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  rygard49

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OP  8/05/13 1:41:08 PM#1

With everything being destructible... does anyone else foresee every single troll in the world running by to destroy your home? Tearing down every bridge, collapsing every cave entrance and generally ruining the gameplay experience for as many people as they can? Kiting giants and dragons all the way to the main cities in order to destroy as much of that as they can?

I think the beginning months of the game are going to be very trying for those who like to build and want to carve out a portion of the world for themselves.

  grifj

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8/05/13 1:42:20 PM#2

I believe I heard that other players can't tear down player made structures. 

It will be very interesting to see how the whole completely destructible thing plays out in practice.  What if you're questing on the surface and some other group is below you and destroys the roof, collapsing you into the middle of the earth and into content you aren't capable of handling?

  Saxx0n

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8/05/13 1:43:14 PM#3
Originally posted by rygard49

With everything being destructible... does anyone else foresee every single troll in the world running by to destroy your home? Tearing down every bridge, collapsing every cave entrance and generally ruining the gameplay experience for as many people as they can? Kiting giants and dragons all the way to the main cities in order to destroy as much of that as they can?

I think the beginning months of the game are going to be very trying for those who like to build and want to carve out a portion of the world for themselves.

Do you honestly think they are that stupid?

 

edit- the giant or dragon will probably snare you and kill you with the advanced ai they are talking about.

  rygard49

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OP  8/05/13 1:46:44 PM#4
Originally posted by Saxx0n
Originally posted by rygard49

With everything being destructible... does anyone else foresee every single troll in the world running by to destroy your home? Tearing down every bridge, collapsing every cave entrance and generally ruining the gameplay experience for as many people as they can? Kiting giants and dragons all the way to the main cities in order to destroy as much of that as they can?

I think the beginning months of the game are going to be very trying for those who like to build and want to carve out a portion of the world for themselves.

Do you honestly think they are that stupid?

 

edit- the giant or dragon will probably snare you and kill you with the advanced ai they are talking about.

I don't know how stupid to think they are. From the way things have been described/reported, it sounds like there's potential for some serious trolling.

  Nanfoodle

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8/05/13 1:47:17 PM#5
Dont think SoE is that dumb but I do see them needing to change some things to stop trolls. Like a Warrior camped at a choke point like the only bridge to something and keep blowing it up to keep people from going about their gaming just to be a jurk. This happens with any new system and I am sure they will figure out what should not be destructible. Even things like where a key NPC standing on a doc could maybe be forced to swim if you keep bring up the doc. Again this can all be fixed =-)
  rygard49

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OP  8/05/13 1:47:31 PM#6
Originally posted by grifj

I believe I heard that other players can't tear down player made structures. 

That would be great news for those of us who want to build. Do you have a source for that?

  Torvaldr

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8/05/13 1:50:38 PM#7

I'm sure they're asking these same questions in design and feedback meetings.  As testing goes forward we'll get a chance to see how they work out the kinks in the system.  It's really too early, with a serious lack of concrete info, to say how this will pan out either way.

Curse you AquaScum!

  Datawarlock

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8/05/13 1:51:11 PM#8
Originally posted by Saxx0n
Originally posted by rygard49

With everything being destructible... does anyone else foresee every single troll in the world running by to destroy your home? Tearing down every bridge, collapsing every cave entrance and generally ruining the gameplay experience for as many people as they can? Kiting giants and dragons all the way to the main cities in order to destroy as much of that as they can?

I think the beginning months of the game are going to be very trying for those who like to build and want to carve out a portion of the world for themselves.

Do you honestly think they are that stupid?

 

edit- the giant or dragon will probably snare you and kill you with the advanced ai they are talking about.

Pffft, they were doing that in games long before the falsely proclaimed 'advanced AI'. It's all scripted one way or another, just because they do it differently doesn't make it advanced, and definitely doesn't make it AI. We don't have the processing power on earth to even handle a limited basic AI let alone an advanced one, so eat the buzzwords all ya want, it's not what they claim and it's not new to the genre.

  Javrio

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8/05/13 1:51:47 PM#9
They've told that "the enviroment was going to be harder to destroy than we saw on the demo's video and will regenerate itself". Do you really think that destroying the same bridge everytime it's funny? xD 
  Fionn

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8/05/13 1:52:46 PM#10
Dev team during the panel have all stated that  the land and structures will regenerate over time.
  jayheld90

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8/05/13 1:53:16 PM#11
Originally posted by Saxx0n
Originally posted by rygard49

With everything being destructible... does anyone else foresee every single troll in the world running by to destroy your home? Tearing down every bridge, collapsing every cave entrance and generally ruining the gameplay experience for as many people as they can? Kiting giants and dragons all the way to the main cities in order to destroy as much of that as they can?

I think the beginning months of the game are going to be very trying for those who like to build and want to carve out a portion of the world for themselves.

Do you honestly think they are that stupid?

 

edit- the giant or dragon will probably snare you and kill you with the advanced ai they are talking about.

simple answer. yes.

  jayheld90

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8/05/13 1:54:49 PM#12
Originally posted by rygard49
Originally posted by grifj

I believe I heard that other players can't tear down player made structures. 

That would be great news for those of us who want to build. Do you have a source for that?

yes, they said it in the keynote reveal. i watched the whole thing.

  dandurin

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8/05/13 1:56:03 PM#13
Originally posted by rygard49
Originally posted by grifj

I believe I heard that other players can't tear down player made structures. 

That would be great news for those of us who want to build. Do you have a source for that?

Several sources (for instance in the Q&A session) say if you get the deed to a plot of land, no one can wreck it without you giving them permission.  In both Landmark and EQ:N proper. 

 

Getting a deed to land won't be easy, and you'll need one to construct anything.

  rygard49

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OP  8/05/13 1:56:32 PM#14
Originally posted by Javrio
They've told that "the enviroment was going to be harder to destroy than we saw on the demo's video and will regenerate itself". Do you really think that destroying the same bridge everytime it's funny? xD 

I don't. Some will.

  Volmok

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8/05/13 1:57:54 PM#15

Create a guild called "Guild of trolls" and create a wall around other structures and block the owners inside or outside .... that is how you mass-troll :)

I really hope they will think about these scenarios.

 

V.

  General-Zod

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8/05/13 1:59:28 PM#16
Originally posted by rygard49
Originally posted by grifj

I believe I heard that other players can't tear down player made structures. 

That would be great news for those of us who want to build. Do you have a source for that?

This is not correct...

I think its "Players will be able to tear down everything including player created structures but key buildings like Starting City ect... cant be. NPCs however, will be able to destruct even the starting locations (Giant Golems, Dragons ect...)

This was in PC Gamer

  arkoh

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8/05/13 2:00:40 PM#17

@ loopback1199 Ask Nasa about that processing power

In EverQuest Worldwide Debut the guy that is talking said that the environment regenerates after is destroyed

  jayheld90

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8/05/13 2:02:28 PM#18
Originally posted by General-Zod
Originally posted by rygard49
Originally posted by grifj

I believe I heard that other players can't tear down player made structures. 

That would be great news for those of us who want to build. Do you have a source for that?

This is not correct...

I think its "Players will be able to tear down everything but key buildings (Starting City ect...) however NPCs will be able to destruct even the starting locations (Giant Golems, Dragons ect...)

This was in PC Gamer

WRONG! players cant even COME on your claim, unless you let them, let alone destroy it. i watched the people at soe live that are MAKING the game, say it themselves.

  jayheld90

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8/05/13 2:03:47 PM#19
Originally posted by arkoh

@ loopback1199 Ask Nasa about that processing power

In EverQuest Worldwide Debut the guy that is talking said that the environment regenerates after is destroyed

i really, really think people that have questions, should watch this. so they will stop spouting off at the mouth, about stuff they do not know.

  mos0811

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8/05/13 2:06:47 PM#20
Originally posted by grifj

I believe I heard that other players can't tear down player made structures. 

It will be very interesting to see how the whole completely destructible thing plays out in practice.  What if you're questing on the surface and some other group is below you and destroys the roof, collapsing you into the middle of the earth and into content you aren't capable of handling?

During the Q&A it was asked if there would be environmental damage, the answer was yes.  So if someone is digging up and you are above them, you could get killed from dropping down the hole they create.  Now with that said, there were also moments the panels said that not everything would be able to be destroyed all the time.  With voxels everything CAN be destroyed, but that does not mean it will be allowed to be destroyed all the time.

As for player made buildings, yeah I think those are going to be able to be destroyed.  Creators are not safe just because they don't want to see their creations kept intact.  But again that is one of those things they are keeping under wrap.  Not even talking from a PvP standpoint; during the Q&A panel they mentioned that Orcs might get sick of getting the crap beat out of them and take it upon themselves to go destroy player made dwellings.  So it's not just other players that may destroy player created housing, it could very well be the AI.

Lastly, Georgeson specifically said they were not creating a griefers paradise; yet again during that same Q&A panel.

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