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  vayte

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Joined: 7/07/13
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OP  7/14/13 8:21:26 PM#1
The mmo market is becoming not only saturated but rather linear as well. Swtor tried something new by emphasizing story. We all know how that story ends... Now we have EQN which has promised to innovate and yet again many of us find ourselves with much anticipation for not only this game, but the future of mmos. Avatar pushed the limit of not only technology, but a movies budget as well. If avatar would have failed many studios would of used it as an example to say no to big budget, risky films. Obviously we know that was not the case and the industry is better because it was such a huge success. If everquest fails, I feel it will be detrimental to mmos of the future. But if we have another avatar on our hands, not only will soe prosper but the mmo genre will realize that money and risk can pay off and they won't keep remaking the same garbage. There is a lot more on the line than just soe or everquest

MMO experience: SWG, Fury, Planetside 1&2, AoC, Warhammer, Wow, Vanguard, Firefall, SWTOR, Guild Wars 1&2, D&L, and more I can't remember

  ozmono

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7/14/13 8:25:49 PM#2
If it really does innovate than I agree that it would be healthy for the market and the consumer that it succeeds. If on the other hand the hype generated by talking about innovation is enough for it to profit without any substance backing it up than it'll be bad for us.
  furbans

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7/14/13 9:00:50 PM#3

If EQN fails then it's because they failed to design it right and justly fails.  Like Neverwinter.

There are other games in development that are using the same core mechanics as EQN so it's not like EQN is an all or nothing thing.   The age of big name companies being the only ones capable of doing a quality MMO is past... well hopefully, time will tell.

  craftseeker

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Joined: 4/11/09
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7/14/13 9:07:07 PM#4
Originally posted by vayte
The mmo market is becoming not only saturated but rather linear as well. Swtor tried something new by emphasizing story. We all know how that story ends... Now we have EQN which has promised to innovate and yet again many of us find ourselves with much anticipation for not only this game, but the future of mmos. Avatar pushed the limit of not only technology, but a movies budget as well. If avatar would have failed many studios would of used it as an example to say no to big budget, risky films. Obviously we know that was not the case and the industry is better because it was such a huge success. If everquest fails, I feel it will be detrimental to mmos of the future. But if we have another avatar on our hands, not only will soe prosper but the mmo genre will realize that money and risk can pay off and they won't keep remaking the same garbage. There is a lot more on the line than just soe or everquest

OMG Avatar!!!!!!!!

Please show me where "unobtanium" sits on the periodic table of the elements and explain why hokey spiritualism made it into what was touted as a SciFi movie.

Please, please, please let EQ NEXT be an incoherent pastiche of disconnected themes. As to SWTOR and story telling, telling boring stories in a boring way was why that part of the game failed.

I hope EQNEXT succedes as a game, I want it to and hope to play it for years to come.

  Alders

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Joined: 1/28/10
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7/14/13 9:11:13 PM#5
Originally posted by vayte
The mmo market is becoming not only saturated but rather linear as well. Swtor tried something new by emphasizing story. We all know how that story ends... Now we have EQN which has promised to innovate and yet again many of us find ourselves with much anticipation for not only this game, but the future of mmos. Avatar pushed the limit of not only technology, but a movies budget as well. If avatar would have failed many studios would of used it as an example to say no to big budget, risky films. Obviously we know that was not the case and the industry is better because it was such a huge success. If everquest fails, I feel it will be detrimental to mmos of the future. But if we have another avatar on our hands, not only will soe prosper but the mmo genre will realize that money and risk can pay off and they won't keep remaking the same garbage. There is a lot more on the line than just soe or everquest

 

I'm not sure comparing EQN to one of the most overrated and subpar sci-fi movies of all time is wise. 

We've seen all style and no substance before.

  Drakynn

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Joined: 3/02/08
Posts: 2051

7/14/13 9:15:02 PM#6

EQN only deserves to succeed if it's a good game that keeps people engaged.It doesn't deserve to succeed if it is trying something different,it doesn't deserve to succeed if it's sandbox or FFA PVP or come other agenda one segment of the community is pushing.

If the game isn't fun and engaging or only appeals to a small niche that  can't support it's cost to make and ongoing costs to run then it deserves to fail.

  Arcticnoon

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Joined: 4/20/13
Posts: 146

7/14/13 9:16:49 PM#7

Free to play. Does that scare anyone else away besides me?

Sub base is like going on a date with your girlfriend and knowing your going to get laid afterwards.

F2P is like taking a girl on a date, things start to get hot and heavy and then she turns to you and says "I'm going to change into something more comfortable, why don't you leave $200 on the nightstand"

  Oberholzer

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Joined: 2/25/06
Posts: 479

7/14/13 9:19:47 PM#8
I hope it's a great game but it doesn't need to do anything. If it fails another game will come along and take a shot at capturing players.
  ropenice

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Joined: 10/02/04
Posts: 584

7/14/13 9:26:19 PM#9
Originally posted by Arcticnoon

Free to play. Does that scare anyone else away besides me?

Sub base is like going on a date with your girlfriend and knowing your going to get laid afterwards.

F2P is like taking a girl on a date, things start to get hot and heavy and then she turns to you and says "I'm going to change into something more comfortable, why don't you leave $200 on the nightstand"

It being f2p does scare me a bit -how they design the game to influence CS use, the community, how and how often they add content, etc. It's a slippery slope.

  Margulis

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Joined: 12/14/08
Posts: 1643

7/14/13 9:35:05 PM#10
Originally posted by vayte
The mmo market is becoming not only saturated but rather linear as well. Swtor tried something new by emphasizing story. We all know how that story ends... Now we have EQN which has promised to innovate and yet again many of us find ourselves with much anticipation for not only this game, but the future of mmos. Avatar pushed the limit of not only technology, but a movies budget as well. If avatar would have failed many studios would of used it as an example to say no to big budget, risky films. Obviously we know that was not the case and the industry is better because it was such a huge success. If everquest fails, I feel it will be detrimental to mmos of the future. But if we have another avatar on our hands, not only will soe prosper but the mmo genre will realize that money and risk can pay off and they won't keep remaking the same garbage. There is a lot more on the line than just soe or everquest

SWTOR was no different than any other theme park clone - they all have their little signature move kind of like wrestlers but ultimately they are all the same.  SWTOR story, RIFT rifts, Wildstar path system, etc etc.  And the 1 good thing about SWTOR was the story, so it's unfortunate that the rest of the game was trash because for those of us who do like story, "story" in general is now lumped in with SWTOR as being a bad idea for an mmo.

 

But EQNext doesn't seem at all to be about just having their new spin or signature move plopped on top of the same themepark model.  At least not based on any talk I've heard from anybody, whether that be devs, people from this site or TTH who saw it, people from Storybricks who have commented on it.  And I highly doubt they are all lying, because it's not like we aren't going to find out come reveal time.

  keenber

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Joined: 7/10/07
Posts: 433

7/14/13 9:35:44 PM#11
F2P scares the hell out of me but if they do it the same as EQ and you can get a sub if you want and get free sc every month then it hopefully wont be that painful.
  quseio

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Joined: 4/18/07
Posts: 220

7/14/13 9:46:52 PM#12
Originally posted by ropenice
Originally posted by Arcticnoon

Free to play. Does that scare anyone else away besides me?

Sub base is like going on a date with your girlfriend and knowing your going to get laid afterwards.

F2P is like taking a girl on a date, things start to get hot and heavy and then she turns to you and says "I'm going to change into something more comfortable, why don't you leave $200 on the nightstand"

It being f2p does scare me a bit -how they design the game to influence CS use, the community, how and how often they add content, etc. It's a slippery slope.

indeed can they pull off good expansions on a ftp model  or are the expansions paid for very worrying but i think soe may be able to do it if they can resist makeing everything cool /powerful casher only

acceptable stuff in cash shop to me, armor doodads, costumes, small exp potions mounts as long as there are in game mounts just as good bought with plat, houseing decorations  convinence items perhaps like a item that say summons a sammich and drink

as for the expansions i have a idea make 1 or 2 zones  that people  ftp can  go to in the expansion  if they like what they see they gotta buy it to go to the rest and use the features anywhere else

  mitobunny

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Joined: 7/13/12
Posts: 8

7/14/13 9:55:22 PM#13
Originally posted by craftseeker
Originally posted by vayte
The mmo market is becoming not only saturated but rather linear as well. Swtor tried something new by emphasizing story. We all know how that story ends... Now we have EQN which has promised to innovate and yet again many of us find ourselves with much anticipation for not only this game, but the future of mmos. Avatar pushed the limit of not only technology, but a movies budget as well. If avatar would have failed many studios would of used it as an example to say no to big budget, risky films. Obviously we know that was not the case and the industry is better because it was such a huge success. If everquest fails, I feel it will be detrimental to mmos of the future. But if we have another avatar on our hands, not only will soe prosper but the mmo genre will realize that money and risk can pay off and they won't keep remaking the same garbage. There is a lot more on the line than just soe or everquest

OMG Avatar!!!!!!!!

Please show me where "unobtanium" sits on the periodic table of the elements and explain why hokey spiritualism made it into what was touted as a SciFi movie.

Please, please, please let EQ NEXT be an incoherent pastiche of disconnected themes. As to SWTOR and story telling, telling boring stories in a boring way was why that part of the game failed.

I hope EQNEXT succedes as a game, I want it to and hope to play it for years to come.

Avatar was basically a story designed for escapism, the idea of leaving our world behind...Heck the beginning quote basically talks about how when you dream, eventually you need to wake up or something like that. Same idea basically, story could be shiet but most people watched it for the world and the 3d.

 

On topic: I feel that if EQN hits the right notes, then yeah it would be great if it succeeds. From the sounds of it, they understand all the problems of current mmos and don't really like the way they are in general. I don't really care if the game sucks or is boring, I just want something that hasn't really been done before. (GW2 was the same idea but ultimately, was just a shiny coat of painting over an old door)

  BBPD766

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Joined: 8/12/10
Posts: 99

7/14/13 9:59:51 PM#14
Originally posted by furbans

If EQN fails then it's because they failed to design it right and justly fails.  Like Neverwinter.

There are other games in development that are using the same core mechanics as EQN so it's not like EQN is an all or nothing thing.   The age of big name companies being the only ones capable of doing a quality MMO is past... well hopefully, time will tell.

We, nor any other developers, have any idea what core mechanics are in EQN....hence the black box.

  hMJem

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Joined: 3/19/13
Posts: 468

7/15/13 3:59:58 AM#15

I'll be disappointed if EQN fails, but it won't be the end of the world.

 

I give games their fair shot in beta, and I'll try out ArcheAge, Blade&Soul if it ever localizes, Wildstar, ESO, and Destiny.

 

Really intrigued by Destiny. No, I don't care if PC people dont like it. I'm a GAMER, I get every next gen console and have a gaming computer.

  Lorska

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Joined: 8/27/03
Posts: 75

7/15/13 5:39:39 AM#16
I completely agree with the OP.  If EQN fails to deliver, I'm going into MMO hibernation until World of Darkness.  My time is just a little too valuable these days to waste on hours and hours of more of the same old same old, which is what I see every other forthcoming MMO on the horizon that has any substantial budget.  I couldn't care less about graphical advancements or the little iterations on how X particular MMO does crafting or whatever flavor of instanced housing.  Really looking for a game-changer or nothing, to be honest.  Sick of cop out, low risk game design. 
  Smokeysong

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Joined: 9/11/03
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7/15/13 9:13:54 AM#17
Originally posted by vayte
The mmo market is becoming not only saturated but rather linear as well. Swtor tried something new by emphasizing story. We all know how that story ends... Now we have EQN which has promised to innovate and yet again many of us find ourselves with much anticipation for not only this game, but the future of mmos. Avatar pushed the limit of not only technology, but a movies budget as well. If avatar would have failed many studios would of used it as an example to say no to big budget, risky films. Obviously we know that was not the case and the industry is better because it was such a huge success. If everquest fails, I feel it will be detrimental to mmos of the future. But if we have another avatar on our hands, not only will soe prosper but the mmo genre will realize that money and risk can pay off and they won't keep remaking the same garbage. There is a lot more on the line than just soe or everquest

I disagree with the "saturated" part, I think there is plenty of room for more high quality MMOGs.

 

I also think you over-emphasize the importance of this MMOG for the genre for many of the people who play them, but you are pretty much right as far as I personally am concerned. If EQ Next isn't what I want it to be, I good well quit the genre for good.

 

Frankly, I don't have a tremendous amount of hope that it will deliver what I want; it already sounds to me like they are trying to please too many types of players. I plan on giving it a chance though.

Have played: Everquest, Asheron's Call, Horizons, Everquest2, World of Warcraft, Lord of the Rings Online, Warhammer, Age of Conan, Darkfall

  EvolvedMonky

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7/15/13 3:06:19 PM#18
Originally posted by Lorska
I completely agree with the OP.  If EQN fails to deliver, I'm going into MMO hibernation until World of Darkness.  My time is just a little too valuable these days to waste on hours and hours of more of the same old same old, which is what I see every other forthcoming MMO on the horizon that has any substantial budget.  I couldn't care less about graphical advancements or the little iterations on how X particular MMO does crafting or whatever flavor of instanced housing.  Really looking for a game-changer or nothing, to be honest.  Sick of cop out, low risk game design. 

 

I know right WoD is going to rule them all.  I wonder if theyll keep the part about a player having to turn you to a vampire.

  Smokeysong

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7/16/13 5:18:44 AM#19
Originally posted by Arcticnoon

Free to play. Does that scare anyone else away besides me?

Sub base is like going on a date with your girlfriend and knowing your going to get laid afterwards.

F2P is like taking a girl on a date, things start to get hot and heavy and then she turns to you and says "I'm going to change into something more comfortable, why don't you leave $200 on the nightstand"

LOL indeed, indeed. Well said.

Have played: Everquest, Asheron's Call, Horizons, Everquest2, World of Warcraft, Lord of the Rings Online, Warhammer, Age of Conan, Darkfall

  Nadia

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7/16/13 6:02:45 AM#20
Originally posted by vayte
The mmo market is becoming not only saturated but rather linear as well. Swtor tried something new by emphasizing story. We all know how that story ends...

Bioware announced they were following the Blizzard model - a year before the game launched

http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/02/10/bioware-wow-is-the-touchstone-for-the-old-republic/

"It [World of Warcraft] is a touchstone. It has established standards, it's established how you play an MMO. Every MMO that comes out, I play and look at it.

And if they break any of the WoW rules, in my book that's pretty dumb," Zeschuk said.

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