out, then don't play it.  Or do. Just stop complaining.
Or you give feedback to the devs and they might change their mind depending on how many people would agree with a change.



Depends on how much it would cost too. They aren't going to spend a million dollars on something if what they have works just fine. Especially when what they have is something that is tailored for the future plans of the game. Like releasing the game on consoles.

For every large, complex problem, there is a simple, clear solution that also happens to be absolutely wrong.

  Sephastus

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8/06/13 12:25:07 PM#255
Originally posted by Vidir
EQnext more and more sound like a GW2 clone to me witch I dont like.

There needs to be a community initiated Ban on trollers like this. Your past couple dozen posts have said this mis-information over and over, and you seem to not care when people correctly correct you.

 

EQN Is not a clone of QW2. I wish certain people could be flagged as chain mis-information spammers.

 

If its an opinion, they can say it all they want, but if it's straight up mis-information, then they should be flagged as having done this with a different color name or font that they can't change.

  Coman

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8/06/13 12:29:31 PM#256
Originally posted by DeserttFoxx

Not sure why this new generation of gamers are so into this MOBA style of gaming for their MMO.

 

8 skills to chose from doesnt suddenly mean the game is deep and engaging. Less is more principal doesnt apply here. I remembe rhaving 50+ skills in everquest 2, even more then that in WoW, and Aion. Yet you want me to play a game for months, even years, knowng ill only have 8 skills to work with because there is some tactical element to it?

 

I wonder how well that is workng for guild wars 2...

Considering a lot of people have mention EQ had this. I would say this is not a new generation of gamers thing, but an old concept. 

  Manakar

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8/06/13 12:32:22 PM#257
Originally posted by ReallyNow10
I am wary of them limiting classes to two weapon sets, however the 4 + 4 approach to combat and utility skills is just fine.  I dislike having 30 buttons spread out across 4 action bars and my screen looking like the HUD (Heads Up Display) of a fighter jet.   I want to focus on the world and my surroundings, not button mashing.

That's just a lame excuse passed down by devs trying to dumb down the genre to attract more people.. When you're in combat with those MMOs that have a lot of hot bars skills you don't use more than 5 to 10 skills anyway and if you do it's situational. Most of them are buffs or prep skills you use before you go into combat. You will still button mash.. Don't kid yourself about that.. Just like you button mash in DCUO or gw2 or whatever other MMO that uses less skills..

  ReallyNow10

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8/06/13 12:39:35 PM#258
Originally posted by Manakar
Originally posted by ReallyNow10
I am wary of them limiting classes to two weapon sets, however the 4 + 4 approach to combat and utility skills is just fine.  I dislike having 30 buttons spread out across 4 action bars and my screen looking like the HUD (Heads Up Display) of a fighter jet.   I want to focus on the world and my surroundings, not button mashing.

That's just a lame excuse passed down by devs trying to dumb down the genre to attract more people.. When you're in combat with those MMOs that have a lot of hot bars skills you don't use more than 5 to 10 skills anyway and if you do it's situational. Most of them are buffs or prep skills you use before you go into combat. You will still button mash.. Don't kid yourself about that.. Just like you button mash in DCUO or gw2 or whatever other MMO that uses less skills..

Manakar, warriors, soldiers, and swordsmen, IN REAL LIFE, pretty much use a limited about of repeated moves. (i.e., slash/thrust/parry/dodge).  And games with tons of duplicated skills become hard on the eyes and tend to water down the significance of one another.  Toss in a Heroic Wheel and it's a mess (EQ2).

Yes, there will be button mashing, but hopefully intuitive sensible button mashing (i.e., I'm pressing this button because I want to kick and interrupt spell casting, not because it's flashing and I want to set off an arbitrary heroic  wheel event).

We will see how this pans out.

  Joekra

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8/06/13 1:20:30 PM#259
Originally posted by lizardbones

 


Originally posted by Joekra

Originally posted by MadDemon64

Originally posted by Vidir EQnext more and more sound like a GW2 clone to me witch I dont like.
Then don't play.  If you don't like it don't play it.  Nobody is forcing you to play it, so don't. Everyone, please stop complaining.  If you don't like the way the game is turning out, then don't play it.  Or do. Just stop complaining.
Or you give feedback to the devs and they might change their mind depending on how many people would agree with a change.


Depends on how much it would cost too. They aren't going to spend a million dollars on something if what they have works just fine. Especially when what they have is something that is tailored for the future plans of the game. Like releasing the game on consoles.

 

That is always a factor, I just hate posts like "don't like it, don't play it" especially in games that are still deep in development. If the player's don't raise their voices have zero justification to complain about not having a game they like to play.

  MadDemon64

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8/06/13 1:34:01 PM#260
Originally posted by Joekra
Originally posted by MadDemon64
Originally posted by Vidir
EQnext more and more sound like a GW2 clone to me witch I dont like.

Then don't play.  If you don't like it don't play it.  Nobody is forcing you to play it, so don't.

Everyone, please stop complaining.  If you don't like the way the game is turning out, then don't play it.  Or do.

Just stop complaining.

Or you give feedback to the devs and they might change their mind depending on how many people would agree with a change.

Perhaps, but most complaints I hear are "these graphics sux so therefore the game sux".  And usually that's not an exaggeration.  I have seen almost no constructive criticism, just complaining and moaning.

Since when is Tuesday a direction?

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