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  whisperwynd

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7/19/13 10:32:11 AM#241
Originally posted by Four0Six

A Texas teen is in jail for making an off handed remark to a friend on FB, which was seen by an outside observer and misunderstood. He now sits in Jail. It based on gun-fear and not race or anything else. Over-reaching government again.

The gun-fear is only incidental, the motive is the real issue. When it does become about race or religion, and the person uses a death threat. How can it not be taken as seriously? 

 Should it only be when a death threat is issued that someone should act? The fine line between hatred and trolling is not easily determined through the internet via words on a chat window.

These companies do have a responsibility to guarantee such behavior be unacceptable and held accountable, and the government must make sure these companies abide by it. 

The issue of not trusting our government is another debate altogether, but who else would police companies that neglect to enforce these rights?

  Jean-Luc_Picard

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7/19/13 10:32:55 AM#242
Originally posted by Kyleran
I've never joined a Christian only guild, but I respect people's right to do so.  Needless to say I never have been a member of a guild with a name like "Satan's Raiders" or the "666-Mafia"

You may know that in most MMORPGs, the use of both good and evil religious figures as names is forbidden anyway. No neither satan nor jesus could be used for a guild name anyway. Which is only fair in my opinion.

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  azzamasin

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7/19/13 10:39:01 AM#243
Originally posted by Cecropia
While I think it's kind of silly to have gay guilds (do we really need to segregate ourselves in video games too?), I don't see any real issue with the idea. Religious guilds on the other hand are completely inappropriate. When you have children playing these games they should never be exposed to these types of groups, that more often than not, judge and try to assimilate everyone they can (like it or lump it, that's the nature of the beast). Religion: keep it in your home or place of worship. It's that simple.

So gay guilds are ok but religious guilds are completely inappropriate? Total bullshit, either all are ok (which they are) or none, you have no right to restrict someone from doing something.  And before you say anything else read your statement, look at how offensive it is to a certain group of individuals.

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  Jean-Luc_Picard

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7/19/13 10:44:22 AM#244
Originally posted by azzamasin
Originally posted by Cecropia
While I think it's kind of silly to have gay guilds (do we really need to segregate ourselves in video games too?), I don't see any real issue with the idea. Religious guilds on the other hand are completely inappropriate. When you have children playing these games they should never be exposed to these types of groups, that more often than not, judge and try to assimilate everyone they can (like it or lump it, that's the nature of the beast). Religion: keep it in your home or place of worship. It's that simple.

So gay guilds are ok but religious guilds are completely inappropriate? Total bullshit, either all are ok (which they are) or none, you have no right to restrict someone from doing something.  And before you say anything else read your statement, look at how offensive it is to a certain group of individuals.

Thing is, homosexual people usually don't try to convert you to homosexuality, specially not online where they aren't in physical contact with you. Something religions are actively doing since the dawn of time.

I see his point, even if religious guilds aren't a problem for me... I rather have them somewhere else than in my guild. It's a bit like silly names in MMORPG, it helps knowing which people you don't want to play with. No religious nut tells me how to play my games.

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  azzamasin

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7/19/13 10:51:32 AM#245
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
Originally posted by azzamasin
Originally posted by Cecropia
While I think it's kind of silly to have gay guilds (do we really need to segregate ourselves in video games too?), I don't see any real issue with the idea. Religious guilds on the other hand are completely inappropriate. When you have children playing these games they should never be exposed to these types of groups, that more often than not, judge and try to assimilate everyone they can (like it or lump it, that's the nature of the beast). Religion: keep it in your home or place of worship. It's that simple.

So gay guilds are ok but religious guilds are completely inappropriate? Total bullshit, either all are ok (which they are) or none, you have no right to restrict someone from doing something.  And before you say anything else read your statement, look at how offensive it is to a certain group of individuals.

Thing is, homosexual people usually don't try to convert you to homosexuality, specially not online where they aren't in physical contact with you. Something religions are actively doing since the dawn of time.

I see his point, even if religious guilds aren't a problem for me... I rather have them somewhere else than in my guild. It's a bit like silly names in MMORPG, it helps knowing which people you don't want to play with. No religious nut tells me how to play my games.

Like anything in public there are plenty of people of faith who live, breath, work and play along non believers.  As a practicing Christian you'll never hear me try and convert someone while playing a game, just like I don't discuss politics or moral equivalencies. And I've been playing MMO's for 14+ years and I;ve never heard of any one group, whether it be the LBGT community or the Religious community trying to spread their viewpoints.  As it should be.  I am not saying it doesn't happen because I am sure it has, but by and large it is a non issue. 

 

I look at it like this, I want to play with like minded individuals as far as gaming is concerned and I've had guildies who were actively gay as well as Christians who were nice enough to remind people to watch their language in vent chat.  I'll play with anyone if their gaming goals are similar to mine.  Gay or not, Christian or not.

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  lizardbones

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OP  7/19/13 10:52:32 AM#246


Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard

Originally posted by azzamasin

Originally posted by Cecropia While I think it's kind of silly to have gay guilds (do we really need to segregate ourselves in video games too?), I don't see any real issue with the idea. Religious guilds on the other hand are completely inappropriate. When you have children playing these games they should never be exposed to these types of groups, that more often than not, judge and try to assimilate everyone they can (like it or lump it, that's the nature of the beast). Religion: keep it in your home or place of worship. It's that simple.
So gay guilds are ok but religious guilds are completely inappropriate? Total bullshit, either all are ok (which they are) or none, you have no right to restrict someone from doing something.  And before you say anything else read your statement, look at how offensive it is to a certain group of individuals.
Thing is, homosexual people usually don't try to convert you to homosexuality, specially not online where they aren't in physical contact with you. Something religions are actively doing since the dawn of time.

I see his point, even if religious guilds aren't a problem for me... I rather have them somewhere else than in my guild. It's a bit like silly names in MMORPG, it helps knowing which people you don't want to play with. No religious nut tells me how to play my games.




Personal opinions aside, I think need to avoid bashing people who happen to be religious. "Those types of people", "religious nut", "crazies", etc. sound innocuous, but it's really not.

It actually the kind of conversation content that would make someone who is religious think that they might need a group of like minded individuals to avoid that kind of thing.

For every large, complex problem, there is a simple, clear solution that also happens to be absolutely wrong.

  Jean-Luc_Picard

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7/19/13 10:59:37 AM#247
Originally posted by lizardbones

 


Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard

Originally posted by azzamasin

Originally posted by Cecropia While I think it's kind of silly to have gay guilds (do we really need to segregate ourselves in video games too?), I don't see any real issue with the idea. Religious guilds on the other hand are completely inappropriate. When you have children playing these games they should never be exposed to these types of groups, that more often than not, judge and try to assimilate everyone they can (like it or lump it, that's the nature of the beast). Religion: keep it in your home or place of worship. It's that simple.
So gay guilds are ok but religious guilds are completely inappropriate? Total bullshit, either all are ok (which they are) or none, you have no right to restrict someone from doing something.  And before you say anything else read your statement, look at how offensive it is to a certain group of individuals.
Thing is, homosexual people usually don't try to convert you to homosexuality, specially not online where they aren't in physical contact with you. Something religions are actively doing since the dawn of time.

 

I see his point, even if religious guilds aren't a problem for me... I rather have them somewhere else than in my guild. It's a bit like silly names in MMORPG, it helps knowing which people you don't want to play with. No religious nut tells me how to play my games.




Personal opinions aside, I think need to avoid bashing people who happen to be religious. "Those types of people", "religious nut", "crazies", etc. sound innocuous, but it's really not.

It actually the kind of conversation content that would make someone who is religious think that they might need a group of like minded individuals to avoid that kind of thing.

 

Which is the idea. If they want to talk about their faith, they can do it with likeminded people, I'm not interested in any religious stuff personally, specially not in my fantasy games, and I'm not interested in any religion dictating what I can say in my guild chat or my guild forums either.

Reminder: I'm supporting the freedom to create guilds with whatever theme you want, as long as the topic the guild is based on doesn't leave guild chat/forums/private areas.

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  VikingGamer

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7/19/13 11:04:54 AM#248

If you are a member of one of these guilds then you are likely to be in favor of them.

If you are not a member of one of these guilds why do you care what they do? why are we obsessed with controlling how other people live or play or whatever?

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  Vorthanion

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7/19/13 11:14:11 AM#249
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
Originally posted by immodium

What I find unusual is why someone would play a game and think "I need to get my sexual orientation/religious/political views involved somehow"

This. /thread.

Games are not tools for religious, political or sexual propaganda, and anyone trying to use them as such should get a well deserved ban. I don't play game to have to endure the bullshit that is already plaguing "real world".

People like to chat in these games and it's nice to have a safe environment where you will not be attacked or judged by comments that some people find offensive.  Creating a guild for gay members provides that safe environment to be who you are and not be attacked or ridiculed because you let slip that you find some celebrity attractive and you happen to both be men.  I can't tell you how many "regular" guilds I have been in where all kinds of discussions take place, most having nothing to do with the game.  I don't see why people like you would take issue with specialized guilds that allow discussions on topics that won't upset more easily offended people like you.

 

Obviously you have no idea why these kinds of guilds exist if you think it's about propaganda or an agenda to subvert the game somehow.  In fact, you should be happy they exist, this keeps discussions you obviously don't like in guild chat rather than world chat.

  zymurgeist

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7/19/13 11:27:25 AM#250
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
Originally posted by azzamasin
Originally posted by Cecropia
While I think it's kind of silly to have gay guilds (do we really need to segregate ourselves in video games too?), I don't see any real issue with the idea. Religious guilds on the other hand are completely inappropriate. When you have children playing these games they should never be exposed to these types of groups, that more often than not, judge and try to assimilate everyone they can (like it or lump it, that's the nature of the beast). Religion: keep it in your home or place of worship. It's that simple.

So gay guilds are ok but religious guilds are completely inappropriate? Total bullshit, either all are ok (which they are) or none, you have no right to restrict someone from doing something.  And before you say anything else read your statement, look at how offensive it is to a certain group of individuals.

Thing is, homosexual people usually don't try to convert you to homosexuality, specially not online where they aren't in physical contact with you. Something religions are actively doing since the dawn of time.

I see his point, even if religious guilds aren't a problem for me... I rather have them somewhere else than in my guild. It's a bit like silly names in MMORPG, it helps knowing which people you don't want to play with. No religious nut tells me how to play my games.

No but some homosexuals, thankfully few, will try to force you to accept their lifestyle in ways they have no business intruding into. Bad behavior isn't limited to or excluded from any  group. There is no moral high ground for bad behavior. Religious groups are no worse than groups that wear beanies with propellers on their heads.

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  Vorthanion

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7/19/13 11:32:11 AM#251
Originally posted by Robokapp

if a LBGT guild can exist, can its polar opposite also exist ?

 

if no, then my vote is "Nay" to the LBGT one out of fairness. similarly with religion...can an atheist guild exist ?

 

while behind closed doors these guilds can exist, can they freely advertise ?

 

sorry...NAY.

You don't have to advertise a straight only guild, it's implied by the very nature of our ingrained social structure.  It's this very reason why specialized guilds "have" to advertise in order to find others of like mind.  Heteros have dominated every aspect of life to this date and will probably continue to do so no matter how "open" things become in the future.  You don't have to fight for space that you guys already own.  We have to fight for space, because you guys go out of your way to not give it to us.  Some day, we won't have to fight for legitimacy and it therefore will not be so "in your face" as we no longer have to scream to be heard, nor march to be seen as human.

  Vorthanion

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7/19/13 11:37:05 AM#252
Originally posted by zymurgeist
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
Originally posted by azzamasin
Originally posted by Cecropia
While I think it's kind of silly to have gay guilds (do we really need to segregate ourselves in video games too?), I don't see any real issue with the idea. Religious guilds on the other hand are completely inappropriate. When you have children playing these games they should never be exposed to these types of groups, that more often than not, judge and try to assimilate everyone they can (like it or lump it, that's the nature of the beast). Religion: keep it in your home or place of worship. It's that simple.

So gay guilds are ok but religious guilds are completely inappropriate? Total bullshit, either all are ok (which they are) or none, you have no right to restrict someone from doing something.  And before you say anything else read your statement, look at how offensive it is to a certain group of individuals.

Thing is, homosexual people usually don't try to convert you to homosexuality, specially not online where they aren't in physical contact with you. Something religions are actively doing since the dawn of time.

I see his point, even if religious guilds aren't a problem for me... I rather have them somewhere else than in my guild. It's a bit like silly names in MMORPG, it helps knowing which people you don't want to play with. No religious nut tells me how to play my games.

No but some homosexuals, thankfully few, will try to force you to accept their lifestyle in ways they have no business intruding into. Bad behavior isn't limited to or excluded from any  group. There is no moral high ground for bad behavior. Religious groups are no worse than groups that wear beanies with propellers on their heads.

Heterosexuals make these kinds of comments in games all the time, but because it's mainstream, no one gives a damn.  How do you think homosexuals feel when heterosexuality is forced upon them on a daily basis, yet we get berated if we make a single comment about our lives that you don't feel comfortable with?

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7/19/13 11:43:06 AM#253
Originally posted by Vorthanion

People like to chat in these games and it's nice to have a safe environment where you will not be attacked or judged by comments that some people find offensive.  Creating a guild for gay members provides that safe environment to be who you are and not be attacked or ridiculed because you let slip that you find some celebrity attractive and you happen to both be men.  I can't tell you how many "regular" guilds I have been in where all kinds of discussions take place, most having nothing to do with the game.  I don't see why people like you would take issue with specialized guilds that allow discussions on topics that won't upset more easily offended people like you.

 

Obviously you have no idea why these kinds of guilds exist if you think it's about propaganda or an agenda to subvert the game somehow.  In fact, you should be happy they exist, this keeps discussions you obviously don't like in guild chat rather than world chat.

You should read my other posts in the thread before you come to such hasty conclusions about me. Isn't that what you dislike from other people about you, hasty conclusions, and assumptions? Time to apply your own rules to yourself.

But apparently, you are also one of those who prefer to judge a book by its cover. Pot, kettle, black, etc...

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OP  7/19/13 11:50:49 AM#254


Originally posted by Vorthanion

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard

Originally posted by azzamasin

Originally posted by Cecropia While I think it's kind of silly to have gay guilds (do we really need to segregate ourselves in video games too?), I don't see any real issue with the idea. Religious guilds on the other hand are completely inappropriate. When you have children playing these games they should never be exposed to these types of groups, that more often than not, judge and try to assimilate everyone they can (like it or lump it, that's the nature of the beast). Religion: keep it in your home or place of worship. It's that simple.
So gay guilds are ok but religious guilds are completely inappropriate? Total bullshit, either all are ok (which they are) or none, you have no right to restrict someone from doing something.  And before you say anything else read your statement, look at how offensive it is to a certain group of individuals.
Thing is, homosexual people usually don't try to convert you to homosexuality, specially not online where they aren't in physical contact with you. Something religions are actively doing since the dawn of time. I see his point, even if religious guilds aren't a problem for me... I rather have them somewhere else than in my guild. It's a bit like silly names in MMORPG, it helps knowing which people you don't want to play with. No religious nut tells me how to play my games.
No but some homosexuals, thankfully few, will try to force you to accept their lifestyle in ways they have no business intruding into. Bad behavior isn't limited to or excluded from any  group. There is no moral high ground for bad behavior. Religious groups are no worse than groups that wear beanies with propellers on their heads.
Heterosexuals make these kinds of comments in games all the time, but because it's mainstream, no one gives a damn.  How do you think homosexuals feel when heterosexuality is forced upon them on a daily basis, yet we get berated if we make a single comment about our lives that you don't feel comfortable with?



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7/19/13 11:57:45 AM#255
Originally posted by lizardbones

 


Originally posted by Adalwulff

Originally posted by lizardbones  

Originally posted by Adalwulff If I were allowed to make an all white, heterosexual guild then maybe.   Anything less is sexist, racist or heterophobic.
The odds of any guild being created not being mostly white, heterosexual and probably male is pretty close to zero. Creating a 'white, hetero' guild would be pointless. That already exists. There's no need to try and create a separate space. I don't think guilds based on race would be allowed in any game. Race is a different can of worms, one that I don't think any developer wants to open. I'm not sure about an all female and all male guild. Again though, all male guilds already exist, there's no need to try and create a separate space for them. One of the social aspects of guilds is finding people who may share common interests or who may have had the same experiences as the other people in the guild outside of the game. The guild I was in was composed of people who all worked for one company. We shared a common interest. From what I can see, this is the main point of a religious or LBGT guilds. Finding people who share a common interest or experiences when doing so otherwise would be nearly impossible in game.  
 

 

Wrong, and its exactly the problem!!

How can you say any guild right now is ALL WHITE OR ALL HETERO? How can you say that for sure, because the odds are that there is a mix of races and genders, and also some gays Im sure.

So you are wrong, the problem is people like you assuming everything is white and hetero.

Look, its real simple, you either give everyone the same respect and allow them to congregate by whatever group they want too, or you don't allow anyone to congregate.

Anything less is racism, sexism or phobia. Period!




I didn't say all hetero. I said 'mostly'. The odds that a guild will be composed mostly of hetero males by chance is very high. The odds that a guild will be composed of non-hetero mix of males and females is very low. I would say, "Zero", but there's always a chance it could happen. Well, at least in the U.S. Can't really speak for even Western Europe.

So no, I'm not wrong. Do a little research on your own instead of whatever you used in place of research.

Also, leave race out of the discussion. Gamers for the most part are non-racial, unless the race includes some sort of stat bonus.

 

 

Your missing the point, its your perception of what the avg guild is like, is exactly the problem.

I have been in many guilds and there were always females around, and I am sure there were gays there too, and of course many other races.

I say race because it does matter, a guild can be by race, by gender, or by religious affiliation. It shouldn't matter.

If you build your guild based on the perception that most other guilds are full of "hetero white dudes", then you are no better than the jerks who make crappy remarks to females or gays.

You cannot have it both ways.

 

 

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7/19/13 12:18:42 PM#256

Whatever happened to the days where people just played the game with others because they enjoyed the same game?

I like to approach MMO guilds the same way a 5-year old approaches kindergarten... you don't need to know who people are, where they come from or what their belief systems may be because the only rule the teacher has is to PLAY NICE, which should really be the only requirement of any guild worth playing in.

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7/19/13 12:27:09 PM#257
Originally posted by Four0Six
Originally posted by whisperwynd
Originally posted by Four0Six
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard

Sorry, but when someone threatens a specific group with physical violence over the net, it's definitely a job for the police. I won't post examples because it would definitely break this forum's rules.

It's the same thing than if some guy phones the police saying he hid a bomb somewhere. That's no joke, no damned "free speech" matter, no matter if it's true or not.

I don't feel threatened by some words on the net.

Your example is on point, but for a different argument. Like yelling "Fire!" is a crowded room. It can cause a riot and hurt people.

If some nut-job goes into a rant, let em rant. "Dog's don't bite while barking."

 

For a threat to be a threat in my book it needs to be credible. NoobKillerxXx, saying "I am going to kill you and skull Fu** you." in some random chat deserves a /report, but not much more in my book. Now a mob chanting with pitchforks and torches outside my door is a much more credible threat, and likely deserves my governments attention.....

 

I believe there is an actual case where someone is in jail because of a death threat in a game. Won't post the link as it irrelevant to the thread. It is criminal however, and should be policed. 

A Texas teen is in jail for making an off handed remark to a friend on FB, which was seen by an outside observer and misunderstood. He now sits in Jail. It based on gun-fear and not race or anything else. Over-reaching government again.

The kid was stupid. Hopefully he learned that while he CAN say anything, he shouldn't always. Anyway, he's out of jail now. An anonymous person paid his bail.

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7/19/13 12:51:56 PM#258
Originally posted by aspekx
Originally posted by Adalwulff

If I were allowed to make an all white, heterosexual guild then maybe.

Anything less is sexist, racist or heterophobic.

 

once again someone in the absolute majority, a majority which has systematically repressed a group of people for centuries thinks that the same rules apply to them. well they don't. heterophobic would imply the ability to ruin your life, cause you to lose your job, or insist that you cannot marry the person you love, it would include being verbally harrassed for holding hands in public, or at times even physically assaulted. name me the heteros with this experience and we might could talk.

Thats how equality works.

If someone can make an all black guild, an all female guild, an all LGBT guild etc, then someone can make an all white, male, straight guild.

saying that one group cant do it for any reason (even if that reason is that they are a majority) is still exclusion and bigotry.

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7/19/13 12:54:09 PM#259
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
Originally posted by Kyleran
I've never joined a Christian only guild, but I respect people's right to do so.  Needless to say I never have been a member of a guild with a name like "Satan's Raiders" or the "666-Mafia"

You may know that in most MMORPGs, the use of both good and evil religious figures as names is forbidden anyway. No neither satan nor jesus could be used for a guild name anyway. Which is only fair in my opinion.

You are correct, probably could have come put with a better example such as Hell's Raiders or Evil Incarnate, both names which I have seen in use along with my original example of the 666-Mafia.

BTW, I don't begrudge anyone the right to use those names, perfectly fine by me, I just won't join a guild that uses them, (and they very likely wouldn't want me to)  just a personal choice.

 

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7/19/13 12:55:42 PM#260
Originally posted by zymurgeist
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
Originally posted by azzamasin
Originally posted by Cecropia
While I think it's kind of silly to have gay guilds (do we really need to segregate ourselves in video games too?), I don't see any real issue with the idea. Religious guilds on the other hand are completely inappropriate. When you have children playing these games they should never be exposed to these types of groups, that more often than not, judge and try to assimilate everyone they can (like it or lump it, that's the nature of the beast). Religion: keep it in your home or place of worship. It's that simple.

So gay guilds are ok but religious guilds are completely inappropriate? Total bullshit, either all are ok (which they are) or none, you have no right to restrict someone from doing something.  And before you say anything else read your statement, look at how offensive it is to a certain group of individuals.

Thing is, homosexual people usually don't try to convert you to homosexuality, specially not online where they aren't in physical contact with you. Something religions are actively doing since the dawn of time.

I see his point, even if religious guilds aren't a problem for me... I rather have them somewhere else than in my guild. It's a bit like silly names in MMORPG, it helps knowing which people you don't want to play with. No religious nut tells me how to play my games.

No but some homosexuals, thankfully few, will try to force you to accept their lifestyle in ways they have no business intruding into. Bad behavior isn't limited to or excluded from any  group. There is no moral high ground for bad behavior. Religious groups are no worse than groups that wear beanies with propellers on their heads.

I have never seen this happen, unless the other person said something against them. I mean, for them to even know someone doesn't accept their lifestyle, that person would have had to say so.

Like a homosexual just doesn't go up to someone random and say they need to accept their views. 

Also, honestly, no one should be openly against homosexuality. If you are, you are just asking for it really.

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