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  zevni78

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Joined: 12/02/10
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OP  7/21/13 11:51:36 AM#1

The one thing we know for a fact about EQN is that is will have a PS2 style cashshop, and not a sub option, subs still work for many sandboxes such as EVE and makes sense given the way economies and progression work in them. I cannot see how a cashshop will not undercut crafting and player made content.

 

I thought my concerns may be shared by other here, so we should chat about it... proceed.

  Toxia

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7/21/13 11:53:58 AM#2
Dont much care about cash shops, long as the game is good.

The Deep Web is sca-ry.

  Robokapp

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Joined: 11/15/09
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The only luck I had today was to have you as my opponent.

7/21/13 11:56:41 AM#3
Originally posted by Toxia
Dont much care about cash shops, long as the game is good.

by 'game' you mean with or without the cs ?

  Ramanadjinn

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7/21/13 12:00:30 PM#4

Are you sure there is no sub option?  I am subbed to PS2 right now.

In any case, I worry the game won't really be the type of "sandbox" game most of us are expecting.

For all I know it could be a standard bleed us dry themepark cash shop MMO with this storybricks content stuff added on so they can say "look! sandbox!"

I'm not trying to call it. I have hopes the game will be great. The question you pose has concerned me though and until August 2nd i'm not going to discount anything.

  niceguy3978

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7/21/13 12:02:27 PM#5
Originally posted by zevni78

The one thing we know for a fact about EQN is that is will have a PS2 style cashshop, and not a sub option, subs still work for many sandboxes such as EVE and makes sense given the way economies and progression work in them. I cannot see how a cashshop will not undercut crafting and player made content.

 

I thought my concerns may be shared by other here, so we should chat about it... proceed.

I didn't see where they said it wouldn't have a sub option.  I thought it was to be the same as all their other f2p games.

  NorseGod

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7/21/13 12:10:47 PM#6

Not going to bother with this MMO if there's no sub option.

I can't afford to play "F2P" MMOs.

I don't want to make it all the way to Mount Doom and a pop-up in the middle of my screen says "Congrats! You've made it to Mount Doom! Please pay 6000 SOE Bucks to enter."

I don't want to spend hours questing and raiding for top gear items only to get a pop-up in the middle of my screen telling me to "Pay 9000 SOE Bucks to use this item. Click here for more details."

No thanks.

  zevni78

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OP  7/21/13 12:16:28 PM#7

I was told it would have no sub option, but if it does that makes me more optimistic, at least about being made to spend a lot in the CS, as a sub should mean we get enough perks to not need to. But still, they will have to fill the shop with something, and I wonder what could be in there not won't effect the freedom a sandbox should have.

 

I am also one of those worried that "sandbox" to Smedly means dungeon foundry and storybricks quests, and not in-game world manipulation. What I really want is a AAA Wurm Online, not just a themepark built by other players.

 

  Phry

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7/21/13 12:16:54 PM#8
If the cash shop in EQN is like the one in PS2 then i won't be touching the game, regardless of how good it might, or might not be. I just don't like pay to win games, and with a cash shop like PS2 your going to see items like Vorpal swords, or Flametongues etc being sold for real cash. The PS2 cash shop is a blight, plain and simple, and a game would have to be more than just 'awesome' to overcome the negative factor it would bring to the game. Or they could go the Cryptic/PWI road and sell you keys for real money that unlock special in game loot boxes.  Both routes have a degree of epic failness though. So seeing how the cash shop is run will really be the making or breaking of the game, although have to say, cash shops by far and away, are more likely to break a game than make it.
  vmoped

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Joined: 3/07/04
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7/21/13 12:24:13 PM#9
Originally posted by Phry
If the cash shop in EQN is like the one in PS2 then i won't be touching the game, regardless of how good it might, or might not be. I just don't like pay to win games, and with a cash shop like PS2 your going to see items like Vorpal swords, or Flametongues etc being sold for real cash. The PS2 cash shop is a blight, plain and simple, and a game would have to be more than just 'awesome' to overcome the negative factor it would bring to the game. Or they could go the Cryptic/PWI road and sell you keys for real money that unlock special in game loot boxes.  Both routes have a degree of epic failness though. So seeing how the cash shop is run will really be the making or breaking of the game, although have to say, cash shops by far and away, are more likely to break a game than make it.

I have to admit, my time in PS2 was clouded by the CS.  I'm not sure how it is now, but being able to unlock weapons for some of the vehicles that annihilated peeps without such weapons drove my mates and I away from it.  A FPS should be skilled based, not who has the best armaments (a bb-gun is no match to a mini-gun).  Besides, what military expects its soldiers to use their grandfather's gun or spend their own money on modern weaponry?  I sincerely hope they do not have the same plans for EQN.

Cheers!

Edit: and these same issues are driving me from Neverwinter as well, just to add.

MMO Vet since AOL Neverwinter Nights circa 1992. My MMO beat up your MMO. =S

  Waterlily

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Joined: 5/26/08
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7/21/13 12:30:41 PM#10
Originally posted by NorseGod

I don't want to spend hours questing and raiding for top gear items only to get a pop-up in the middle of my screen telling me to "Pay 9000 SOE Bucks to use this item. Click here for more details."

 

"Buy a key to open your lockbox"

lol F2P

  Dreamo84

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Joined: 5/20/04
Posts: 2992

I actually still like MMORPGs

7/21/13 12:33:38 PM#11
Originally posted by Waterlily
Originally posted by NorseGod

I don't want to spend hours questing and raiding for top gear items only to get a pop-up in the middle of my screen telling me to "Pay 9000 SOE Bucks to use this item. Click here for more details."

 

"Buy a key to open your lockbox"

lol F2P

Buy expansion to keep leveling

lol P2P

Subscription gets you everything! Until we want you to pay more.

  NorseGod

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Joined: 2/28/12
Posts: 574

7/21/13 12:35:43 PM#12
Originally posted by Waterlily
Originally posted by NorseGod

I don't want to spend hours questing and raiding for top gear items only to get a pop-up in the middle of my screen telling me to "Pay 9000 SOE Bucks to use this item. Click here for more details."

 

"Buy a key to open your lockbox"

lol F2P

"We're sorry, but the timer on your Item Use Authorization has expired. To equip this item, please see our Cash Shop for details."

We're sorry, but you have exceeded the amount of times Authorized to Use this Ability. To continue to use this ability, please see our cash shop for details."

  NorseGod

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Joined: 2/28/12
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7/21/13 12:38:04 PM#13
Originally posted by Fendel84M
Originally posted by Waterlily
Originally posted by NorseGod

I don't want to spend hours questing and raiding for top gear items only to get a pop-up in the middle of my screen telling me to "Pay 9000 SOE Bucks to use this item. Click here for more details."

 

"Buy a key to open your lockbox"

lol F2P

Buy expansion to keep leveling

lol P2P

Subscription gets you everything! Until we want you to pay more.

Like EVE?

  ste2000

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Joined: 2/28/04
Posts: 4734

7/21/13 12:38:29 PM#14
There will be a Sub option
  User Deleted
7/21/13 12:42:44 PM#15

In my experience, cash shops take away from other game systems in an mmo.

  Monamia222

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Joined: 10/04/10
Posts: 52

7/21/13 12:52:41 PM#16

I never minded paying for expansions every 6 months or so.  Its better than having to switch games every 6 months, imo.

  Bigmamajama

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Joined: 6/18/13
Posts: 206

7/21/13 1:00:21 PM#17
Originally posted by Fendel84M
Originally posted by Waterlily
Originally posted by NorseGod

I don't want to spend hours questing and raiding for top gear items only to get a pop-up in the middle of my screen telling me to "Pay 9000 SOE Bucks to use this item. Click here for more details."

 

"Buy a key to open your lockbox"

lol F2P

Buy expansion to keep leveling

lol P2P

Subscription gets you everything! Until we want you to pay more.

I think your calculator is broken.  Do you actually think a free game with a cash shop is cheaper in the long run?  I suppose if you just dabble in the mediocre parts of a game and enjoy playing the supporting cast to the exceptional then yes, so welcome to mediocrity  Enjoy your stay.  I prefer exceptional and exceptional in a F2P with cash shop costs far more than a P2P with a sub.  This is not debatable.

Its easy to sniff out the average players and financially challenged.  They all love F2P's.

 

  Shadowguy64

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Joined: 4/11/13
Posts: 880

7/21/13 1:03:10 PM#18

I do fear the cash shop. I do fear that EQN may end up being like every other F2P MMO I've tried which was essentially play for a week or 2, realize the game costs about 5 x more then a standard subscription game and then quit.

 

 

  Iadien

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Joined: 2/12/04
Posts: 646

7/21/13 1:16:55 PM#19
Originally posted by Shadowguy64

I do fear the cash shop. I do fear that EQN may end up being like every other F2P MMO I've tried which was essentially play for a week or 2, realize the game costs about 5 x more then a standard subscription game and then quit.

 

 

Or, just pay for the sub and ignore the cash shop?

  Shadowguy64

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Joined: 4/11/13
Posts: 880

7/21/13 1:25:50 PM#20
Originally posted by Iadien
Originally posted by Shadowguy64

I do fear the cash shop. I do fear that EQN may end up being like every other F2P MMO I've tried which was essentially play for a week or 2, realize the game costs about 5 x more then a standard subscription game and then quit. 

Or, just pay for the sub and ignore the cash shop?

 

Can it be ignored? Is a sub confirmed? Will others that I play with be gimped free players?

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