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General Discussion  » Call the ambulance WoW under 8 million subs now

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  Arthasm

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Joined: 7/26/09
Posts: 746

7/26/13 9:44:11 AM#41

What's the big deal about sub drops?

 

  Aysono

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Joined: 1/28/10
Posts: 164

7/26/13 9:46:41 AM#42
Their subs will continue to drop no matter what but they will actually make more money with 0 sub like many other online games developers and publishers. They just need to learn how.
  bubaluba

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Joined: 7/23/12
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7/26/13 9:48:36 AM#43
They will make wow 2 with next gen graphic. Blizzard is the only one that can save pc mmo's. There is not one  mmo close to success of wow. I think it is time for console mmo's like Destiny. Dream about EQN or what ever will fall down like any other
  bcbully

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7/26/13 9:49:06 AM#44
Originally posted by Arthasm
Originally posted by bcbully
Originally posted by Ikeda

Nadia,  I agree with you 100%.

Still, show me a MMO with even a quarter of the WoW subscription base.... Even at this point.

Age of  Wushu. 

 

[mod edit]

Yeah 20 million players sub with f2p option. No sub = no gathering/craftin in the CN version.

  Naral

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7/26/13 9:54:46 AM#45

These threads crack me up. People have been saying WoW is dying for years now, basically after each successively worse expansion pack.

At 7+ million subscribers after 10 years online, I doubt anyone is crying over 7 million subs at Blizzard.

What they should be crying about, is how hard it will be to replicate this act again. It sounds like, from the cuts, Titan may or may not be adding up to their formula. And releasing something WoW like in this herd of freemium games now, will be a challenge.

Blizzard ties up a LOT of money in their game development, and when WoW eventually succumbs (I think it still have years, personally--they could lose half their subs and be more profitable than any MMO on the market right now) the trick for them will be to try and hold on to this vast market share.

With, imo, lackluster releases of SC and DIablo III, Blizzard has a lot to prove at this point.

  Gaia_Hunter

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7/26/13 9:54:48 AM#46
Why would a new player to MMORPGs/online games play WoW over the other 9027461724617658923656 MMORPGs and online games out there?

Currently playing: GW2
Going cardboard starter kit: Ticket to ride, Pandemic, Carcassonne, Dominion, King of Tokyo

  NagelRitter

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Joined: 7/18/13
Posts: 613

7/26/13 9:54:53 AM#47
Originally posted by Mdpats

I find it comical when someone blames ONE expansion for the decline in subs, haha.

That one expansion remodeled the whole Vanilla world...

Originally posted by Nadia

I resubbed 4 months ago but quit after 2 weeks

I wanted to see the Panda content but I couldnt stomache leveling thru Cata

Cata is not fun

if a game is not fun - why bother?

This. A hundred times this. People at endgame may not care, but nobody wants to level through that...

Rift will follow...

Favorite MMO: Vanilla WoW
Currently playing: GW2, EVE
Excited for: Wildstar, maybe?

  ThomasN7

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7/26/13 9:59:35 AM#48
WoW is pretty much done. No expansion is going to save them after the joke that was Mists of Pandaria. It is all about salvaging what you can and holding on to it for dear life now. Since Titan has been pushed back for atleast another 3 more years I see tough times for Blizzard unless they have one last trick under their sleeve left.  The only game worth playing now is Starcraft 2.
  Arthasm

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Joined: 7/26/09
Posts: 746

7/26/13 10:01:20 AM#49
Originally posted by bcbully
Originally posted by Arthasm
Originally posted by bcbully
Originally posted by Ikeda

Nadia,  I agree with you 100%.

Still, show me a MMO with even a quarter of the WoW subscription base.... Even at this point.

Age of  Wushu. 

 

[mod edit]

Yeah 20 million players sub with f2p option. No sub = no gathering/craftin.

Can you please link press or official report that shows number of active subscribed players (not including f2p players, leechers, cause they don't make profit), but reports made in Q1/Q2 2013. not old PR bullcrap from June 2012.

Thanks.

  Arthasm

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Joined: 7/26/09
Posts: 746

7/26/13 10:06:54 AM#50
Originally posted by ThomasN7
WoW is pretty much done. No expansion is going to save them after the joke that was Mists of Pandaria. It is all about salvaging what you can and holding on to it for dear life now. Since Titan has been pushed back for atleast another 3 more years I see tough times for Blizzard unless they have one last trick under their sleeve left.  The only game worth playing now is Starcraft 2.

Ghostcrab said they made break from original Azeroth lore with Pandaria, they will bring it back in next expansion. I'm lore whore, I really hope they will fix damage what Pandaria done in next expansion, otherwise I couldn't swallow random story crap or easter eggs...

  Rusque

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Joined: 6/08/10
Posts: 1876

7/26/13 10:11:29 AM#51
Originally posted by sketocafe
Does anyone know the breakdown on the $15 a month western subscribers and the Asian "subscribers" who don't pay a sub?

I can't find a breakdown of types of subs on their financial statements (probably because money is money to accountants, whereas chinese subs are "fake" subs to internet trolls).

But the Blizzard segment of Acti-Blizz brought in $1,698,000,000 in net revenues in 2012 (and to keep that in perspective, Activision brought in $3,072,000,000 which is about double).

Acti-Blizz made $1,537,000,000 from digital online channels (which I assume subs are included) and $3,013,000,000 from retail channels again in 2012 (which I would assume includes all box sales, merchandise and such)

Ah, sorry I'm doing this in real time and I just found revenues by geographic location: Just to save me the zero's, there are all in millions:

North America $2,436 in 2012

Europe $1,968 in 2012

Asia Pacific $452 in 2012

So it seems Asia is their smallest market to date. Actually looking at the previous years, 2011 and 2010, it was significantly smaller before. pocket change compared to NA and EU.

 

And I just found online subs: $986,000,000 in 2012. Almost a biillion dollars, but it is a drop from previous years.

$1,357,000,000 in 2011 and $1,230,000,000 in 2010. Ouch. These subscriptions are a combination of WoW and CoD memberships.

In any case, if you are ever curious about a companies financials you can just google "name of company" and "financial report" and go through it.

  bcbully

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Joined: 3/03/12
Posts: 7651

7/26/13 10:15:18 AM#52
Originally posted by Arthasm
Originally posted by bcbully
Originally posted by Arthasm
Originally posted by bcbully
Originally posted by Ikeda

Nadia,  I agree with you 100%.

Still, show me a MMO with even a quarter of the WoW subscription base.... Even at this point.

Age of  Wushu. 

 

Are you F serious? 

Yeah 20 million players sub with f2p option. No sub = no gathering/craftin.

Can you please link press or official report that shows number of active subscribed players (not including f2p players, leechers, cause they don't make profit), but reports made in Q1/Q2 2013. not old PR bullcrap from June 2012.

Thanks.

Snail is 1500 employee Indy. They do not answer to share holders with qt reports. A quick google search will give you the reported numbers. 

  DamonVile

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Joined: 11/22/05
Posts: 4909

7/26/13 10:25:59 AM#53
Originally posted by Arthasm
Originally posted by bcbully
Originally posted by Arthasm
Originally posted by bcbully
Originally posted by Ikeda

Nadia,  I agree with you 100%.

Still, show me a MMO with even a quarter of the WoW subscription base.... Even at this point.

Age of  Wushu. 

 

Are you F serious? 

Yeah 20 million players sub with f2p option. No sub = no gathering/craftin.

Can you please link press or official report that shows number of active subscribed players (not including f2p players, leechers, cause they don't make profit), but reports made in Q1/Q2 2013. not old PR bullcrap from June 2012.

Thanks.

You'll never win this one with him he's been told a thousand times registered users don't = paying players. He doesn't care he wants his game to have that many people so it has that many people. He wants AoW to be the biggest game in the world so it's the biggest game in the world.

  Xithryl

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Posts: 257

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7/26/13 10:37:00 AM#54
Originally posted by The1ceQueen
I recently went back after a 2 year break. I choose not do the raid/arena gear grind this time around. Having fun again now that I am not too.

What are you doing in game? Honestly am curious not trying to be rude.

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  Jean-Luc_Picard

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7/26/13 10:40:11 AM#55
Originally posted by Xithryl
Originally posted by The1ceQueen
I recently went back after a 2 year break. I choose not do the raid/arena gear grind this time around. Having fun again now that I am not too.

What are you doing in game? Honestly am curious not trying to be rude.

You can definitely play WoW without ever entering a raid or an arena. There's quite a bit of non-dungeon content, and then you have the non-raid dungeons, and the battlegrounds.

Playing now: WoW, Landmark, GW2

Got a refund: Archeage. First refund since I started MMOs.

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  Frostvein

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Posts: 160

7/26/13 10:41:40 AM#56

People that are trying to blame the games "downfall" on anything are being foolish.

 

Simply put, the game is 8-9 years old at this point and people are just getting tired of playing it.

 

Very few people play the SAME video game day in and day out for very long periods of time. The fact that it still has 8 million people this late in its life cycle is nothing short of amazing.

  ego13

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Joined: 1/24/04
Posts: 287

Hell is other people. - Sartre

7/26/13 10:42:30 AM#57
Originally posted by Xithryl
Originally posted by The1ceQueen
I recently went back after a 2 year break. I choose not do the raid/arena gear grind this time around. Having fun again now that I am not too.

What are you doing in game? Honestly am curious not trying to be rude.

I just subbed again, also, last week.

 

Leveling up, gearing up, with LFR it's not bad since you can just go in and you don't have to worry about who gets what.  Flexible raids coming soon so you can do that as well...plus with the new patch I'll be leveling up a new toon with all the heirlooms and since you'll be able to put any level enchant on any level item.

 

I've never understood those that want the game to be less intuitive and slower 'just because'.  Let me get through all the bs as fast as possible so I can enjoy the game (at the end).

Just because every car has similar features doesn't mean that Ferraris are copies of Model Ts. Progress requires failure and refining.

  NagelRitter

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7/26/13 10:45:27 AM#58
Originally posted by Cirin

I've never understood those that want the game to be less intuitive and slower 'just because'.  Let me get through all the bs as fast as possible so I can enjoy the game (at the end).

Let's just say WoW used to be a very different game...

Favorite MMO: Vanilla WoW
Currently playing: GW2, EVE
Excited for: Wildstar, maybe?

  ego13

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Hell is other people. - Sartre

7/26/13 10:47:01 AM#59
Originally posted by NagelRitter
Originally posted by Cirin

I've never understood those that want the game to be less intuitive and slower 'just because'.  Let me get through all the bs as fast as possible so I can enjoy the game (at the end).

Let's just say WoW used to be a very different game...

I've played it since beta....we can say whatever we want and, really, it was nice in BC but has never been "that different".

 

As I say every time someone brings this garbage up...Rose-tinted glasses.  Some can't seem to be critical enough of their own memories to even see past that.

Just because every car has similar features doesn't mean that Ferraris are copies of Model Ts. Progress requires failure and refining.

  Tierless

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7/26/13 10:47:40 AM#60

When it goes FTP it will pop back to 10 again.

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