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General Discussion  » Remember -- EQNext was awarded "Game of Show" twice.

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  Brabbit1987

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7/21/13 5:48:47 PM#41
Originally posted by Dullahan
Originally posted by Brabbit1987

I like how some of the people here act like, because it got best in show by 2 big sites, it MUST be at least something decent.

You do realize what is behind the site is ... yep, people like us. Just because they run a big site, what makes their opinion anymore greater then someone else? Because they played a lot of games? LOL we all have!

Hmm, I don't think all of "us" have major websites where our opinions can hurt our credibility, affect our readership and, on some level, jeopardize our source of income.

Two of the biggest online mmo sites independently made a controversial decision to bestow its best in show award on an unshown game, something afaik thats unprecedented,  and people pretend its not a big deal.  Lawl.  TESO fans maybe?

 

How likely do you think it would hurt their cred? It's their opinion, it can't hurt their cred. That's just a stupid excuse. Again, they are people just like us who have their own opinions. Their opinions is not a reflection on the entire mmo community, no offence. You act like the community never disagreed with one of these big sites, which has happened before, and yet they are still here and doing fine.

 

Also, it's not about TESO, I feel the same way about it. I will judge it when it comes out. It's really that simple. I simply go by what "I" think, and not what some site says. You know, because I am able to make my own decisions and opinions about a game. Don't need someone else making them for me XD.

If you want your opinion swayed and decided by sites with out knowing anything at all, ok go for it. 

  Roin

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7/21/13 6:16:55 PM#42
I could never accept a "Best of Show" or "Best at Show" that was only shown behind closed doors. Me, personally that would instantly disqualify it from even being considered.

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  Gallus85

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7/22/13 3:57:58 AM#43
Originally posted by tkoreaper

Game of show is just that... Game of the SHOW. Doesn't mean it's absolutely spectacular... You have to see what it's competition was. They simply won't not give out the reward if they feel nothing is worth it... They literally pick the best of the show. So keep that in mind.

In spite of what I just said I feel EQN will be great, but how much? We'll just have to see. Nothing will ever be perfect, but so long as it's enjoyable who cares?

Considering some of the competition included a TES title, and no less than 3 or 4 highly anticipated sandbox titles (Archeage, black desert, The Repopulation, Wildstar, etc....)

It was no small amount of praise.

Just saying...

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  Gallus85

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7/22/13 4:02:41 AM#44
Originally posted by Roin
I could never accept a "Best of Show" or "Best at Show" that was only shown behind closed doors. Me, personally that would instantly disqualify it from even being considered.

Why?  That's some weird logic.  The people who saw it behind closed doors got to see it for themselves.  They weren't taking someone's word on it.

They evaluated what they saw vs the other, public shown MMOs and made the choice they felt was best.  The fact that they got a screening to something others didn't should have zero bearing on what level of quality they thought the game was.

The picked the best from what they saw.

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  Naqaj

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7/22/13 4:05:57 AM#45
Looking at this list, it would seem 'Best of Show' is an award given to the games with the most interesting intentions, but somewhat independent of how well they manage to deliver on those.
  Gallus85

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7/22/13 4:13:51 AM#46
Originally posted by Brabbit1987
Originally posted by Dullahan
Originally posted by Brabbit1987

I like how some of the people here act like, because it got best in show by 2 big sites, it MUST be at least something decent.

You do realize what is behind the site is ... yep, people like us. Just because they run a big site, what makes their opinion anymore greater then someone else? Because they played a lot of games? LOL we all have!

Hmm, I don't think all of "us" have major websites where our opinions can hurt our credibility, affect our readership and, on some level, jeopardize our source of income.

Two of the biggest online mmo sites independently made a controversial decision to bestow its best in show award on an unshown game, something afaik thats unprecedented,  and people pretend its not a big deal.  Lawl.  TESO fans maybe?

 

How likely do you think it would hurt their cred? It's their opinion, it can't hurt their cred. That's just a stupid excuse. Again, they are people just like us who have their own opinions. Their opinions is not a reflection on the entire mmo community, no offence. You act like the community never disagreed with one of these big sites, which has happened before, and yet they are still here and doing fine.

 

Also, it's not about TESO, I feel the same way about it. I will judge it when it comes out. It's really that simple. I simply go by what "I" think, and not what some site says. You know, because I am able to make my own decisions and opinions about a game. Don't need someone else making them for me XD.

If you want your opinion swayed and decided by sites with out knowing anything at all, ok go for it. 

Game journalists do have reputations to consider.  They are human, with their own opinions and tastes, but you try to be as professional and objective as possible.  When "players" or bad journalists give critiques or analysis on games, they tend to be selfish and subjective.  They don't talk about what the game has or the quality of the product.  They tend to talk about why they didn't like it.  Which is about as useful as having a guy who hates first person shooters tell you about what he thinks of Battlefield 4.

A respectable journalist and game industry professionals learn to evaluate games from a design standpoint.  What does the game bring to the table, what mechanics and systems have they improved on.  The polish of said systems and how well the interact with other systems.

If a journalist puts out an extremely misleading article, it hurts their fan base and in turn makes the site lose money.

So yes, it is important they give honest and accurate accounting of what they're reporting on.

No one should automatically like a game just because someone else said it was good.  But when (2) respectable journalists working for (2) respected sites give high praise, it does make me excited.  There is something there to back it up, that's for sure.  How much I personally end up enjoying the game will depend entirely on my personal tastes, though.

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  ste2000

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7/22/13 4:14:20 AM#47
Originally posted by Vhayne
So whatever worries we all have, hopefully it will still be a great game.  I have to many worries to count, and to many dreams for it to become a reality.  But rest assured that the game must be something special.  Either that, or these 2 sites will lose a lot of credibility.

Well....................

I like MMORPG.com for its Forums mainly.

Not so sure about the Journalist part of it.

Look how much they praised SWTOR and other MMO flops.

 

Sometimes I think MMORPG.com staff are a bit out of tune with its members, they seems not to understand what their base really expect from a MMO.

I hope this time their enthusiasm is genuine.

  Gallus85

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7/22/13 4:16:31 AM#48
Originally posted by ste2000
Originally posted by Vhayne
So whatever worries we all have, hopefully it will still be a great game.  I have to many worries to count, and to many dreams for it to become a reality.  But rest assured that the game must be something special.  Either that, or these 2 sites will lose a lot of credibility.

Well....................

I like MMORPG.com for its Forums mainly.

Not so sure about the Journalist part of it.

Look how much they praised SWTOR and other MMO flops.

 

Sometimes I think MMORPG.com staff are a bit out of tune with its members, they seems not to understand what their base really expect from a MMO.

I hope this time their enthusiasm is genuine.

There are like two or three million players active on swtor right now.

Hardly a flop by any standards, even if you don't personally like the game, and I have no doubt that their praise of the title was well earned and based on interesting and fun design innovations that SWTOR brought to the genre.

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  Kyleran

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7/22/13 4:17:46 AM#49
Originally posted by Gallus85
Originally posted by Roin
I could never accept a "Best of Show" or "Best at Show" that was only shown behind closed doors. Me, personally that would instantly disqualify it from even being considered.

Why?  That's some weird logic.  The people who saw it behind closed doors got to see it for themselves.  They weren't taking someone's word on it.

They evaluated what they saw vs the other, public shown MMOs and made the choice they felt was best.  The fact that they got a screening to something others didn't should have zero bearing on what level of quality they thought the game was.

The picked the best from what they saw.

 

Hmm, would it be OK for a movie to win the Academy Award for best picture if it had never been released to the public? Probably not. Game site reviewers seem more susceptible to the hype train than most, and these awards are frequent based more on what is promised vs the final delivery so are not good indicators of future market success.

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  Kyleran

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7/22/13 4:20:50 AM#50
Originally posted by Gallus85
Originally posted by ste2000
Originally posted by Vhayne
So whatever worries we all have, hopefully it will still be a great game.  I have to many worries to count, and to many dreams for it to become a reality.  But rest assured that the game must be something special.  Either that, or these 2 sites will lose a lot of credibility.

Well....................

I like MMORPG.com for its Forums mainly.

Not so sure about the Journalist part of it.

Look how much they praised SWTOR and other MMO flops.

 

Sometimes I think MMORPG.com staff are a bit out of tune with its members, they seems not to understand what their base really expect from a MMO.

I hope this time their enthusiasm is genuine.

There are like two or three million players active on swtor right now.

Hardly a flop by any standards, even if you don't personally like the game, and I have no doubt that their praise of the title was well earned and based on interesting and fun design innovations that SWTOR brought to the genre.

 

OK, I'll cry BS on this figure, likely not even higher than 500k paying customers, freeloaders are irrelevant to the equation.

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  Gallus85

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7/22/13 4:21:16 AM#51
Originally posted by Kyleran
Originally posted by Gallus85
Originally posted by Roin
I could never accept a "Best of Show" or "Best at Show" that was only shown behind closed doors. Me, personally that would instantly disqualify it from even being considered.

Why?  That's some weird logic.  The people who saw it behind closed doors got to see it for themselves.  They weren't taking someone's word on it.

They evaluated what they saw vs the other, public shown MMOs and made the choice they felt was best.  The fact that they got a screening to something others didn't should have zero bearing on what level of quality they thought the game was.

The picked the best from what they saw.

 

Hmm, would it be OK for a movie to win the Academy Award for best picture if it had never been released to the public? Probably not. Game site reviewers seem more susceptible to the hype train than most, and these awards are frequent based more on what is promised vs the final delivery so are not good indicators of future market success.

The awards they gave were specific to their site.  The only people who needed to see the game to rightfully award such praise are the people who work for and write articles for the sites.  The logic of "It's not fair, I didn't see it, so they shouldn't be able to judge it" is beyond comical.

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  Gallus85

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7/22/13 4:22:36 AM#52
Originally posted by Kyleran
Originally posted by Gallus85
Originally posted by ste2000
Originally posted by Vhayne
So whatever worries we all have, hopefully it will still be a great game.  I have to many worries to count, and to many dreams for it to become a reality.  But rest assured that the game must be something special.  Either that, or these 2 sites will lose a lot of credibility.

Well....................

I like MMORPG.com for its Forums mainly.

Not so sure about the Journalist part of it.

Look how much they praised SWTOR and other MMO flops.

 

Sometimes I think MMORPG.com staff are a bit out of tune with its members, they seems not to understand what their base really expect from a MMO.

I hope this time their enthusiasm is genuine.

There are like two or three million players active on swtor right now.

Hardly a flop by any standards, even if you don't personally like the game, and I have no doubt that their praise of the title was well earned and based on interesting and fun design innovations that SWTOR brought to the genre.

 

OK, I'll cry BS on this figure, likely not even higher than 500k paying customers, freeloaders are irrelevant to the equation.

Research how F2P works and why the freeloaders are a good thing and why F2P brings in more money than P2P.

I'll give you a hint, what I said was not BS and F2P works wonders for MMOs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXA559KNopI

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  MumboJumbo

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7/22/13 4:24:08 AM#53
Originally posted by ste2000
Originally posted by Vhayne
So whatever worries we all have, hopefully it will still be a great game.  I have to many worries to count, and to many dreams for it to become a reality.  But rest assured that the game must be something special.  Either that, or these 2 sites will lose a lot of credibility.

Well....................

I like MMORPG.com for its Forums mainly.

Not so sure about the Journalist part of it.

Look how much they praised SWTOR and other MMO flops.

 

Sometimes I think MMORPG.com staff are a bit out of tune with its members, they seems not to understand what their base really expect from a MMO.

I hope this time their enthusiasm is genuine.

The main problem I think is the way mmorpg.com has such a primitive review system. I think what they write and how they write is more or less very good in transmitting their thoughts and feelings on a game: Which is as valid as any review. But a review system should provide various consolidation to inform players and I think mmorpg.com does not provide that.

For eg:

1. aggregate review score (across the web)

2. break-down review scores (graphics, game controls, gameplay) with perhaps more analysis than what is currently done.

3. Context review scores in comparison to similar mmorpgs and within it's category

4. If you like x then you will like this variety of comparisons for different types of players.

As it stands an arbitrary industry positive score is usually the end conclusion: IE devs took 4-5yrs, spent 50-100m$ = if you pay X$ you'll see that.  

  ste2000

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Joined: 2/28/04
Posts: 4733

7/22/13 5:18:17 AM#54
Originally posted by Gallus85
Originally posted by ste2000
 

There are like two or three million players active on swtor right now.

Hardly a flop by any standards, even if you don't personally like the game, and I have no doubt that their praise of the title was well earned and based on interesting and fun design innovations that SWTOR brought to the genre.

C'mon now...........

The reason there are 3 million active accounts is because the game is Free, and only a tiny part of that are paying customers.

Also if the game was successful in the first place it would never had become F2P, let alone in just 6 months time.

By any standard SWTOR is a big flop, I predicted that 6 months before even playing Beta, while MMORPG.com were still supporting it even after launch, when it was already obvious to most players that the game was shallow and had a short longevity time span.

  Acidon

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7/22/13 5:22:45 AM#55
Originally posted by OG_Zorvan

Please. Plenty of floppeed games have gotten the "Best of Show" crap. Best of show amounts to nothing more than "We have the best looking, specially rigged and strictly controlled demo that the real game will look nothing like at release".

None of that crap matters until the game is put out into the wild for people to play the real game.

You know, eventually, when you have succeeded in crushing the hope of every single person on the internet, human kind's demise will finally come into full swing.

Earth needs a reboot.  We fucked up.  So I don't necessarily disagree with your methods, but on the other hand a bit of compassion can go a long ways.

I said that with a straight face.  \o/

 

 

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  Brabbit1987

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Joined: 10/02/11
Posts: 675

7/22/13 7:04:52 AM#56
Originally posted by Gallus85
Originally posted by Brabbit1987
Originally posted by Dullahan
Originally posted by Brabbit1987

I like how some of the people here act like, because it got best in show by 2 big sites, it MUST be at least something decent.

You do realize what is behind the site is ... yep, people like us. Just because they run a big site, what makes their opinion anymore greater then someone else? Because they played a lot of games? LOL we all have!

Hmm, I don't think all of "us" have major websites where our opinions can hurt our credibility, affect our readership and, on some level, jeopardize our source of income.

Two of the biggest online mmo sites independently made a controversial decision to bestow its best in show award on an unshown game, something afaik thats unprecedented,  and people pretend its not a big deal.  Lawl.  TESO fans maybe?

 

How likely do you think it would hurt their cred? It's their opinion, it can't hurt their cred. That's just a stupid excuse. Again, they are people just like us who have their own opinions. Their opinions is not a reflection on the entire mmo community, no offence. You act like the community never disagreed with one of these big sites, which has happened before, and yet they are still here and doing fine.

 

Also, it's not about TESO, I feel the same way about it. I will judge it when it comes out. It's really that simple. I simply go by what "I" think, and not what some site says. You know, because I am able to make my own decisions and opinions about a game. Don't need someone else making them for me XD.

If you want your opinion swayed and decided by sites with out knowing anything at all, ok go for it. 

Game journalists do have reputations to consider.  They are human, with their own opinions and tastes, but you try to be as professional and objective as possible.  When "players" or bad journalists give critiques or analysis on games, they tend to be selfish and subjective.  They don't talk about what the game has or the quality of the product.  They tend to talk about why they didn't like it.  Which is about as useful as having a guy who hates first person shooters tell you about what he thinks of Battlefield 4.

A respectable journalist and game industry professionals learn to evaluate games from a design standpoint.  What does the game bring to the table, what mechanics and systems have they improved on.  The polish of said systems and how well the interact with other systems.

If a journalist puts out an extremely misleading article, it hurts their fan base and in turn makes the site lose money.

So yes, it is important they give honest and accurate accounting of what they're reporting on.

No one should automatically like a game just because someone else said it was good.  But when (2) respectable journalists working for (2) respected sites give high praise, it does make me excited.  There is something there to back it up, that's for sure.  How much I personally end up enjoying the game will depend entirely on my personal tastes, though.

The problem is, no one knows what they saw at the show. They evaluate games from a design standpoint? Are you sure they did this for EQN? Was a playable version there? Was it simply a talk about that game and what they are planning? Was it concept art?

Again, I don't care who gives a game best in show, it doesn't mean a darn thing if no one knows a thing about it. Also, no offence these sites have praised other games that I don't particularly like. Again, it's an opinion, and no matter how they look at it, it will always be their opinion.

Also, again it will not hurt their cred because it's their opinion. If someone raged off a site in a fit because they didn't agree with an article about a game, they are retarded. 

Again, you are excited about something you know nothing about. A good example was Elder Scrolls Online. So many people where excited when they first heard of it. As development continued, more and more people turned their eyes on it, because it just no longer felt like Elder Scroll. This same type of thing can happen with EQN, yet so many are getting excited by it getting best in show. It's almost like a lot of you are new to this MMO thing.

  zymurgeist

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Joined: 12/24/04
Posts: 5186

7/22/13 7:11:57 AM#57

Que Sera, Sera,
Whatever will be, will be
The future's not ours, to see
Que Sera, Sera
What will be, will be.

 

You people worry too much about things you cannot control. Set your insecurities aside.
 

"Strong and bitter words indicate a weak cause" ~Victor Hugo

  Coman

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Joined: 8/29/04
Posts: 1952

7/22/13 7:17:35 AM#58
Just because people write about games, does not mean they actually know what is a good game. The people who suppose to create them often do not seem to understand what makes a good game. So how much is such an award really worth?  E3 is just one big marketing campaign for those companies. Blindly trusting anything coming from those events is just as crazy as trusting the ad's you see on this site claiming to be the "best" game out there. 
  Arakazi

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Joined: 5/23/09
Posts: 850

7/22/13 8:31:00 AM#59
Only two weeks left.... All I can say is thank f*ck for that. Sick to the back teeth with the way some people are promoting the game, continually ignoring the fact they know f*ck all about the game. Like a sad old man drooling over a woman he has never met, they continue fantasise over what might be and to talk utter drivel while the rest of us impatiently wait for solid information. One poster in particular is even defending SWTOR because it just happen to win the reward too. Pathetic. NOBODY defends that heap of junk, even their developers admit it sucks. Two best of show rewards? So what?! Tera and defiance won that reward,  two sorry excuses for an MMO if there ever was one. Oh yeah SWTOR won that reward! Fanboys, drooling like pavlov's dog everytime EQNext is mentioned. Do it in private, it's embaressing to the rest of us.

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  MumboJumbo

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Joined: 7/18/10
Posts: 3170

Veni, Vidi, Converti

7/22/13 8:40:57 AM#60

MMORPG.com staff have really put their collective heads on the block with that verdict of confidence. It's like saying, "I'm so confident, that if I'm wrong you can press this button and eject me from this airplane (View To A Kill style) if I'm wrong."

I think the "forgelight engine" and the addition of "make it yourself storybricks" has got to be why EQN is such a winner in MMORPG.com staff's eyes - and in 2 weeks the punters of mmorpg.com as well. 

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