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  Arthasm

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Joined: 7/26/09
Posts: 695

7/13/13 8:12:36 AM#61

I think those demanding F2P just prove how their F2P games are total worthless piece of shit. Cause instead of playing their lovely game, they come here and QQ and demand F2P for next title. I guess taste of those games are just like real shit (I know taste, I ate it), so they want candy without paying? Yes, it's candy for me, but if you call it shit, why even botter if some of us will pay for shit?

Yoshi P already said - pay or gtfo! It's very simple.

 

 

  User Deleted
7/13/13 9:02:42 AM#62
Originally posted by danwest58

Well of course Americans want F2P and near 100 Million of them do.  We have more than 315 Million people and 47% of those people dont pay taxes.  That sounds about right that many of those SAME people dont want to pay for a game, they also dont want to pay for internet, or food, or a dam thing.  They want handouts from the government who take money from hardworking people.  Guess what that sounds like?  Yes F2P games where they take money from one group to pay for another group who dont want to pay period.  

I am getting tired of the F2P argument being the future.  It is not it will FAIL in the business world because outside a few companies the majority of F2P games will never make a profit.  There is no profit when large amounts of people pay nothing into a system.  Thats why our government is in debt thats also why these MMO publishers are under debt too.  Dont think so?  Think again Trion  is near $200 Million in the hole from Defiance plus End of Nations, and were not making money on Rift so they went F2P to try to make a cash grab before they have to shut down.  EA spent $250 million on SWTOR and no they have not made a profit on the game yet. 

 

 

So your points are:

1) Biased, unproven view that the same part of the american population which doesn't pay taxes is the same one which doesn't pay for F2P games, amusing rationalization.

2) Completely forgetting that companies with fair F2P systems are making money hand over fist while the only two MMOs which are still making the P2P model work and work well are EVE-Online ( what many call Elite Online) and World of Warcraft (the classic themepark, more so than even Everquest 1 it represents classic themeparks)  and trying to justify a warped opinion with even more warped logic while giving examples of a failed P2P game (SWTOR) and a failed B2P game (Defiance). End of Nations does not count as it has not been released yet.

  rykim86

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Posts: 238

7/13/13 9:06:14 AM#63
Originally posted by Beelzebobbie

It will never survive as sub based. 

I was gonna play but won't now, after guild wars 2 I will never play another game on a sub based model.

GW2 has shown that you don't need to take every dollar from a player.

And yeah it's a wow clone better someways worse others, not for me.

Have fun with just small 2 week updates and never getting an expansion.

  Raxeon

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Joined: 7/10/10
Posts: 2071

7/13/13 9:16:14 AM#64
Originally posted by Shatter30
This game will fail as a sub MMO.  If TOR couldn't survive as one as large of an IP as it is, why would this do any better when its essentially a WOW clone done worse. 

TOr isnt worth the sub price that game is instances all hell to back as is

  GeezerGamer

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Posts: 4896

7/13/13 9:43:17 AM#65
Originally posted by Soltek

So is FFXIV really going to be Subscription based? And if so will it have a cash shop? I'm finding it hard to believe. I don't think there's been a new triple A subscription based MMORPG since WoW in 2004.

Oh yes It is my friend. Finally, a game with no Cash Shops. So yeah, as long as the game is even remotely decent (and it is) It will be my MMO going forward. F2P B2P whatever, If you have the ability to transfer real money into the game, you have a shitty game. That's my opinion. And this one has even taken steps to curb the Gil Sellers with the retainer system. Anyway, After GW2, I am done with Cash Shop games. P2W or not, has nothing to do with it. So Yes! Thank you Square. Now there is at least one MMO left I will play. And yes. I will quit the game and leave the genre if this game goes Cash Shop and there are no MMOs left without one.

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  Doogiehowser

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Joined: 3/14/12
Posts: 1954

7/13/13 10:21:52 AM#66
Originally posted by Arthasm

I think those demanding F2P just prove how their F2P games are total worthless piece of shit. Cause instead of playing their lovely game, they come here and QQ and demand F2P for next title. I guess taste of those games are just like real shit (I know taste, I ate it), so they want candy without paying? Yes, it's candy for me, but if you call it shit, why even botter if some of us will pay for shit?

Yoshi P already said - pay or gtfo! It's very simple.

 

 

Arguing that P2P MMOS are failing left and right and that more and more players prefer F2P model doesn't mean people are demanding FFXIV to go F2P. I think you need to read the topic again thoroughly. 

Also did you say you ate shit?  

"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell

"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney

  Wraithone

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Joined: 7/09/04
Posts: 3574

If you can't kill it, don't make it mad.

7/13/13 10:25:41 AM#67
Originally posted by Soltek

So is FFXIV really going to be Subscription based? And if so will it have a cash shop? I'm finding it hard to believe. I don't think there's been a new triple A subscription based MMORPG since WoW in 2004.

Yoshi P had an extensive interview in which he explained why FF14 is subscription. I totally agree with him.

http://venturebeat.com/2013/06/17/final-fantasy-online-director-defends-monthly-subscriptions-in-the-golden-age-of-free-to-play-exclusive/

  drivendawn

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Joined: 4/17/11
Posts: 968

7/13/13 10:33:50 AM#68
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by Arthasm

I think those demanding F2P just prove how their F2P games are total worthless piece of shit. Cause instead of playing their lovely game, they come here and QQ and demand F2P for next title. I guess taste of those games are just like real shit (I know taste, I ate it), so they want candy without paying? Yes, it's candy for me, but if you call it shit, why even botter if some of us will pay for shit?

Yoshi P already said - pay or gtfo! It's very simple.

 

 

Arguing that P2P MMOS are failing left and right and that more and more players prefer F2P model doesn't mean people are demanding FFXIV to go F2P. I think you need to read the topic again thoroughly. 

Also did you say you ate shit?  

Serious question not trying to be a dick or anything. Do you like this game or not? Because you have been posting here on the XIV forum for a while, yet its all negative.

  Doogiehowser

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7/13/13 10:45:23 AM#69
Originally posted by drivendawn
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by Arthasm

I think those demanding F2P just prove how their F2P games are total worthless piece of shit. Cause instead of playing their lovely game, they come here and QQ and demand F2P for next title. I guess taste of those games are just like real shit (I know taste, I ate it), so they want candy without paying? Yes, it's candy for me, but if you call it shit, why even botter if some of us will pay for shit?

Yoshi P already said - pay or gtfo! It's very simple.

 

 

Arguing that P2P MMOS are failing left and right and that more and more players prefer F2P model doesn't mean people are demanding FFXIV to go F2P. I think you need to read the topic again thoroughly. 

Also did you say you ate shit?  

Serious question not trying to be a dick or anything. Do you like this game or not? Because you have been posting here on the XIV forum for a while, yet its all negative.

All my posts about FFXIV are mostly about payment models. Could you show me the negativity you are talking about? not once i have said that FFXIV sucks or is horrible / bad.

Usually around here when people do not agree with what you have to say is either you are 'trolling' or being 'negative'.

 

"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell

"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney

  Comaf

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Joined: 7/13/10
Posts: 1138

I want an mmorpg where pvp matters, my enemies are not my race or class, and community matters.

7/13/13 10:47:51 AM#70
Originally posted by Margulis
Originally posted by Soltek

So is FFXIV really going to be Subscription based? And if so will it have a cash shop? I'm finding it hard to believe. I don't think there's been a new triple A subscription based MMORPG since WoW in 2004.

Either you're trolling or new to mmo's my friend.

Guessing he lives under a bridge.

  drivendawn

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Joined: 4/17/11
Posts: 968

7/13/13 10:48:14 AM#71
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by drivendawn
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by Arthasm

I think those demanding F2P just prove how their F2P games are total worthless piece of shit. Cause instead of playing their lovely game, they come here and QQ and demand F2P for next title. I guess taste of those games are just like real shit (I know taste, I ate it), so they want candy without paying? Yes, it's candy for me, but if you call it shit, why even botter if some of us will pay for shit?

Yoshi P already said - pay or gtfo! It's very simple.

 

 

Arguing that P2P MMOS are failing left and right and that more and more players prefer F2P model doesn't mean people are demanding FFXIV to go F2P. I think you need to read the topic again thoroughly. 

Also did you say you ate shit?  

Serious question not trying to be a dick or anything. Do you like this game or not? Because you have been posting here on the XIV forum for a while, yet its all negative.

All my posts about FFXIV are mostly about payment models. Could you show me the negativity you are talking about? not once i have said that FFXIV sucks or is horrible / bad.

Usually around here when people do not agree with what you have to say is either you are 'trolling' or being 'negative'.

 

So you like it then?

  Arthasm

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Joined: 7/26/09
Posts: 695

7/13/13 10:52:43 AM#72
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by Arthasm

I think those demanding F2P just prove how their F2P games are total worthless piece of shit. Cause instead of playing their lovely game, they come here and QQ and demand F2P for next title. I guess taste of those games are just like real shit (I know taste, I ate it), so they want candy without paying? Yes, it's candy for me, but if you call it shit, why even botter if some of us will pay for shit?

Yoshi P already said - pay or gtfo! It's very simple.

 

 

Arguing that P2P MMOS are failing left and right and that more and more players prefer F2P model doesn't mean people are demanding FFXIV to go F2P. I think you need to read the topic again thoroughly. 

Also did you say you ate shit?  

Yes, you have problem with that? Every shit like GW2, Rift (F2P version), Tera, whatever the Free-2-Crap players prefer.

  TwoThreeFour

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Joined: 3/26/12
Posts: 2148

7/13/13 11:29:54 AM#73
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by ste2000
Originally posted by Soltek

So is FFXIV really going to be Subscription based? And if so will it have a cash shop? I'm finding it hard to believe. I don't think there's been a new triple A subscription based MMORPG since WoW in 2004.

FF IP has many followers who will happily subscribe for this game.

If it wasn't for the huge FF fanbase this game would have gone F2P within 6 months.

Sta Trek had many follower more than FF, Star Wars has many followers. more than FF, Warhammer has many followers again more than FF. IP and followers means nothing these days.

You can give IP fans a MMO which will cure cancer and they still wouldn't support it as a P2P model in long run.

Star Trek's fanbase is mainly not based on their games. FF is based almost exclusively on the games.

  Doogiehowser

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7/13/13 12:58:40 PM#74
Originally posted by Arthasm
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by Arthasm

I think those demanding F2P just prove how their F2P games are total worthless piece of shit. Cause instead of playing their lovely game, they come here and QQ and demand F2P for next title. I guess taste of those games are just like real shit (I know taste, I ate it), so they want candy without paying? Yes, it's candy for me, but if you call it shit, why even botter if some of us will pay for shit?

Yoshi P already said - pay or gtfo! It's very simple.

 

 

Arguing that P2P MMOS are failing left and right and that more and more players prefer F2P model doesn't mean people are demanding FFXIV to go F2P. I think you need to read the topic again thoroughly. 

Also did you say you ate shit?  

Yes, you have problem with that? Every shit like GW2, Rift (F2P version), Tera, whatever the Free-2-Crap players prefer.

No i don't, i am just grinning at the irony of you calling games like GW2, Rift etc 'shit' and then lashing out at others for calling FFXIV average or bad. 

"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell

"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney

  Distopia

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7/13/13 1:08:09 PM#75
Originally posted by JeroKane

I am totally happy it´s subscription based!

No nickel & diming cash shop! Full access to the entire game without restrictions!

Hell yeah! Like the good old days where you just pay a monthly fee and have full unrestricted access to a MMO!

 

And it also means people like the OP won´t be playing it!  Win / Win situation if you ask me :P

I felt the same way about TOR, then I hit max level... All I can say is they better have something that makes for an interesting top level experience, or they have no shot at sustaining this business model.

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  Mtibbs1989

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7/13/13 1:11:22 PM#76
Originally posted by Shatter30
This game will fail as a sub MMO.  If TOR couldn't survive as one as large of an IP as it is, why would this do any better when its essentially a WOW clone done worse. 

TOR couldn't survive because it couldn't make up the billion dollar investment that EA threw at the purchase of BioWare and BioWares development of the game. 


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  Doogiehowser

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7/13/13 1:16:10 PM#77
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
Originally posted by Shatter30
This game will fail as a sub MMO.  If TOR couldn't survive as one as large of an IP as it is, why would this do any better when its essentially a WOW clone done worse. 

TOR couldn't survive because it couldn't make up the billion dollar investment that EA threw at the purchase of BioWare and BioWares development of the game. 

Is that a fact? billion dollar? got any reliable source to back up this statement... because i would like to read up on it.

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  SnarkRitter

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7/13/13 1:16:51 PM#78
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989

TOR couldn't survive because it couldn't make up the billion dollar investment that EA threw at the purchase of BioWare and BioWares development of the game. 

I don't think when people say that SWTOR failed, they give a damn about SWTOR not living up to investors expecting, they meant that SWTOR subs were hermorhaging like mad until it went F2P.

  Mtibbs1989

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7/13/13 1:18:48 PM#79
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
Originally posted by Shatter30
This game will fail as a sub MMO.  If TOR couldn't survive as one as large of an IP as it is, why would this do any better when its essentially a WOW clone done worse. 

TOR couldn't survive because it couldn't make up the billion dollar investment that EA threw at the purchase of BioWare and BioWares development of the game. 

Is that a fact? billion dollar? got any reliable source to back up this statement... because i would like to read up on it.

I suppose it's rocket science to do some basic research now-a-days? The purchase of Bioware cost roughly 750,000,000 dollars and the production of SWTOR is somewhere in the 200,000,000's there are plenty of reports and articles that have been written about the massive amount of money funded into to company and SWTOR. 


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  Mtibbs1989

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7/13/13 1:20:02 PM#80
Originally posted by SnarkRitter
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989

TOR couldn't survive because it couldn't make up the billion dollar investment that EA threw at the purchase of BioWare and BioWares development of the game. 

I don't think when people say that SWTOR failed, they give a damn about SWTOR not living up to investors expecting, they meant that SWTOR subs were hermorhaging like mad until it went F2P.

 Of course, the money spent on the product also doesn't equate to the quality of the product released to their customers. It was a substantially bad product on EA BioWare's part which cost them greatly.


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