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  SBFord

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OP  7/25/13 6:48:59 PM#1

EverQuest Next will finally debut into the light next week during the annual SOE Live convention in Las Vegas. As we try to contain our own budding excitement, we have The List to offer a small sampling (5) of the things we would like to see featured in EQN. See if you agree before adding your own list to the comments.

5. Make an MMO HARD Again

That’s right. Most of us have had it up to here with the casualization of the MMO genre as a whole. Whether you are an old-school fan of vanilla-WoW or a hardcore Ultima Online fan, you know that those games have something that most of today’s game don’t: Difficulty. Players are led by the nose from one quest hub to another and even have markers on the world and zone maps to indicate where they need to go. In some cases, they are literally dragged to the necessary area for completing a quest. Players need to think, to learn, to grow with the game instead of constantly having tutorials and tooltips at their beck and call. “Figure it out” may take on a whole new meaning.

Read more of Suzie Ford's The List: Our EverQuest Next Wish List.

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  Soldor

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7/26/13 9:03:58 AM#2
I'm hoping EQN is basically eq1 with updated graphics. Been playing eq1 f2p with my family lately and we having a blast
  Moridin82

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7/26/13 9:20:41 AM#3
Agree with all those.. playing vg atm and having blast there.
  bcbully

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7/26/13 9:26:22 AM#4
I'll play Suzie!
  Dauzqul

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7/26/13 9:28:25 AM#5

My wish list:

#1. Absolutely NO Arena / Battlegrounds on the PvP Server

#2. Social Tools, e.g., LoTRO's playable instruments, player vs player gambling in the taverns and INNs, intense horse racing, etc...

#3. The ability to get "lost" in the world... because it's so fricken' big.

#4. The ability to plop a house down in the open world... from close the city to the far off BFE areas.

#5. MAKING THE MMO HARD AGAIN. So sick of all of this "hold my hand while I potty... but not too far from the trail" axiom.

 
  Battlerock

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7/26/13 9:40:51 AM#6
There will not be World Bosses with the epicness of Deathwing in anygame that permanently die. Especially World Bosses considering open world boss fights means you will have to scale the boss to the number of players which is lame. Or you can make the boss so powerful that it takes 10 tanks and 300 dps and 50 healers to beat without scaling. If the latter is the case please make sure there are fight mechanics and please make people cry for months before you have to dumb it down just so the boss can be defeated. Open world would be nice, but open world vs instanced boss fights, there is no comparison even the boss fights in world or warcrafts raidfinder are much much better than open world boss fights.

If its all just being done for lore, then it wont matter the fight can be as easy or dumb or scaled or ..... it wont matter if your talking about world changing events. I would prefer to see it rediculously difficult to defeat a world boss.

How about we bring instancing to the open world. You form a raid group, tag the open world boss, upon tagging up to 10 ? people gain a buff that makes a shield the world boss imposes on itself vanish. The shield created a barrier that other players can not cross, the shield moves with the boss and is x amount of yards away from the boss at all points. Players without the buff and come in contact with the shield die. The shield is visible but can be seen through. Now we have open world instancing. Players not tagged with the buff can watch the tagged group do battle, but can not Iinterfere with the fight in any way other than sideline coaching. The boss does not have to be scaled and the open world boss can be just as epic if not way more than even the likes of a boss like Deathwing. Final key component, this boss must be the most difficult boss to defeat in the history of gaming. We can do all sorts of things with open world instancing. Want to keep the everyone wins mentality yet keep the fight hard? Just make the instancing part of the fight the first phase and have the last phase be the same old dumbed down boss fight likd world bosses are today. Make sure though the 10 man group that pushed it into that phase is awarded well above and beyond just getting a world boss kill. This not only would create epic world boss fights but we would have iconic guilds and players again that are known throughout the land. Again just pushing the boss into that phase should be the most difficult task in gaming history. Another suggestion let open world bosses come from instancex raids and dungeons. You get a feel for player response, you get a shot at working out glitches, the boss breaks out and is either replaced in the instance or the instance closes for good. Once you let the boss break out tweak it a bit more and make it very hard to defeat.
  Druzella

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7/26/13 9:42:35 AM#7
I am very afraid that the release of this game is only at the end of 2014, and maybe even summer 2015
  elocke

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7/26/13 9:47:35 AM#8

I happen to really like quest finder tools and quest hubs.  I don't think they make a game less "hard" just faster to get done when my time is short.  Think about this.  Take a game like FFXI.  It's a pretty unforgiving game and it's quests take some research to figure out how to do.  I personally always just used a guide or online guides to get them done.  Imagine if they had just put quest tracking in the game and showed folk where the quests are yet didn't change the actual quest itself or it's objective.  Guess what?  Still hard as hell to accomplish.  Which means, these extra tools DON"T make the game EASIER.  Really wish you "challenge" nuts would stop speaking for "most gamers" when it's not a universal desire. 

Just had to pipe up on your number "5.  Make it Hard again."  The rest are ok I guess.

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  bubaluba

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7/26/13 9:53:28 AM#9
It is so simple--Do not waste money on fantasy mmo because it will fail. WOW gave everything what mmorpg on PC can offer and now is over with golden time of PC mmorpg's
  Lord.Bachus

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I believe in life before death... So dont forget to enjoy it while you still can.

7/26/13 9:56:45 AM#10

EQnext is unlike anythign seen before... and thats in my opinion probably because of the number 1 named here...

 

I think they are on to something, and i personally expect all 5 to be part of EQnext, which in my opinion will be a Sandpark,,... the middle of the road.  With more freedom then we are used to in all these other AAA mmos, but enough rules to prevent it from turning intoo a rude mindless slaughter party.

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  Assailant86

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7/26/13 10:10:29 AM#11
Implement a Vanguard: Saga of Heroes style crafting system and I will be sold for life!
  Affordable

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7/26/13 10:14:53 AM#12
PvP with a solid metagame. Fantasy EVE come on come on....
  ravenmyst

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7/26/13 10:27:08 AM#13

The problem with making a world boss that can only be killed once is that your gonna end up with a small group of players who get to do that boss, which in turn then causes all the people who want to do the world boss to become disenfranchised and in the long run will leave the game.  The whole oh maybe his twin brother will be somewhere else with his own storyline and world changing affect doesn't work either unless you expect them to have a team solely devoted to making a new storyline and world changes EVERYTIME a world boss gets killed.  Do that and your gonna be cutting the amount of content offered down drastically unless you think SoE has thousands of people working on the title which ain't true.

You just have to accept that the "hardcore" crowd is no longer the majority in any games. The things you list off would be nice but will never happen unless they expect to have a very small gaming community, and as I'm sure we all know by now with SoE if  a game has a small gaming community just go ahead and kiss that game goodbye cause they will shut it down.

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  Arkade99

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7/26/13 10:27:19 AM#14
Originally posted by elocke

I happen to really like quest finder tools and quest hubs.  I don't think they make a game less "hard" just faster to get done when my time is short.  Think about this.  Take a game like FFXI.  It's a pretty unforgiving game and it's quests take some research to figure out how to do.  I personally always just used a guide or online guides to get them done.  Imagine if they had just put quest tracking in the game and showed folk where the quests are yet didn't change the actual quest itself or it's objective.  Guess what?  Still hard as hell to accomplish.  Which means, these extra tools DON"T make the game EASIER.  Really wish you "challenge" nuts would stop speaking for "most gamers" when it's not a universal desire. 

Just had to pipe up on your number "5.  Make it Hard again."  The rest are ok I guess.

In writing, there is a concept called "Show, Don't Tell". Basically what it means is that it is preferable to show the reader something and let the reader come to his/her own conclusions, rather than tell the reader what he/she should think. "John was mad" tells the reader how John feels, but "John's face turned red and a vein pulsed on his left temple" shows John's reaction and the reader is left to interpret the meaning. This engages the reader and gets him/her involved in the story.

 

The same thing is true in games. If we take a quest and get a marker on our map to the quest location, we are being told where to go. We don't even need to read the quest text . Take away the quest marker and instead put clues in the quest text, now we have to use our brains a little. It doesn't need to be hard to figure out, it just needs to engage us, to make us part of the story.

 

So many game companies these days talk about story, but fail at some of the most basic concepts of story-telling. Readers (and gamers) aren't stupid. Don't treat us as though we are.

  monarc333

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7/26/13 10:28:48 AM#15

Its a nice list but i think a lot of people are living in the past. Whether we like it or not, this genre has moved forward. We can write posts, complain out loud or start up that old game, but it wont matter. I think some of us need to look in the mirror and realize that we wont get old school games like this anymore. Was vanilla WoW amazing? Yes it was, but it was also 9 years ago. I bet a lot of us are in our thirties now, with families and real jobs. Who has time to grind for a skill for months. I know I don't. If I spent as much time on the comp as I used to do when i was in my twenties I would be castrated then divorced.

Lets all wake up and realize where this genre has gone and where it will likely go. We either suck it up and play or we bemoan the good old days and turn bitter with each mmo release.

  phoenixxus

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7/26/13 10:40:19 AM#16

1. limited instance travel.

2. craft system that has an impact not just a side game and  time and money sink

3.  weapons that  do the different damages. In eq2 they made every weapon do the same damage so the only thing you were picking was a skin. This was the thing that make me leave eq2. A dagger dose not do the same damage as a 2h sword.

4. Combat system that is based on skill not 45 skills maco-ed to one key.

  bobfish

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7/26/13 10:42:52 AM#17
Sleeper.
  Tierless

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7/26/13 10:49:23 AM#18

Solid list. I would add a crafted economy with resource and ingredient drops but NO loot drops, and an open game world with PVP lakes on border areas and I would be a happy MMOer.

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  Zorlofe

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7/26/13 10:49:30 AM#19
Well said on all accounts OP. I really hope they have been listening and execute this properly. It's all really a no-brainer after the cries of so many for awhile now. Also, if they see they have a good recipe and fans are loving it they should be really careful how they handle expansions and not ruin the game by making it too easy again like with PoP. Bring us content but don't screw up the game in doing so!
  gnome21

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7/26/13 10:51:29 AM#20

I'm hope, praying, for art direction that can capture the nature of a fantastic world, yet still be restrained and give a nod to reality.  What do I mean?  I just can't get into equipment that is stupidly impractical:  giant shoulder pads that would prevent you from entering a castle gate, swords so large that they would more adequately be described as a siege weapon.

I'd also love to see some sort of continuity of equipment styles based on power of the item, and the origin.  We all know, from our world, where a samurai sword comes from, what cultures generally used falchions, or scimitars.  Sure there are a lot of generic types of weapons, but I'd love to look at someone and their worn equipment where it came from. What culture?  Continent?

As to power, I'd like clothing, armor, weapons, to start out kind of ordinary looking, while constantly getting more of a "wow" factor as power levels increase.

I know for a lot of folks this is just eye candy, but it can really add to the immersion level of the game, and something imo has been in constant decline.

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