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  Jemcrystal

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Let em put a slave ring thru u're nose u're prob not going to like where they're taking you. Think.

7/11/13 10:01:15 PM#41
Those of you who are thrifty now if you became filthy rich would you become a whale?  I'm talking if money was never a problem for you again.  Or do you have dedicated moral issues with it?

  maplestone

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7/11/13 10:59:09 PM#42
Originally posted by Jemcrystal
Those of you who are thrifty now if you became filthy rich would you become a whale?  I'm talking if money was never a problem for you again.  Or do you have dedicated moral issues with it?

Over the years, I've come around to the conclusion that throwing surplus money at games does not lead to better games.

(it's possible I would make an exception for kickstarter, but I'm still a little skeptical of my ability to judge the actual viability of pitches)

  Scot

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7/12/13 2:39:43 AM#43

So far I have seen posters put studies on here that have shown that anywhere from 1% to 50% of players in a F2P MMO put money in. You do have to take these studies with a whale sized pinch of salt.

Players being exploited by devs, well that can only happen with a cash shop and you find those in nearly every P2P MMO these days too. I would suggest its the monetised nature of the cash shop that is to blame here, which is simply worse in F2P MMO's, but is no doubt exploiting those in P2P MMO's too.

  nariusseldon

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OP  7/12/13 11:33:37 AM#44
Originally posted by maplestone
Originally posted by Jemcrystal
Those of you who are thrifty now if you became filthy rich would you become a whale?  I'm talking if money was never a problem for you again.  Or do you have dedicated moral issues with it?

Over the years, I've come around to the conclusion that throwing surplus money at games does not lead to better games.

(it's possible I would make an exception for kickstarter, but I'm still a little skeptical of my ability to judge the actual viability of pitches)

But will it make the same game more fun?

If i am a billionaire, i probably will become a whale. If $1000 is like a cent to me, there is no reason not to drop it on anything that even remotely increase my fun/pleasure for merely a few seconds.

In fact, that is probably cheaper than how Paris Hilton shops.

 

  nariusseldon

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OP  7/12/13 11:42:45 AM#45
Originally posted by Scot

Players being exploited by devs, well that can only happen with a cash shop and you find those in nearly every P2P MMO these days too. I would suggest its the monetised nature of the cash shop that is to blame here, which is simply worse in F2P MMO's, but is no doubt exploiting those in P2P MMO's too.

The real question is how many are actually exploited? Only a very small percentage of the paying customers are whales.

http://www.playnomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Playnomics-Q1-Engagement-Report.pdf

This study shows that out of the 13k paying customers, the median is only $3.5 in a whole quarter. Hence 50% of the paying customers (which in turn is a small percentage of the whole player population) is paying less than $3.5 for 3 month. That, obviously, is no where close to any form of exploitation.

The top 1% (134 of them) pays $700 or more. If you count these as the exploited, they came out of 1.7M players. This number is very very (134 out of 1.7M is less than 1% of 1%). And we also don't know if they are just rich, or have psychological problem.

I don't think the view that massive number of players are being exploited is anywhere close to the truth. Buying one or two sparkling pony off wow is not exploitation, it is just the business of impulsive nice to have. No different than seeing a nice Batman statue at the comic book store, and buy it out of impulse.

  Scot

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7/13/13 2:10:11 AM#46
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Scot

Players being exploited by devs, well that can only happen with a cash shop and you find those in nearly every P2P MMO these days too. I would suggest its the monetised nature of the cash shop that is to blame here, which is simply worse in F2P MMO's, but is no doubt exploiting those in P2P MMO's too.

The real question is how many are actually exploited? Only a very small percentage of the paying customers are whales.

http://www.playnomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Playnomics-Q1-Engagement-Report.pdf

This study shows that out of the 13k paying customers, the median is only $3.5 in a whole quarter. Hence 50% of the paying customers (which in turn is a small percentage of the whole player population) is paying less than $3.5 for 3 month. That, obviously, is no where close to any form of exploitation.

The top 1% (134 of them) pays $700 or more. If you count these as the exploited, they came out of 1.7M players. This number is very very (134 out of 1.7M is less than 1% of 1%). And we also don't know if they are just rich, or have psychological problem.

I don't think the view that massive number of players are being exploited is anywhere close to the truth. Buying one or two sparkling pony off wow is not exploitation, it is just the business of impulsive nice to have. No different than seeing a nice Batman statue at the comic book store, and buy it out of impulse.

Those being exploited do not have to be whales, the definition would be relative to the players wealth. If your wealth is low, you don't have to spend much to be exploited.

  Jemcrystal

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Let em put a slave ring thru u're nose u're prob not going to like where they're taking you. Think.

7/13/13 8:11:59 AM#47

Now I remember that commercial a while back against texting and driving where a teen girl was crying about how she lost her sister while texting her.  Then there was that Australian guy, Steve Irwin, that played with rattle snakes and I was always thinking, "It's only a matter of time..."  If you are poor and you are getting caught up in scams you aren't going to stay alive long.  If you aren't smart enough to take care of yourself you need someone else smarter than you to carry you thru life.

 

Maybe they need to make commercials.  "Don't be stupid.  Don't play with poisonous animals.  Don't text and drive; dumbfucks.  And if you don't have money don't buy internet shit."  Worded nicer of course.

  Superman0X

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7/13/13 9:03:20 AM#48
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Betaguy
 

I am not going to lie, I have spent probably 100s of thousands on gaming to date. 10s of thousands in MMO's easily. Not bragging, have no regrets as it is my preferred form of entertainment. I feel it is money well spent and I am happier because of it.

 

One point I had 12 SWG accounts all with yearly subs... I bought twelve original copies.

wow ... i bow to your awesome financial dedication to MMOs.

You probably single handed funded F2P games for thousands to play. May be even one of those that i have played. Thank you!

This is a whale... but in a P2P game. P2P has just as many whales as F2P does. Anyone that has played a P2P long enough, realizes that they can not compete with the whales without becoming one as well. F2P vs P2P really isnt any different in this aspect.

  Vermillion_Raventhal

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7/13/13 9:28:55 AM#49
The real problem with this is that what the majority want doesn't matter because they don't pay the bills.  
  Aldous.Huxley

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7/13/13 9:42:43 AM#50

F2P is a microcosm of our current economic system. The whales are catered to, the freeps are the welfare recipients who think they're getting a sweet deal but are too intellectually challenged to see the big picture, & the majority of us that would normally be happy paying a fair price for a quality game are the ones being squeezed out, nickeled & dimed.

Even though the average Joe is what this genre was built on & supported by. Welcome to the future.

  User Deleted
7/13/13 10:26:35 AM#51
Originally posted by Kleptobrainiac

F2P is a microcosm of our current economic system. The whales are catered to, the freeps are the welfare recipients who think they're getting a sweet deal but are too intellectually challenged to see the big picture, & the majority of us that would normally be happy paying a fair price for a quality game are the ones being squeezed out, nickeled & dimed.

Even though the average Joe is what this genre was built on & supported by. Welcome to the future.

+2 for troll skill -3 for not being able to even come close to reality.

  nariusseldon

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OP  7/14/13 2:03:13 AM#52
Originally posted by Scot
 

Those being exploited do not have to be whales, the definition would be relative to the players wealth. If your wealth is low, you don't have to spend much to be exploited.

Paying $5 can hardly be construed as exploitation, can it?

Plus, most players don't pay anyway.

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