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  CyclopsSlayer

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Joined: 1/31/04
Posts: 532

7/19/13 7:09:26 PM#21

The trick in most of the games is that they catch the unwary with Cash Shops that nickel and dime a player to WAY more than a simple subs cost.

Sure, you may not NEED to use a cash shop for casual play. But if it is a competitive game, PvP/RvR/WvW, there will be a tendency for players to seek an advantage, an advantage which primarily exists in the cash shops.  And while some may not spend anything, others open their wallets to the tunes of way more than the standard sub.

 

More Bag Space? Hotbars? Item Enchantment bonuses? And in some cases end game or even BiS gear?  All too many Cash Shopped games now provide some or all of these.

  DavisFlight

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Joined: 9/25/12
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7/19/13 7:18:47 PM#22

If you considered WoW great, then I'm pretty sure your point is entirely moot.

 

Also, sub model encourages the devs to let you play, whereas FTP encourages devs to create a bunch of annoying things, and then charge you to make them go away.

  darkhalf357x

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I'm only playing the role chosen for me. Who you supposed to be?

7/19/13 7:22:48 PM#23
Originally posted by Kopogero

...and play any subscription model MMORPG it will cost you minimum $144 + around $30 for buying the game (at least).

Would I pay on average $200 a year for a really GREAT, all around AAA MMORPG? Probably...but since World of Warcraft (almost 9 years ago) I have not seen such MMORPG come out on the market so this is highly unlikely.

I made this topic because of the recent MMORPG's that are going to be released this and next year like FFXIV, where there is high probability they will go with this model.

At the end if you're a true MMORPG player no price would stand in your way to have a blast with a game. I have previously had a blast with other subscribtion based MMORPG's like Ultima Online and SWG.

This year my plans so far are:

#1 Go back to WOW when 5.4 releases (I really like the new PvP changes and how they're making me depend less on a set of players within my team. It might also prevent players from abusing the ladder and ranking as we've seen it so far) WOW is the only MMORPG in my opinon worthy for subscribtion if they fix the PvP. I cannot think of another MMORPG with great, fun PvP and PvE together.

#2 Wait couple of months after release and decide on any new, upcoming MMORPG's.

I have not been playing a MMORPG since mid December last year and I've been waiting and waiting for the genre to get better. So what are your plans?

 

I'm actually pretty lucky.  When I got bored last September, I started to play WoW for the first time.  I absolutely love it for what it is, but understand perhaps 80% of the population has already played this game to death.  I'm no where near there and the new-ness still hasn't worn off yet.

I also play and beta test ever new MMO that comes out to see what its like and if its an updated version of what I look for in an MMO.  Nothing has impressed me yet.  

Like someone else said I am waiting for ArcheAge.  Wild Star I will play, but nothing I have seen about it so far excites me. The combat looks boring and I dont think I will like the progression/exploration.  But I am always open to being wrong and will find out when I play it day 1.

I've beta'd both ESO and FF ARR (multiple times). They are good well produced games, but neither really excited me to commit full time.

GW2 is interesting.  It doesnt have enough content for me to stick with it today.  I play it in spurts of 15 to 30 minute play sessions then I miss the progression.  What they have in store looks very interesting, especially the idea of being able to use any weapon with each class having different skills for them.  That adds some uniqueness that could pull me in.  To be fair, I love the world, the style, and the combat.  But the story and characters are too light and one dimensional for me. I want a darker deeper story.  We'll see where they end up.

And we wont mention the 800 lb gorilla in the room that will be revealed Aug 2.  That could change everything and cant wait either way.

All in all its a good time to be playing MMORPGs.

  Baramos79

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Joined: 10/12/12
Posts: 69

7/19/13 7:24:55 PM#24
Originally posted by Frostvein
F2P games suck.

Maybe you will change your mind in a few years from now when you look back and realize that all of the mmos transitioned to this model.

  Quazal.A

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Joined: 6/10/13
Posts: 420

7/19/13 7:42:13 PM#25
Originally posted by Baramos79
Originally posted by Frostvein
F2P games suck.

Maybe you will change your mind in a few years from now when you look back and realize that all of the mmos transitioned to this model.

Bit of a sweeping statement,

At best the majority will be F2P but NEVER the 100% because monthly subs have their market as well as the F2P model

 

Someone was stating earlier in this post about the motnhly subs then cost of expansions etc, as with F2P this is the same, some games give you free expansions, some dont. 

Both models have their +s & -s 

 

I myself am beta testing as much as possible and to be honest the only one (and its not a mmorpg) is World of Warplanes, FF14 tried and think there are many things wrong with that game, that unless your fanboy you will play for 1-2motnhs max (and i aint buying a game for £50 for 2months gameplay)

Personally all i ask is that the game offers a free trial, if its F2P then great, what i will tend to do is try the game, if it has a monthly sub option for premium account I ususally pay for this for the month or 2, this gives me the full experience of the game with 0 limits usually (think LOTRO/Age of Conan), then if i think its worth it or depending on what level the subs will either be cancelled or continued until i have had enough.

 

For me the perfect option is the 'premium accounts subscription' but allow free to play option. - either that or EVERY mmo does what eve does and allows you to buy your subscription with in game money and not spend a penny on expansions and game time - (great for a subscription based game)

This post is all my opinion, but I welcome debate on anything i have put, however, personal slander / name calling belongs in game :) were of course your welcome to call me names im often found lounging about in EvE online.
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  rojoArcueid

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Joined: 8/13/09
Posts: 5538

"It is double pleasure to deceive the deceiver". - Niccolo Machiavelli

7/19/13 7:57:35 PM#26
Originally posted by Frostvein
F2P games suck. The size of your wallet shouldn't impact your in game experience.  I'd gladly shell out 15 a month if the game was worth it.

you said it right there.

WoW was the last mmo that came out worthy of a sub and 9 years later it still is. That shows how the other subscription companies took the wrong path all these years. Not by adding a subscription to a mediocre game, but by adding mediocre games to the subscription model. 

My endgame begins with character creation and ends with a new mmorpg

  Frostvein

Apprentice Member

Joined: 7/11/13
Posts: 160

7/19/13 8:03:24 PM#27
Originally posted by Baramos79
Originally posted by Frostvein
F2P games suck.

Maybe you will change your mind in a few years from now when you look back and realize that all of the mmos transitioned to this model.

If they all transition to that model, I won't play them.

 

 


 

  Quazal.A

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Joined: 6/10/13
Posts: 420

7/19/13 8:04:04 PM#28
Originally posted by rojo6934
Originally posted by Frostvein
F2P games suck. The size of your wallet shouldn't impact your in game experience.  I'd gladly shell out 15 a month if the game was worth it.

you said it right there.

WoW was the last mmo that came out worthy of a sub and 9 years later it still is. That shows how the other subscription companies took the wrong path all these years. Not by adding a subscription to a mediocre game, but by adding mediocre games to the subscription model. 

*Cough* EvE *cough* 10years subscription 

But also validates your point, its not the sub model, its what your paying for, if the game has longevity, however it chooses said longevity is its own choice, people will pay, and continue to pay

This post is all my opinion, but I welcome debate on anything i have put, however, personal slander / name calling belongs in game :) were of course your welcome to call me names im often found lounging about in EvE online.
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  free2play

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Joined: 10/13/05
Posts: 1807

7/19/13 11:35:43 PM#29

It's to the point now, I just play what I enjoy. There are enough of both I don't even use it to define the game.

 

FF14 will be sub and I like having that agreement with SE. It establishes a base of expectation from both of us.

 

I also play Tera and I have played free and subscription. That's the decision they made.  only buy items in the EMP store when they are on sale because when they aren't I math off the 'months of Sub' for those items and I ask, good or bad? Most often, bad deal is what I get.

  nariusseldon

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Posts: 19709

7/20/13 12:28:41 AM#30
Originally posted by Kopogero

At the end if you're a true MMORPG player no price would stand in your way to have a blast with a game. I have previously had a blast with other subscribtion based MMORPG's like Ultima Online and SWG.


 

I don't see the point of paying when i can get the same amount of fun for free. I had a blast with WOW. And now i have a blast with games like STO, and Marvel Heroes and i quit WOW.

 

  NagelRitter

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Joined: 7/18/13
Posts: 613

7/20/13 7:02:34 AM#31
Originally posted by Baramos79

Maybe you will change your mind in a few years from now when you look back and realize that all of the mmos transitioned to this model.

MMO's transitioning to this model doesn't in any way make them good. Many will just quit on MMO's at that point. People with a spine, that is.

Originally posted by DavisFlight

If you considered WoW great, then I'm pretty sure your point is entirely moot.

The fact that you have personal agenda against WoW doesn't mean it was a bad game...

Favorite MMO: Vanilla WoW
Currently playing: GW2, EVE
Excited for: Wildstar, maybe?

  User Deleted
7/20/13 4:11:45 PM#32

A free game has a larger audience and that's why it is better for the entire MMORPG industry and playerbase (you may think that means more kiddies and whatnot and that's true to a point after which you discover quite a few good apples mixed in with the bad which never would've been playing due to x reason otherwise :P), period.

 

Also just FYI I am a free to play supporter but I recognize certain games can never be F2P due to their design (example: EVE-Online, it would literally kill the community and the metagame if the floodgates were open and quite likely also kill the servers).

  StonesDK

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7/20/13 4:29:01 PM#33
Originally posted by Kopogero

...and play any subscription model MMORPG it will cost you minimum $144 + around $30 for buying the game (at least).

Assuming you will be playing for 1 year, which is more and more unlikely at least for me.

 

At the end if you're a true MMORPG player no price would stand in your way to have a blast with a game. I have previously had a blast with other subscribtion based MMORPG's like Ultima Online and SWG.

I consider myself a true MMORPG player and I of course disagree with your statement. I won't play a Sub+cashshop mmorpg no matter how insanely good or fun it is. I do however agree I would pay up to $25 a month for a REALLY good MMORPG but no more. I'm by no means poor but that doesn't mean I think my money should be squandered.

 

 

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