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  jesad

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7/24/13 4:32:42 AM#41

I take playing an avatar of myself an additional step as I always, and have always, played a minimum of two characters, one who exhibits my idealistic nature and one who exhibits my realist nature in every game I play.

I once asked a guy why he played a female character and he told me it was because he'd rather stare at a female arse all day rather than a male one.

I can't roll like that.  Cause if I'm looking at it for that reason then I have to deduce that others are also, and that makes me feel like I'm trying to live as a female, and no offense to those who choose that path, but that's not why I play.

I did roll up a really cool version of The Bride from Kill Bill for COH one time.  Yellow Bruce Lee tracksuit and all.  I enjoyed playing her, and for the exact reason that she was smoking hot to look at and the power set really suited her.  It didn't last though.  After staring at that thing for a couple of hours every time, I'd find myself logging off and harassing my real life woman for the goods :P

She made me delete it.

  twrule

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7/24/13 5:00:16 AM#42
Originally posted by arieste

It's neither, but it's closer to the second thing.  

For me, they are fictional characters.  It's like writing a story or a screenplay and deciding what a character says and does.   You are not that character, although i suppose all characters are an extension of the author in some way.

That's as far as in-character interaction goes.  As far as out of character, i trust that when my female Ogre tells people about the hot blond girl i took to the movies, they understand that it wasn't an ACTUAL female ogre, that it was the human male behind the keyboard.

This is pretty much how I do things too. I make what you could call 'concept characters' which might have a certain persona or background story I quickly wrote in my head, or write as I'm playing.

It wouldn't be 'role-playing' if there wasn't something about who I really am animating the decisions the character makes, maybe an attitude I find myself in or some slice of my actual personality composes the character. But I certainly do not *identify* with my characters, and never have. The closest I've come is making a main character in a game that vaguely resembles me and whom acts as my full personality dictates - but that is still quite different from acting as though I *am* the character.

Since it seems like the issue of avatar gender is a concern of some people, like the OP, I'll address that too. I have zero problem with playing female characters - I can be completely comfortable doing so - and it's not because I completely disassociate myself from my character, thinking of them as merely polygons/sprites or for some stupid reason like "I'd rather look at a female behind" - which was invented by people who sought an easy excuse to get out of talking about identity issues with their virtual avatars...

The logic that "I self-designate as a male irl, therefore I must play as a 'male' character if I ever place myself in the position of my avatar while role-playing" seems to hinge on a grievous misunderstanding of gender...but I won't start a rant - the point is there is no reason to be apprehensive about playing an avatar of any 'gender'.

  jesad

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7/24/13 5:30:11 AM#43
Originally posted by twrule

The logic that "I self-designate as a male irl, therefore I must play as a 'male' character if I ever place myself in the position of my avatar while role-playing" seems to hinge on a grievous misunderstanding of gender...

Not to jump on you dude, or derail, but you have to admit, a lot of MMO's are mostly populated by horny 20 somethings (paired up or not), horny teenagers (mostly non-paired), and outright dirty old men (paired but not digging it so much).  Do you really expect to find a deep understanding of gender in those demographics?

A dude see's a female character and he wants there to be a female on the other side.  That's why so many dudes rolled female characters in the beginning in order to bilk the unsuspecting out of their stuff, which they would give away freely at the mere idea that they were talking to an actual girl.

Trying to apply real-life understanding of gender to this environment then is a little reaching in my honest opinion.

  twrule

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7/24/13 5:43:06 AM#44
Originally posted by jesad
Originally posted by twrule

The logic that "I self-designate as a male irl, therefore I must play as a 'male' character if I ever place myself in the position of my avatar while role-playing" seems to hinge on a grievous misunderstanding of gender...

Not to jump on you dude, or derail, but you have to admit, a lot of MMO's are mostly populated by horny 20 somethings (paired up or not), horny teenagers (mostly non-paired), and outright dirty old men (paired but not digging it so much).  Do you really expect to find a deep understanding of gender in those demographics?

No, I don't expect to find it among such groups, but I see that way of thinking in this very thread and when confronted with it, I see no reason not to respond, as long as I am going to post at all. The OP himself seems unsure of how to think about such things, and I took it upon myself to encourage that certain misunderstandings that lead to such anxieties be dispelled.

Trying to apply real-life understanding of gender to this environment then is a little reaching in my honest opinion.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. I was only ever responding to how people think of gender 'in real life' - like some posters on this thread admit to doing. Whether people take advantage of the naivete of others in game environments was not my concern.

 

  Icewhite

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7/24/13 5:51:00 AM#45

Neither. My avatar is a character that I play.

That role is not me (no 'extension of you'), in fact it is often as different from me as I can comfortably imagine.

'Minion that I control' is also inaccurate, since each one (ideally) develops an individual 'personality' and reacts individually (again, hopefully very differently than I would).

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  Nikopol

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7/24/13 6:08:25 AM#46

I see it pretty much like a character in a story I'm writing.

If I can write a story with a female protagonist, I can play a female character in an MMO.

  Jean-Luc_Picard

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7/24/13 11:00:21 AM#47

"An extension of myself in the game world - 62.6%"

Wow (no pun intended), and I thought I was a nerd...

Some of my real life behaviors definitely reflect on my in game behavior, but an extension... err nope, when I play a 7 feet tall female norn warrior badass with a sword taller than I am in real life, that's not a projection of me, that's a character I have fun to play.

One thing that reflects is that I have a hard time being an asshole in real life, and same thing in the games I play. For instance, in 8 years of playing WoW on various servers, I only ganked a lower level character once, and only one time (no camping)... I was on my max level Tauren shaman, happily doing my business without even looking for trouble, when I see that low level alliance named "Ikillhorde" arrive. I just couldn't resist, I sent him once to the graveyard, but only because of the name. I've seen many stupid names and behaviors from people I could have one hit that I ignored, because I always remember there's a person behind the keyboard and killing that character with one hit would achieve nothing but ruin the fun of that person.

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  WhiteLantern

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7/24/13 11:06:11 AM#48
Originally posted by Loktofeit
In most MMOs I have one 'me' and one 'minion'.

^This. Except I sometimes have more than one "minion".

My "me" is typically my RP character and always male. My "minions" are either.

I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil

  Icewhite

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7/24/13 11:14:06 AM#49
Originally posted by Nikopol

I see it pretty much like a character in a story I'm writing.

If I can write a story with a female protagonist, I can play a female character in an MMO.


Or dancing naked on a table to mess with nerd's sexuality? You bet.

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  User Deleted
7/24/13 3:16:41 PM#50

when it comes to MMORPGs i like to consider the character as an extension of myself and when it comes to games that force me to play as someone else (Lara Croft, Joel,) and such frankly i dont pay attention or dont care (about the character) since i cant have a choice in the story line im forced through good example, the rewarded game called "the walking dead" i hated the MC (Lee) the freedom of choice was just an illusion i would've dissed that kid from the get go. also there was other choices i couldnt make or wasnt allowed to. well i understand that there had to be a limit somewhere to make the game work.

btw i called after the first 20 minutes of gameplay that the kid will get me killed and oh boy was i right or what?

oops little of topic there...

and players who say "im going to spend hours on gameplay so i would rather stare at female ass" or something along those lines are just hyper sensitive about being branded with a tag of "Homo" "Gay" "gayish" or something along those lines (mostly in their minds) (or just perverts or fetishists for pixel girls) well its not my business and dont care, do what you want

No NO this is turning into a rant ......have to stop...... before the demon takes over.....Ö_Ö..........( *_* ) ....

as an extension i mean "I do this" "I go do that" whats so nerdy about that? rather than "lets walk her there" "he needs a healer" "lets take her clothes off". projecting your behaviour and personality to the character rather than role playing as some one else or controlling a minion

  Brenelael

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7/24/13 3:48:46 PM#51

I play games to escape my life for a little while so my avatars tend to be as far from being me as the game will allow. When I want to be me I go out and do something in the real world.

 

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  AvsRock21

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7/24/13 8:59:25 PM#52
I have a life outside of games. My avatars are in no way an extension of myself. I don't play games to meet social needs, because life already supplies me with far more social activity than my needs require. My characters in-game are just minions that I like to play with. That's why female chars rock! What straight guy likes to look at a male 3d character model while they are playing games? Lol. The only game where my avatar was more of an extension of myself than a minion was EVE, because my ships were my minions. And you hardly ever see your avatar in EVE.
  daltanious

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7/25/13 2:47:37 PM#53
Originally posted by Scot
Avatars are an extension of you, so I do not play babes, but I do play Dwarves, Bhami, Elves and the like. Not sure what that says about any of us? :)

Funny idea, never thougt about. Would never play female char as I'm male ... but on the other side have no problems playing any race and color ... as long as it is male. Lol.

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