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  Hatefull

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7/20/13 10:11:57 AM#341

There are heavy RP guilds, military focused guilds, laid back guilds.  IMO, theme or don't theme your guild however you want.  My only reservation to that would be;  Much like in real life, do not come to me, uninvited, and start trying to convince me I need to be like you.  I do not push my lifestyle on others and I expect the same courtesy in return.

Bottom line: to each their own.

If you want a new idea, go read an old book.

  Four0Six

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7/20/13 10:14:00 AM#342
Originally posted by Hatefull

There are heavy RP guilds, military focused guilds, laid back guilds.  IMO, theme or don't theme your guild however you want.  My only reservation to that would be;  Much like in real life, do not come to me, uninvited, and start trying to convince me I need to be like you.  I do not push my lifestyle on others and I expect the same courtesy in return.

Bottom line: to each their own.

Libertarianism FTW +1

  Terranah

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7/20/13 10:24:56 AM#343

If people are looking to make a connection and feel a sense of community within a game, I think that's great. 

 

I tend to connect more based on a commonality of goals within the game.  For example, does the guild focus more on pve vs pvp or crafting?  Is there a role playing element and if so how light or intense is the rp aspect.  Do they group very much, are they talkative in chat, are people willing to help and answer questions?  These are some of the things I look for in choosing a guild.

  Novusod

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7/20/13 10:31:00 AM#344
Originally posted by lizardbones

This article on Massively: http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/07/18/ask-massively-taboo-topics/

talks about the subject of "themed" guilds, in particular, guilds with a religious focus or a LGBT focus. Really, the guild is focused on gaming, but you know what I mean.

 

Do religious guilds ruin your immersion in a game? What about LBGT guilds? Are there even that many guilds that advertise themselves based on a given religion or orientation?
 

From an immersion point of view real life themed armies certainly existed in historical context. Example being the Knights Templar or other Crusader groups who were fighting holy war. Members had to take oaths and they definitely didn't let atheists or non-committals join.

There are even historical accounts of LGBT focused armies though they didn't call themselves LGBT. The Greek commander Phaedrus believed the power of male sexual relationships improved bravery in the military. Plato even wrote about it as well: "he would prefer to die many deaths: while as for leaving the one he loves in a lurch, or not succoring him in peril, no man is such a craven that the influence of Love cannot inspire him with a courage that makes him equal to the bravest born."

It is widely believed the Spartan 300 were all gay men. The Greek City of Thebes was so inspired by the Spartan 300 that they created their own elite army called the Sacred Band of Thebes. (Imagine that for a guild name implying that members be both religious and gay) The force consisted of 150 pairs of male lovers and they were the front line shock troops of the ancient Greek army.

 

So what is the deal with people complaining about immersion? Basically what those immersion complainers are saying is "I am ignorant and want to live in an over simplified word where nothing can offend me."

  Epicent

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Die clickers Die!!!

7/20/13 10:36:18 AM#345
Eh, I'd   be happy  with an all  atheist guild but  you dont really see  those.
  Eunuchmaker

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Joined: 10/08/07
Posts: 201

. . .

7/20/13 10:36:58 AM#346
Originally posted by DamonVile
I think those guilds are a good idea. It keeps all the people who can't leave that stuff at the door away from everyone that can.

 

Win.

  Hannamerika

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7/20/13 10:42:13 AM#347

I am an older player and consequently among a group of people that some would prefer not to play with.   Some think I will be too slow or they simply don't want to deal with me at all.  They came to the game to escape their mothers, not play with her.  The thing is, I can be in game, and I can play, and you don't have to deal with me if you don't want to.

By the same token, if I don't want to be propositioned by a straight or a gay and if I don't want to have to listen to all the vulgar and foul language so often seen in these games, then I can join a religious guild and have people to interact who are not going to insult me with those things.  I also have a safe haven to bring my grandchildren to where I don't need to worry about them being exposed to the things we work so hard to protect them from in real life.

I can also socialize...meaning chat...with people who share many of my same interests.  Our guild for example, talks about everything from cooking to books to education and yes, religious topics, one of which is learning Greek.  For me, this enhances the game experience 10 fold.  And I bet there are activities some of the rest of you engage in that are not strictly game related that make the games relevant in your life.

We ALL segregate ourselves to some extent in real life, whether we want to admit it or not.  That doesn't have to mean we have it out for a certain group, or hate a certain group, it just means that particular thing is not our thing and that is OK.  There are a lot of things going on in this world I don't like, and that I would like to change if I could, but I can't.  All I can do is live my life the way I believe I should live it and hope that my life may be of some help to someone else.

Now, if you WANT to discuss religion, or even debate that or any other issue, I am game, and I love it, but I REFUSE to argue.  I do love a good debate, an honest exchange of thoughts and ideas.  I have even been persuaded in a different direction on occasion.  Let me see, the last time was ah..............ah.................hmmmm, I can't remember:)  JUST KIDDING:)

  Epicent

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Die clickers Die!!!

7/20/13 10:55:23 AM#348
Originally posted by Hannamerika

I am an older player and consequently among a group of people that some would prefer not to play with.   Some think I will be too slow or they simply don't want to deal with me at all.  They came to the game to escape their mothers, not play with her.  The thing is, I can be in game, and I can play, and you don't have to deal with me if you don't want to.

By the same token, if I don't want to be propositioned by a straight or a gay and if I don't want to have to listen to all the vulgar and foul language so often seen in these games, then I can join a religious guild and have people to interact who are not going to insult me with those things.  I also have a safe haven to bring my grandchildren to where I don't need to worry about them being exposed to the things we work so hard to protect them from in real life.

I can also socialize...meaning chat...with people who share many of my same interests.  Our guild for example, talks about everything from cooking to books to education and yes, religious topics, one of which is learning Greek.  For me, this enhances the game experience 10 fold.  And I bet there are activities some of the rest of you engage in that are not strictly game related that make the games relevant in your life.

We ALL segregate ourselves to some extent in real life, whether we want to admit it or not.  That doesn't have to mean we have it out for a certain group, or hate a certain group, it just means that particular thing is not our thing and that is OK.  There are a lot of things going on in this world I don't like, and that I would like to change if I could, but I can't.  All I can do is live my life the way I believe I should live it and hope that my life may be of some help to someone else.

Now, if you WANT to discuss religion, or even debate that or any other issue, I am game, and I love it, but I REFUSE to argue.  I do love a good debate, an honest exchange of thoughts and ideas.  I have even been persuaded in a different direction on occasion.  Let me see, the last time was ah..............ah.................hmmmm, I can't remember:)  JUST KIDDING:)

A religious guild  in no way correlates to goodness. If anything  I would  say the  opposite is true.   Statistically  countries with less theist and more nontheist  have lower  crime rates  in all areas.  I actually find the notion that religious=goodness   insulting. After all most of the Gods in these books have commited genocide in one way or another.

  Hannamerika

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7/20/13 11:06:02 AM#349
I said nothing about goodness, and you may be enlightened to know that the last thing any Christian would claim is "goodness".  We are Christians because we admit and recognize our lack thereof.  That having been said, I KNOW that no one in the guild,  is going to try to engage me in "sex talk" or use vulgar or foul language and remain a member.
  Robokapp

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7/20/13 11:50:29 AM#350
Originally posted by lizardbones

 


Originally posted by Robokapp

Originally posted by Agoden I'd say i don't care, but it honestly bothers me. It's time for people to just mingle and accept each others beliefs and preferences...
would you accept my belief that the earth is flat ?


If you kept your belief to yourself, sure, why not?

If you wanted to talk to people who weren't going to mock you though, I'd suggest starting a "Flat Earth" guild.

Also, FYI, active since 2004:
http://theflatearthsociety.org/cms/

Where you could possibly find members.

 

i'll answer the "why not" part. because it shows ignorance to reason...and that's the worst kind of ignorance. that's inquisition-level of ignorance.

  pmw4friend

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7/20/13 12:05:55 PM#351
I agree with robokapp, it should not matter what your belief are everyone should accept others belief without judging.
  Kyleran

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7/20/13 12:20:19 PM#352
Originally posted by Epicent
Eh, I'd   be happy  with an all  atheist guild but  you dont really see  those.

Probably because they don't "believe" in them.  

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