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  arieste

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7/20/13 10:24:25 AM#41

AoC came out without a "gear treadmill" with most gear being pretty generic and not making a huge difference.  While i'm sure SOME people liked, the vast majority just found it boring.  At the end of the day, i think RPG players want to slay the dragon and get the +5 Sword of Dragon Slaying.  There is only so far you can get with doing everything "for fun only".  

 

I chose the 3rd option because as longas it's good, i WILL play it, but i think it would be extremely difficult to design a good game that doesn't provide good character-upgrading rewards for tough challenges.   

 

Simply put - gettng cool stuff is fun.  Doing something amazing and getting an amazing reward is fun. 

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  Karble

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7/20/13 2:49:17 PM#42

Gear.... I would like to see this in EQ Next

All gear types can break (become only good for salvage materials)

All gear damages with use. More damage taken in some situations and less in others.

Gear starts with a quality rating. The higher the quality rating, the longer the gear will last before needing repair or breaking.

There will be a special gear type called Fabled that does not degrade, but is extremely rare.

Raiding will supply items with overall higher quality ratings.

 

This basic design would make raiding worth it to get items that don't wear down as fast in addition to extra stats.

  NodboN

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Joined: 10/21/09
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im all back of the class

7/20/13 3:29:38 PM#43

I like the idea of collecting crafting gear, but i wouldn't want that gear to be the best in game. Don't get me wrong the high lvl gear you craft would be at the top 95 percentile at least.

I still want gear from lore to be better. gear with special names and models that don't recur, shows you'v been here and  killed that epic monster.

A game needs a portion of achievement for hard core gamer's, something that lets them feel set apart from casual players

with gear-grind, it better be for something really useful and worth it --- ill play

without gear-grind, the crafting better be beyond compare with hundreds or thousands of different gear models, with enchanting so that i can change the stats to fit the gear i like --- ill play

i just hate games where everyone looks the same clone after clone after clone.

  ste2000

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7/20/13 3:38:35 PM#44

Sanbox games aren't meant to be Gear centric...................if they are, then they are not sandboxes.

So I hope that there will be many more things to do in EQNext than collecting gear............

  NodboN

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im all back of the class

7/20/13 5:50:27 PM#45
a sandbox game is the choices you make on how you play, everyone plays differently. if anything a higher lvl of choice of what gear to wear and what not to wear is in the spirit of sandbox choices. But yes i too hope there is a lot more to do than collect gear, i still want to collect tho.
  aeremus

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7/20/13 9:50:22 PM#46

I really hope that the gear/crafting system is like star wars galaxies was with one exception the clothing/armor attachments can be removed from your gear by a crafter/crafter kit so you can put them in a new set of gear as the attachments will be drops and good ones hard to come by.

 

  rojo6934

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"It is double pleasure to deceive the deceiver". - Niccolo Machiavelli

7/20/13 9:59:42 PM#47

gear threadmill force mmos to become be just that, a gear threadmill game. I dont want that. No matter how much fun i have in games, if they are a gear threadmill grind i cannot be a competitive player if i dont join the threadmill. I hate that.

Thats why i love GW2 because it isnt a threadmill. It could be a better system, allowing you to craft those amazing pieces of gear or let them just drop to everyone right away, but its still better than threadmills.

Im tired of mmos (even new ones) going the threadmill way, specially with the loot dice roll system. I dont want to run 1354234525 times the same dungeon to have 2 drops that i want. Drop a piece of gear people can use to everyone each time they run a dungeon. Once you get your sets of armors and reach the level for a higher dungeon, drop the stuff to everyone for each run. The less i have to grind a dungeon for gear the better system it becomes.

 

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  SlyLoK

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7/20/13 10:09:51 PM#48
I think MMOs need to go back to using the ARPG way of loot and gear.. Didnt AC and AO do that? I didnt play either of those much to recall for sure.
  rojo6934

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7/20/13 10:23:29 PM#49
Originally posted by SlyLoK
I think MMOs need to go back to using the ARPG way of loot and gear.. Didnt AC and AO do that? I didnt play either of those much to recall for sure.

whats different about the ARPG and mmo loot and gear system?, correct me if this is wrong but ive heard many people saying Diablo 3 had a gear grind threadmill like wow. And D3 is ARPG.

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  SlyLoK

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7/20/13 11:24:18 PM#50
Originally posted by rojo6934
Originally posted by SlyLoK
I think MMOs need to go back to using the ARPG way of loot and gear.. Didnt AC and AO do that? I didnt play either of those much to recall for sure.

whats different about the ARPG and mmo loot and gear system?, correct me if this is wrong but ive heard many people saying Diablo 3 had a gear grind threadmill like wow. And D3 is ARPG.

It is a different kind of treadmill/grind in that everything is random and much more enjoyable ( to me ). Not do X dungeon / boss / raid 1000000x looking for the exact same item in name and stats that everyone else has.

  Gallus85

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Joined: 3/13/11
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OP  7/20/13 11:49:45 PM#51
Originally posted by SlyLoK
Originally posted by rojo6934
Originally posted by SlyLoK
I think MMOs need to go back to using the ARPG way of loot and gear.. Didnt AC and AO do that? I didnt play either of those much to recall for sure.

whats different about the ARPG and mmo loot and gear system?, correct me if this is wrong but ive heard many people saying Diablo 3 had a gear grind threadmill like wow. And D3 is ARPG.

It is a different kind of treadmill/grind in that everything is random and much more enjoyable ( to me ). Not do X dungeon / boss / raid 1000000x looking for the exact same item in name and stats that everyone else has.

Ya a random generated system.  It has limitations, obviously (You have to set parameters, min/max/type/amount of stats the item has), but generally this creates a system where there is a lot more gear variation.

I personally will play EQN regardless of it's gear system, but I'm hoping for more of a horizontal gear system, where gear is more about personal tastes and customization, instead of chasing a gear treadmill or running "end game" dungeons just to find something with a few more +stat bonuses or a proc that you want.

Something where the stats, the type of weapon/armor and other factors are not "better", but they just let you customize your character better.  (For example,a warrior wearing plate armor and wielding a Mace and a shield to be a more defensive warrior.  Or that same warrior wearing leather armor and dual wielding axes to be more mobile and do more damage)

Give me tons of different, equal quality items to earn that can be used to change the way I play my character, instead of pigeon holing me into "The One Set To Rule Them All" that I have to farm a boss for over and over again.

A system like this would create a lot more character diversity, make character customization much more interesting and would help prevent vertical progression systems that we have come to hate.

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  Rydeson

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7/21/13 1:55:18 PM#52

     hmm OP.. you just touched on something I had forgotten years ago..   Gear today always seems to be about more def stat, or more dps, or more healing.. This gets me to thinking that back in the days of EQ or even earlier AD&D (paper and dice) that having more strength or more wisdom didn't always mean you did more damage or made you more godly..  Seems over the years game devs have gone down that path and have forgotten their roots..

     You made the comment about a warrior customizing and who says a warrior HAS to wear plate.. There has to be alternate choices.. Wearing plate is heavier, but more cumbersome, whereas wearing chain is lighter and more agile.. So sure you can wear plate and if you get hit, it doesn't hit as much, BUT if you were more agile with chain, maybe you don't get HIT in the first place.. Those are the kind of new mechanics I wouldn't mind seeing..  I think gamers today have been brainwashed into believing ONLY a certain way of gearing exist and I know there are more outside the box.. :)

  Gallus85

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OP  7/22/13 12:16:45 AM#53
Originally posted by waynejr2
Originally posted by Ozivois

Calling it a "gear treadmill" you are begging people to not vote for that option.

The reality is that without gear progression players have less goals and therefore, less reason to play the game. Once you have maxed out your levels and gear there is no reason to play that character anymore other than to use it to help others adventure for their gear and level progression.

This is why "uber" gear loot needs to be very rare, and why certain areas need to be too deadly until you have collected a certain gear set that makes your character survivable there.

 

Yes, I hate when people setup polls like that and then come in and announce how much the negative is failing.  It's trolling.  Perhaps it should be reported as such.

I'm simply a common use phrase that depicts a common MMO progression system.  Many people like gear treadmills and refuse to play any game that doesn't have it in some form or another. 

I made the choices for this poll pretty damn clear with a decent write up before the poll and offered an either/or option.

As for Ozivois' comment, I would say that, clearly, some people require trinkets to feel like playing a game is "worth" their time.  However, many people like myself can enjoy games with zero trinket progression rewards.

I have every weapon and unlock for both BF3 and PS2, yet I still play those games because they are fun* without them.  I'd argue that if you can't have fun in a game unless you're being rewarded with some arbitrary +stat bonus then the game itself is at it's core not fun and therefor should not even be played.

I'm not saying that all games that have gear treadmills are not fun.  Many of them are fun even after I have all the gear/levels/AAs/unlocks, etc.  But the main or sole fun of an MMORPG should not come from a carrot on a stick.

It's also a system that harms the game because it's a form of linear progression.  All the "old gear" from previous content is useless or at least highly undesirable.  A game with +stat gear treadmills, vertical progression with levels/AAs/etc always makes old content not worth playing and makes the game much smaller.

I'm not trying to sway people's minds on this subject.  Some people like it, some people don't.  The point of this thread was to point out the issues with gear progression treadmills and to enlighten people that it's not the only game in town.  There are viable and possibly superior systems we can use.

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  Gallus85

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OP  7/22/13 12:22:17 AM#54
Originally posted by Rydeson

     hmm OP.. you just touched on something I had forgotten years ago..   Gear today always seems to be about more def stat, or more dps, or more healing.. This gets me to thinking that back in the days of EQ or even earlier AD&D (paper and dice) that having more strength or more wisdom didn't always mean you did more damage or made you more godly..  Seems over the years game devs have gone down that path and have forgotten their roots..

     You made the comment about a warrior customizing and who says a warrior HAS to wear plate.. There has to be alternate choices.. Wearing plate is heavier, but more cumbersome, whereas wearing chain is lighter and more agile.. So sure you can wear plate and if you get hit, it doesn't hit as much, BUT if you were more agile with chain, maybe you don't get HIT in the first place.. Those are the kind of new mechanics I wouldn't mind seeing..  I think gamers today have been brainwashed into believing ONLY a certain way of gearing exist and I know there are more outside the box.. :)

Ya that's what I said in my post.  I gave an example of gear being used as a way to customize your play experience, instead of just being a mathematical stat boost for a predetermined set of gear that you have* to wear.

A warrior wearing chain/leather/cloth gear to be more agile and have more energy for fighting, while using plate would make you slower, consume more energy in exchange for much better damage mitigation.

Customization choices, instead of vertical mathematical stat progression that ends up trivializing old content, segregating the community and pigeon holing you into "end game" content.  Not to mention PVP that becomes "He who has received better drops, wins".

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