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  jesteralways

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Joined: 3/17/13
Posts: 555

8/01/13 5:51:26 PM#21
b2p with optional subscription is the way to go. if they want to provide proper support(the kind of support we get now in WoW on weekdays) to all the players and keep the high quality of game, then f2p is not an option, b2p with optional sub is the perfect choice then.

i want a open world, no phasing, no instancing.i want meaningful owpvp.i want player driven economy.i want meaningful crafting.i want awesome exploration, a sense of thrill.i want ow housing with a meaningful effect on my entire gameplay experience, not just some instanced crap.i want all of these free of cost, i don't wanna pay you a cent, game devs can eat grass and continue developing game for me.
Seems like that is the current consensus of western mmo players.

  WhiteLantern

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Joined: 1/27/10
Posts: 2778

8/01/13 5:57:07 PM#22

I'm going on record to say that Titan won't even be an MMO.

 

Titan will be Blizzards first foray into the FPS pool. Borderlands clone, anyone?

I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil

  Hrimnir

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Posts: 1090

8/01/13 6:02:39 PM#23
Originally posted by Comaf
Originally posted by Shadowguy64

Bummer.

 

Probably won't play.

I agree, considering how terrible Blizzard's reputation has been with being unable to make profits off of groundbreaking mmorpg concepts - OH WAIT. 

 

Seriously - folks want cash shops over a sub model that has a cosmetic shop at best?  Somehow, I'll bet the millions that play this next title won't be concerned with a F2P concept.  They will be too busy having fun.

Wait a second, this from a guy whose signature says:

"I want an mmorpg where pvp matters, my enemies are not my race or class, and community matters."

And you are saying the above quoted text in regards to a blizzard product? I'm sorry but i have to ask if you're a walking contradiction.  Because i dont know anybody who would realistically try to argue that WOW PVP mattered, community mattered, etc.

I also find it hilariously funny that you think blizzard is capable of "groundbreaking MMO concepts".  They're quite capable of ripping off other people's ground breaking concepts.  Much like they shit canned the existing version of Titan so they could wait until EQ:Next info comes out so they can proceed to rip that all off.

"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."

- Friedrich Nietzsche

  mcrippins

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Joined: 7/01/07
Posts: 995

8/01/13 6:52:08 PM#24
Originally posted by Buttdart

The reason most F2P MMO's are declared 'fail' by the playerbase is because the hardcore - who always lead the way and set the standard in the games, whether they're making youtube vids, running blogs with concrete number-crunching, or running uberguilds - do the math, realize that the company puts out a game where you end up paying more than you would've if it were just $15/month IF you want to play on the high level, and that puts people off when they realize that in order to be a badass and stand out (which lets not kid ourselves, it's what people want to do in these games), they have to open their wallets.

The old-school MMO player wants an MMO where your chance to stand out is a combination of enduring effort in-game AND a roll of the dice, not just "oh, that guy opened his wallet, that's why he has attention". 

It's fine if you are just a casual/social player though and want that kind of gameplay.

The hardcore player of the organized guilds who triumph through their organization in games are done. The money is in catering to casuals, public pickup groups for 8-man dungeons, braindead mechanics that everyone can do (I mean you might as well make it braindead because even if it's complex, it just means the group has to watch the youtube video longer nowadays, right?), on and on.

TL;DR, stop hoping for old-school MMO's where you feel you achieve something and/or lucked out on a drop. Those days are gone. If you want to be badass in the future MMO, you should get a higher paying job.

Well said.

  TheHavok

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Joined: 7/13/04
Posts: 2422

"Free crack and everybody gets laid."

8/01/13 6:54:13 PM#25
Originally posted by Hrimnir
Originally posted by Comaf
Originally posted by Shadowguy64

Bummer.

 

Probably won't play.

I agree, considering how terrible Blizzard's reputation has been with being unable to make profits off of groundbreaking mmorpg concepts - OH WAIT. 

 

Seriously - folks want cash shops over a sub model that has a cosmetic shop at best?  Somehow, I'll bet the millions that play this next title won't be concerned with a F2P concept.  They will be too busy having fun.

Wait a second, this from a guy whose signature says:

"I want an mmorpg where pvp matters, my enemies are not my race or class, and community matters."

And you are saying the above quoted text in regards to a blizzard product? I'm sorry but i have to ask if you're a walking contradiction.  Because i dont know anybody who would realistically try to argue that WOW PVP mattered, community mattered, etc.

I also find it hilariously funny that you think blizzard is capable of "groundbreaking MMO concepts".  They're quite capable of ripping off other people's ground breaking concepts.  Much like they shit canned the existing version of Titan so they could wait until EQ:Next info comes out so they can proceed to rip that all off.

You are forgetting something though - Blizzard took those concepts and improved upon them.  Who cares if they aren't original.  How much is original in video games today anyways?  I want a good, fun product that I can spend hours and hours playing.  Blizzard has proven to delivery those products.  Love them  or hate them, I don't care - as long as they keep on making quality games, i'll keep on playing them.

  Asamof

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Joined: 9/19/04
Posts: 698

8/01/13 7:44:53 PM#26

Everyone saying they're not playing now are as believable as the Modern Warfare 2 boycotts (for anyone who doesn't know what this is, google it)

Reminds me of how D3 managed to continue to sell millions of copies despite being one of the most poorly received  PC games of all time

  raykor

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Joined: 11/28/05
Posts: 326

8/01/13 7:45:23 PM#27

I’ve tried a number of FTP titles, tried to like them—despite my cynicism of this business model.  To each his own, but for me I’ve concluded that I will never play another FTP game again.  I am happy to pay a sub for the right game.

  NagelRitter

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Joined: 7/18/13
Posts: 613

8/01/13 7:53:13 PM#28
Why does everyone keep talking about Blizzard like it's the same company? It's not, people. Blizzard of 2004 and Blizzard of 2013, a lot of time has passed and they earned enough money to spin anyone's head. They are not the same and should not be viewed as the same. Look at them like any other company that's sitting on a big IP - they're closer to SOE than old Blizzard.

Favorite MMO: Vanilla WoW
Currently playing: GW2, EVE
Excited for: Wildstar, maybe?

  Chrisbox

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Joined: 7/15/10
Posts: 1502

8/01/13 8:38:09 PM#29

Your all missing the point,

I would LOVE to know their motives behind the direction switch and game's current focus.  

This is just a tease by blizzard.  

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Playing-FFXIV:ARR

  Shadowguy64

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Joined: 4/11/13
Posts: 880

8/01/13 9:20:25 PM#30
Originally posted by NagelRitter
Why does everyone keep talking about Blizzard like it's the same company? It's not, people. Blizzard of 2004 and Blizzard of 2013, a lot of time has passed and they earned enough money to spin anyone's head. They are not the same and should not be viewed as the same. Look at them like any other company that's sitting on a big IP - they're closer to SOE than old Blizzard.

 

This is a poor argument. Sure there may have been some creative turnover, but do you honestly believe that Blizzard isn't the most coveted companies to work for for anyone interested in creating games? I'm willing to GUESS that their recruiting is #1 in the industry.

 

  KhinRunite

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Joined: 11/05/10
Posts: 897

8/01/13 9:32:52 PM#31

Yay, no subs!

My bet is on B2P.

  NetSage

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Joined: 3/20/10
Posts: 1010

8/01/13 9:32:56 PM#32
Originally posted by tkreep
Final Fantasy XIV is prolly the last subscription based mmo to be released

Unless it succeeds which I hope it does.  The only other MMO I personally had hope for was Blizzards so now it's all on FFXIV :P.

  Alalala

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Joined: 8/03/06
Posts: 277

8/01/13 9:56:32 PM#33
Blizzard's decline continues. World of Warcraft evolves to casual kid's game with pandas to compete with child-friendly Hello Kirty Online, along with repetitive expansions and updates. Diablo 3 is an auction-house game with a boring, minor dark fantasy mini-game. Titan is dead. Starcraft 2 is a good game ruined by a greedy, buy-me-three-times cash grab. This is not the vibrant, innovative, gamer-friendly company it used to be.
  Incomparable

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Joined: 3/11/11
Posts: 757

8/01/13 10:00:11 PM#34
Sounds like they are designing a mmo that has gine through a certain phase and a change in dev team. Or their vision for titan became a lot more smaller making the title as far as we know ironic.

Them making it F2P is an indication of a smaller project, but not necessarily.

This is not looking good.

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  ThomasN7

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Joined: 3/17/07
Posts: 6654

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8/01/13 11:38:01 PM#35
Until i see a reveal and some gameplay then everything I hear on Titan will fall on deaf ears.
  RedMachine72

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Joined: 5/18/10
Posts: 78

8/01/13 11:38:47 PM#36
Originally posted by Alalala
Blizzard's decline continues. World of Warcraft evolves to casual kid's game with pandas to compete with child-friendly Hello Kirty Online, along with repetitive expansions and updates. Diablo 3 is an auction-house game with a boring, minor dark fantasy mini-game. Titan is dead. Starcraft 2 is a good game ruined by a greedy, buy-me-three-times cash grab. This is not the vibrant, innovative, gamer-friendly company it used to be.

Wow used to be a game that you actually had to think about several things to get the most our of you character. Talents was one thing that stood out, that's gone and now everyone is the same. Used to have to respect several times in order to get the most DPS from a char cause there were so many choices. Learning things like weapon skill is gone. The whole game is faceroll keyboard for win. If they had kept it the same as it was in vanilla WoW and just added the expansions they might still have 12 million players. As far as the company is concerned, they changed the minute they were bought out into a cash grab company.

  GoldenArrow

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Joined: 6/09/08
Posts: 1079

8/02/13 12:19:10 AM#37
Originally posted by RedMachine72
Originally posted by Alalala
Blizzard's decline continues. World of Warcraft evolves to casual kid's game with pandas to compete with child-friendly Hello Kirty Online, along with repetitive expansions and updates. Diablo 3 is an auction-house game with a boring, minor dark fantasy mini-game. Titan is dead. Starcraft 2 is a good game ruined by a greedy, buy-me-three-times cash grab. This is not the vibrant, innovative, gamer-friendly company it used to be.

Wow used to be a game that you actually had to think about several things to get the most our of you character. Talents was one thing that stood out, that's gone and now everyone is the same. Used to have to respect several times in order to get the most DPS from a char cause there were so many choices. Learning things like weapon skill is gone. The whole game is faceroll keyboard for win. If they had kept it the same as it was in vanilla WoW and just added the expansions they might still have 12 million players. As far as the company is concerned, they changed the minute they were bought out into a cash grab company.

If one actually played WoW one would realise that even if everyone is given the same kit it still leaves room for skill and makes two identical characters perform very differently.

 
  Torvaldr

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8/02/13 12:34:15 AM#38

Originally posted by jpaprocki
If it's not sub-based then I wont be playing.  Looks like my mmo days are numbered now.   Time to dust off my single player games.

I hate to break it to you, but SP games don't have subs either.  You're SOL dude.

Originally posted by Shadowguy64

Originally posted by NagelRitter
Why does everyone keep talking about Blizzard like it's the same company? It's not, people. Blizzard of 2004 and Blizzard of 2013, a lot of time has passed and they earned enough money to spin anyone's head. They are not the same and should not be viewed as the same. Look at them like any other company that's sitting on a big IP - they're closer to SOE than old Blizzard.

This is a poor argument. Sure there may have been some creative turnover, but do you honestly believe that Blizzard isn't the most coveted companies to work for for anyone interested in creating games? I'm willing to GUESS that their recruiting is #1 in the industry.

I think there is a point in there, but he's jumping to a conclusion that suits his agenda without really supporting the correlation.

A lot of the creative driving talent that made old Blizz games popular have moved on.  Not to say there isn't talent there, but it isn't the same Blizz.  But like you say, that doesn't mean new talent isn't working there and Titan could be a great game.

I think a mind wipe so people could play an mmo like it was their first time again, would be easier to build than a new mmo people here would actually like. - DamonVile

  Lord.Bachus

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8/02/13 12:38:08 AM#39
Who says it will even be a traditional MMO?

Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)

  Shana77

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Posts: 183

8/02/13 12:45:00 AM#40
The subscription based mmo is basically dead. 
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