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  User Deleted
7/24/13 12:01:10 PM#21

Cash shops killed the mmorpg.

  Dreamo84

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7/24/13 12:04:05 PM#22

People have been buying gear for real money since EQ1. Only difference is the developers weren't making the money. So in reality it doesn't trivialize anything since it's been going on forever whether you knew about it or not.

If gear is bought in a forest and no one is there to see it. Does it effect your gameplay?

  dadante666

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you stop laughing when hear the same joke ,but always cry for the same thing...

7/24/13 12:08:23 PM#23

whats the point of playing if u can buy the gear,imean whats the point of grind a dungeon  or even play that dungeon when u can buy the gear? whats the point of having the gear by spending money so that later i dont even need to help the poor guys for not spending money in a dungeon wasting mi time having the gear already. this is very absurd i understand economy is so fk bad right now that they trying to make money for every thing.

PS: Ihope in a future we dont need to pay for Air and for every breath we take.....plus tax....

  swizards01

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7/24/13 12:19:45 PM#24
I want a real money cash grab so i can buy a new computer for my hard work in the game. For people that have a job and no time to play the game. They can buy my rare item, i don't care how many times they can kill me on pvp because i got a real money. Those people getting board the game they can sell the item to get there money back. The developer can also earn money daily for those people selling item by collecting tax. You can trade your gold in the market only, not in other character for safe. And no other website can sell the gold because you can't trade it in other character.  Like on D3 there is other website selling gold, scam, hacking and i don't like it.
  LizardEgypt

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Hmm ?

7/24/13 12:28:27 PM#25

To anyone who is supporting the cash shop in game development. You come from a terrible gaming generation. Imagine if there was a cash shop in Monopoly, or in Chess. Imagine you sit down to play Chess against your dad and he buys extra pawns because he doesn't have the spare time to lose and try again. Money > Honor in almost every facet of modern life. Pretty soon these games will be designed SOLELY to sell these additional services and won't have a cent put into mechanics or creativity. 

A cash shop is an immediate sign for me to avoid a game. It's as simple as that. You can see their philosophy in the implementation. 

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  PAL-18

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7/24/13 12:35:08 PM#26

Pay-to-win cash shop server for anti-gamers.

And servers without cash shop for gamers,4.99€ sub / month.

problem solved.

 

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  geoxer2222

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7/24/13 12:35:34 PM#27
If they can keep pay to win people a year behind all players who earn there stuff then i am fine with it. You have let your content set in the fridge for a little bit before u just throw it out in the garbage. Vanity items should be main thing for cash shops, rich wear gucci while rest us are wearing cucci.
  Nadia

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7/24/13 12:42:07 PM#28
Originally posted by swizards01
I want a real money cash grab so i can buy a new computer for my hard work in the game. For people that have a job and no time to play the game. They can buy my rare item, i don't care how many times they can kill me on pvp because i got a real money. Those people getting board the game they can sell the item to get there money back. The developer can also earn money daily for those people selling item by collecting tax. You can trade your gold in the market only, not in other character for safe. And no other website can sell the gold because you can't trade it in other character.

agree

 

as long as players can freely trade virtual gold

you will have P2W issues in any mmo regardless of ftp or sub or existing cash shop

 

to players claiming they will avoid any mmo with a cash shop

that should apply to any mmo that enables the ability to buy ingame items off ebay too  (looking at you Blizzard)

http://www.wowlootcards.com/

  LizardEgypt

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Hmm ?

7/24/13 12:45:08 PM#29
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by swizards01
I want a real money cash grab so i can buy a new computer for my hard work in the game. For people that have a job and no time to play the game. They can buy my rare item, i don't care how many times they can kill me on pvp because i got a real money. Those people getting board the game they can sell the item to get there money back. The developer can also earn money daily for those people selling item by collecting tax. You can trade your gold in the market only, not in other character for safe. And no other website can sell the gold because you can't trade it in other character.

agree

 

as long as players can freely trade virtual gold

you will have P2W issues in any mmo regardless of ftp or sub or existing cash shop

 

to players claiming they will avoid any mmo with a cash shop

that should apply to any mmo that enables the ability to buy ingame items off ebay too  (looking at you Blizzard)

http://www.wowlootcards.com/

Not quite buddy. If people choose to pay ridiculous amounts of money for hard earned character accounts that someone else farmed. That is entirely different than having a game's integrity ripped apart so they can implement a way to sell gear and items for absolutely zero effort from the player. Nice try though, it was almost logic.

 

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  Four0Six

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7/24/13 12:47:58 PM#30
Originally posted by Fendel84M

People have been buying gear for real money since EQ1. Only difference is the developers weren't making the money. So in reality it doesn't trivialize anything since it's been going on forever whether you knew about it or not.

If gear is bought in a forest and no one is there to see it. Does it effect your gameplay?

It does as developers develop for the Shop, instead of developing a world.

When a Gold Seller sells gold to buy gear, he/she actually creates a new commodity. One that gets paid for twice. Twice because the developer sold it to you with the sub. Then you pay again for the GoldSellers's gold.

This system, although against the TOS, actually allows the developer to stay focused on making a game, and not focusing on developing for the cash shop. Here we can find an argument that this system is actually better for gamers. Would you rather a developer spend time on vanity items, pets, boost potions, and the like? Or would you prefer they spent their time on the environment and the game play?

 

  User Deleted
7/24/13 12:49:44 PM#31

rift is a bad example since it only sells gear to a point, the best gear can only be attained through gameplay other than that i really dont care as long as it doesnt affect the game balance (besides rift is a bad game anyway)

the ability to give money to do or get something faster doesnt bother me as long as the speed i can get it with normal gameplay is reasonable if game forces me to Raid or PvP in order to get something FUCK THAT GAME I DO WHAT I WANT so it might be good to have an option to buy the crap but its not like i would actualy bother buying them, in fact i wouldnt even fart to the direction  of a game like that

  Four0Six

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7/24/13 12:49:45 PM#32
Originally posted by Foomerang

Cash shops killed the mmorpg.

Like Video, and the Radio Star?

  Plump

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7/24/13 12:54:02 PM#33

Just registered to voice my overwhelming opinion against, here's why...

 

 

Buying gear for cash is a cancer to gaming. It should never have been incorporated at all. In the past, cheating (buying gear with real $$) was a grey area handled by shady third party sites. The player risked account actions and/or perma ban when engaging in such cheating. Fast forward to recent times, this cheating is openly embraced and welcomed. Sad just sad.

 

 

let me make my point clear and precise---Buying any non-cosmetic item with real world currency imo is cheating and completely trivializes/underscores the accomplishments of players that EARN the same items. At the very least, there should be separate servers in all games that offer P2W. One for the lazy, entitled bunch and one for those able to put the time in to earn such rewards.

 

 

Let me emphasize, the argument of "I don't have the time to spend 8 hours a day farming and doing dailies, so I rather buy the gear/items" is completely invalid in the traditional MMORPG sense. If you can't commit to the time investment required to achieve in game goals, then more than likely that game isn't for you. IT IS OK for games to appeal to niche/minority playerbases. When was it decided that EVERY person should have EQUAL opportunity to experience ALL aspects that a  game has to offer? That dynamic right there, Is at the very heart of what is wrong with modern gaming.

 

 

The truth is, [Greed] motivates 99% of the gaming industry now. There is no more genuine intention to put out revolutionary titles to move the genre forward. Corporate mentality rules the realm and when tasked with taking a risk or playing it safe...We all know what side of the coin that decision tends to land.

 

 
  Nadia

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7/24/13 12:55:32 PM#34
Originally posted by LizardEgypt

Not quite buddy. If people choose to pay ridiculous amounts of money for hard earned character accounts that someone else farmed. That is entirely different than having a game's integrity ripped apart so they can implement a way to sell gear and items for absolutely zero effort from the player. Nice try though, it was almost logic.

when you allow the ability to sell an ebay item on your auction house (that is paid with real money) to other players - thats a problem for me

 

you dont care if game companies allow their virtual items bought on Ebay are converted to gold ingame?

http://www.wowtcgloot.com/auction_house.htm

  GeezerGamer

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7/24/13 1:00:10 PM#35
Originally posted by Foomerang

Cash shops killed the mmorpg.

I don't know. I think there was an intermediate step in the process. Cash Shops are now the rule of thumb because MMOs cannot retain players long enough to make long term profits on subscriptions. That came about because of developers listening to players bitch about how unfair games are since they paid their 15 bucks they should get all the same stuff that others busted their asses off to get. So we end up with a mental shift from paying for access to paying for rewards. That is the key to this whole change. From there we started having games with no sense of endgame progression. The entire game revolves around dailies dungeons and raids. People got bored. And left. So, developers went full steam ahead with the paying for the reward thing. MMOs are dying from a different cause. Cash Shops are just the comfort measures used to hide a deeper issue.

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  SpottyGekko

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7/24/13 1:00:27 PM#36

I guess EVE's system works because all it actually does is to provide players (those that want to spend the money) with extra ingame currency.

EVE is perfectly playable without the extra currency, and that currency cannot buy you anything that isn't bought and sold on the market every day.

 

  doodphace

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7/24/13 1:08:17 PM#37
Originally posted by Nadia

selling raid spots in mmos like WOW is not much different

 

especially with virtual "ingame" items available on ebay   (WOW Loot Cards)

http://www.wowlootcards.com/

 

Blizzard has been offering an indirect cash shop for years

some of the ebay items (bought with real cash) can be sold directly on the WOW auction house

How on earth does selling vanity pets in any way relate to "buying gear" or "buying a raid spot"? Please explain, because I have no idea how pets can even remotly be added to this discussion lol

  doodphace

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7/24/13 1:10:29 PM#38
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by swizards01
I want a real money cash grab so i can buy a new computer for my hard work in the game. For people that have a job and no time to play the game. They can buy my rare item, i don't care how many times they can kill me on pvp because i got a real money. Those people getting board the game they can sell the item to get there money back. The developer can also earn money daily for those people selling item by collecting tax. You can trade your gold in the market only, not in other character for safe. And no other website can sell the gold because you can't trade it in other character.

agree

 

as long as players can freely trade virtual gold

you will have P2W issues in any mmo regardless of ftp or sub or existing cash shop

 

to players claiming they will avoid any mmo with a cash shop

that should apply to any mmo that enables the ability to buy ingame items off ebay too  (looking at you Blizzard)

http://www.wowlootcards.com/

 

Again though, I really don't think you mentioning WoW/Blizzard again and again because they offer vanity pets is helping this discussion (Pay to Win)

  Nadia

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7/24/13 1:14:54 PM#39
Originally posted by doodphace

Again though, I really don't think you mentioning WoW/Blizzard again and again because they offer vanity pets is helping this discussion (Pay to Win)

selling WOW loot card "ingame items" for gold is anything but cosmetic

 

Real money -> Wow loot card item -> trade for ingame gold -> buy WOW gear with gold

 

example:  trading this mount for gold

http://www.wowtcgloot.com/amani_dragonhawk.htm

  doodphace

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7/24/13 1:17:33 PM#40
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by doodphace

Again though, I really don't think you mentioning WoW/Blizzard again and again because they offer vanity pets is helping this discussion (Pay to Win)

selling WOW loot cards for ingame gold is anything but cosmetic

Its also anything but getting you a raid spot...not sure what you are trying to twist it into. If that much of a leap has to be made to call WoW "Pay to Win", then WoW is in pretty good shape...

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