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  rnor6084

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7/12/13 9:57:52 PM#161
What a joke.
  hockeyplayr

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7/12/13 10:09:15 PM#162
Originally posted by coprhead6
Craz,
Archery , Sailing, Equestrian, and Fencing are all very physical. I'm sorry you've never gotten up from your couch to realize that :D

+1. Took archery in college.  Takes alot more upper body strength than you'd think.  A lot of people struggled

  rojoArcueid

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7/12/13 10:41:49 PM#163
Originally posted by JIUBHUNNY420
Originally posted by Four0Six

No offence to gaming, but puke.

"e-Sports" is NOT on par with actual athletes.

I support "pro-gaming" where one might be able to make a living playing video games, but I do NOT think of that as being an athlete.

 

Nascar isnt a sport either than right? Or Poker? Or Fishing?

 

Sorry but theres money to be made, and Id rather us nerds get a chance at doing what we love for a profit.

those are actual sports. Driving real racing cars, fishing real fishes with real tools on a real lake, and playing chess requires more mental preparation than any virtual fighting game.

You misunderstood the first poster. He didnt say video gaming for profit is wrong. He just said video games dont make you an athlete. You can be both, both one doesnt make you the other.

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  Asamof

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7/13/13 2:58:44 AM#164
damn, if only the government knew that casually throwing around terminology would make such fuel for nerd arguments 
  User Deleted
7/13/13 3:05:38 AM#165
Originally posted by Asamof
damn, if only the government knew that casually throwing around terminology would make such fuel for nerd arguments 

Neah, the nerds don't have any issue with it (unless they harbor some jealousy for flaming out of the pro-league level of e-sports) it's people who took non-esports in high-school or college who seem to be taking some offense at it... kind of amusing really.

  bbbb42

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7/13/13 9:22:23 AM#166
Originally posted by CrazKanuk
Originally posted by Four0Six

No offence to gaming, but puke.

"e-Sports" is NOT on par with actual athletes.

I support "pro-gaming" where one might be able to make a living playing video games, but I do NOT think of that as being an athlete.

 

 

Why not? It isn't physical, but neither is archery, shooting, sailing, equestrian, golf, fencing or curling, and they're all Olympic sports. 

 

[mod edit]

lol ;]

  lizardbones

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7/13/13 9:32:45 AM#167


Originally posted by mcrippins
DefinitionThe precise definition of what separates a sport from other leisure activities varies between sources, with no universally agreed definition. The closest to an international agreement on a definition is provided by SportAccord, which is the association for all the largest international sports federations (including association footballathletics,cyclingtennisequestrian sports and more), and is therefore the de facto representative of international sport.

SportAccord uses the following criteria, determining that a sport should:[1]

  • have an element of competition
  • be in no way harmful to any living creature not rely on equipment provided by a single supplier (excluding proprietary games such as arena football) not rely on any "luck" element specifically designed into the sport
They also recognise that sport can be primarily physical (such as rugby or athletics), primarily mind (such as chess or go), predominantly motorised (such as Formula 1or powerboating), primarily co-ordination (such as billiard sports), or primarily animal supported (such as equestrian sport).[1]

There has been an increase in the application of the term "sport" to a wider set of non-physical challenges such as electronic sports, especially due to the large scale of participation and organised competition, but these are not widely recognised by mainstream sports organisations.

========================================

So when does a game become a sport? You can decide. However, 50 years from now I have a feeling some of you are going to be pretty upset. Professional gaming / e-sports is growing very rapidly. 




The only problem with e-Sports is the RNG factor. That would leave out most, if not all MMORPGs, unless it could be argued that since the RNG applies to everyone, it's not relevant.

Oh, and it seems e-Sports would fall under the Billiards definition.

For every large, complex problem, there is a simple, clear solution that also happens to be absolutely wrong.

  lizardbones

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7/13/13 9:34:32 AM#168


Originally posted by azmundai
How long until there is a grand jury hearing about performance enhancing drugs being used by e-sport "athletes"?


Modafinil and Strattera Go!

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  dinams

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7/13/13 9:44:26 AM#169
Originally posted by mcrippins

Definition

The precise definition of what separates a sport from other leisure activities varies between sources, with no universally agreed definition. The closest to an international agreement on a definition is provided by SportAccord, which is the association for all the largest international sports federations (including association footballathletics,cyclingtennisequestrian sports and more), and is therefore the de facto representative of international sport.

SportAccord uses the following criteria, determining that a sport should:[1]

  • have an element of competition
  • be in no way harmful to any living creature
  • not rely on equipment provided by a single supplier (excluding proprietary games such as arena football)
  • not rely on any "luck" element specifically designed into the sport

They also recognise that sport can be primarily physical (such as rugby or athletics), primarily mind (such as chess or go), predominantly motorised (such as Formula 1or powerboating), primarily co-ordination (such as billiard sports), or primarily animal supported (such as equestrian sport).[1]

There has been an increase in the application of the term "sport" to a wider set of non-physical challenges such as electronic sports, especially due to the large scale of participation and organised competition, but these are not widely recognised by mainstream sports organisations.

========================================

So when does a game become a sport? You can decide. However, 50 years from now I have a feeling some of you are going to be pretty upset. Professional gaming / e-sports is growing very rapidly. 

 

Here

It seems this guy won the argument

Now all the envious people can sleep with troubled minds, primarily the "For" Sport argument , that was weak sauce

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  someforumguy

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7/13/13 9:47:27 AM#170

Since when is sports primarily about physical exercise? Sports is about a competition of skill. No matter if that uses your physical strength, mind or reflexes or a combination.

Also, for many sports you need a clear mind and being able to concentrate for long. Cardio and physical exercise training program is beneficial for this. But of course if you compete in chess tournaments, your main focus will be chess training and not cardio. 

  Blazeyer

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:)

7/13/13 9:49:32 AM#171

I'm still waiting to get scouted at the local mall arcade while I bust on 10-13 year olds for a chance at going pro in air hockey.

 

^ Even without talking about physical attributes I could argue air hockey is more of a "sport" than playing a MOBA.

  User Deleted
7/13/13 10:05:15 AM#172
Originally posted by Blazeyer

I'm still waiting to get scouted at the local mall arcade while I bust on 10-13 year olds for a chance at going pro in air hockey.

 

^ Even without talking about physical attributes I could argue air hockey is more of a "sport" than playing a MOBA.

Look up one of the pro teams for LoL and ask for a match with 4 bots on either side you and one of their lower end pros... see how far you get.

  Blazeyer

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:)

7/13/13 10:21:03 AM#173
Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by Blazeyer

I'm still waiting to get scouted at the local mall arcade while I bust on 10-13 year olds for a chance at going pro in air hockey.

 

^ Even without talking about physical attributes I could argue air hockey is more of a "sport" than playing a MOBA.

Look up one of the pro teams for LoL and ask for a match with 4 bots on either side you and one of their lower end pros... see how far you get.

What's your point? They're better than me at LoL? Duh. I was ranked top 30 in the world on fight night champions ps3, I didn't call it a sport, nor consider myself an athlete solely based upon that fact.

I have issue with calling it a sport, but as I stated in another post since I consider something like chess to be a sport (stamina, determination, skill, intelligence) I can't look the other way on MOBAs. I will never ever call the people playing these games athletes though.

This whole argument to me is just stupid. This means that every 8-12 year old kid playing CoD on xbox is now playing a sport. "No mom, I don't need to go outside and be active, the US govt says what I'm doing is a sport, so I must be an athlete. Now get me more hot pockets". This means that in a single swoop there are more people playing "the sport of" video games than all other prior sports combined.

---This is for ALL GAMES isn't it? Meaning If I challenge some friends to a rousing game of  hello kitty island adventure score comparison (or whatever the hell you actually do in that game) we're infact playing a sport, and are now athletes.

I can read, so I must be smart enough to join mensa?

  Doogiehowser

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7/13/13 10:31:02 AM#174

I take everything US government does and says very seriously.... ... .........

Nah i am just screwing with you all.

 

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  User Deleted
7/13/13 10:35:29 AM#175
Originally posted by Blazeyer
Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by Blazeyer

I'm still waiting to get scouted at the local mall arcade while I bust on 10-13 year olds for a chance at going pro in air hockey.

 

^ Even without talking about physical attributes I could argue air hockey is more of a "sport" than playing a MOBA.

Look up one of the pro teams for LoL and ask for a match with 4 bots on either side you and one of their lower end pros... see how far you get.

What's your point? They're better than me at LoL? Duh. I was ranked top 30 in the world on fight night champions ps3, I didn't call it a sport, nor consider myself an athlete solely based upon that fact.

I have issue with calling it a sport, but as I stated in another post since I consider something like chess to be a sport (stamina, determination, skill, intelligence) I can't look the other way on MOBAs. I will never ever call the people playing these games athletes though.

This whole argument to me is just stupid. This means that every 8-12 year old kid playing CoD on xbox is now playing a sport. "No mom, I don't need to go outside and be active, the US govt says what I'm doing is a sport, so I must be an athlete. Now get me more hot pockets". This means that in a single swoop there are more people playing "the sport of" video games than all other prior sports combined.

---This is for ALL GAMES isn't it? Meaning If I challenge some friends to a rousing game of  hello kitty island adventure score comparison (or whatever the hell you actually do in that game) we're infact playing a sport, and are now athletes.

I can read, so I must be smart enough to join mensa?

Pathetic attempt at irony aside, do you consider soccer played on a field by a couple of kids a sport or a game? Do you consider a bout of football between family members in a backyard a sport or a game? Here's the difference in it: Unless it is in a official and competitive setting you can't really call video games sports, you call them games, if the 12 year old is a prodigy at a Counterstrike tournament able to keep up with people twice his age and win games for his team and he's a athlete in my book, if he is a toxic little shit on XBLA ordering for hot pockets from his too good natured mom then he's a gamer.

Context in this is crucial because just like any older sports video games can be either games or sports ( some people run for fun, others run as part of a sport). It may seem like a minute difference when games are concerned but, just like in professional sports, gaming tournaments are rigorously monitored to maintain fair conditions where cheating and other means of assuring wins cannot happen.

  Blazeyer

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:)

7/13/13 11:07:11 AM#176
Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by Blazeyer

What's your point? They're better than me at LoL? Duh. I was ranked top 30 in the world on fight night champions ps3, I didn't call it a sport, nor consider myself an athlete solely based upon that fact.

I have issue with calling it a sport, but as I stated in another post since I consider something like chess to be a sport (stamina, determination, skill, intelligence) I can't look the other way on MOBAs. I will never ever call the people playing these games athletes though.

This whole argument to me is just stupid. This means that every 8-12 year old kid playing CoD on xbox is now playing a sport. "No mom, I don't need to go outside and be active, the US govt says what I'm doing is a sport, so I must be an athlete. Now get me more hot pockets". This means that in a single swoop there are more people playing "the sport of" video games than all other prior sports combined.

---This is for ALL GAMES isn't it? Meaning If I challenge some friends to a rousing game of  hello kitty island adventure score comparison (or whatever the hell you actually do in that game) we're infact playing a sport, and are now athletes.

I can read, so I must be smart enough to join mensa?

Pathetic attempt at irony aside, do you consider soccer played on a field by a couple of kids a sport or a game? Do you consider a bout of football between family members in a backyard a sport or a game? Here's the difference in it: Unless it is in a official and competitive setting you can't really call video games sports, you call them games, if the 12 year old is a prodigy at a Counterstrike tournament able to keep up with people twice his age and win games for his team and he's a athlete in my book, if he is a toxic little shit on XBLA ordering for hot pockets from his too good natured mom then he's a gamer.

Context in this is crucial because just like any older sports video games can be either games or sports ( some people run for fun, others run as part of a sport). It may seem like a minute difference when games are concerned but, just like in professional sports, gaming tournaments are rigorously monitored to maintain fair conditions where cheating and other means of assuring wins cannot happen.

Why wouldn't I consider those examples a sport/game? If you've ever played any sort of backyard sport you would know that NO ONE ever plays to lose. If I play in a rec basketball league with people of all ages and there is no referee it's not a sport/game?

Professional eaters are more athletic than professional gamers. Physical, Mental, Stamina. You show me a 12 year old that can put down more hot dogs than kobayashi and I'll point and say "there's an athlete". Calling a 12 year old who could be 4'10 200lbs but is good at a FPS an athlete is a joke. By your account those tween girls who are in the texting competitions are athletes.

I already said I have to concede on calling gaming a sport because I feel certain ways about games like chess. You do not have to be a professional anything to be called/considered an athlete that's why there are people we call "professional athletes". But calling someone an athlete just based on playing video games (because it's now recognized as a sport by the US govt [2 weeks ago they weren't athletes, but magically now because a piece of paper was signed they are]) is just silly.

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7/13/13 11:14:06 AM#177
Originally posted by Blazeyer
Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by Blazeyer

What's your point? They're better than me at LoL? Duh. I was ranked top 30 in the world on fight night champions ps3, I didn't call it a sport, nor consider myself an athlete solely based upon that fact.

I have issue with calling it a sport, but as I stated in another post since I consider something like chess to be a sport (stamina, determination, skill, intelligence) I can't look the other way on MOBAs. I will never ever call the people playing these games athletes though.

This whole argument to me is just stupid. This means that every 8-12 year old kid playing CoD on xbox is now playing a sport. "No mom, I don't need to go outside and be active, the US govt says what I'm doing is a sport, so I must be an athlete. Now get me more hot pockets". This means that in a single swoop there are more people playing "the sport of" video games than all other prior sports combined.

---This is for ALL GAMES isn't it? Meaning If I challenge some friends to a rousing game of  hello kitty island adventure score comparison (or whatever the hell you actually do in that game) we're infact playing a sport, and are now athletes.

I can read, so I must be smart enough to join mensa?

Pathetic attempt at irony aside, do you consider soccer played on a field by a couple of kids a sport or a game? Do you consider a bout of football between family members in a backyard a sport or a game? Here's the difference in it: Unless it is in a official and competitive setting you can't really call video games sports, you call them games, if the 12 year old is a prodigy at a Counterstrike tournament able to keep up with people twice his age and win games for his team and he's a athlete in my book, if he is a toxic little shit on XBLA ordering for hot pockets from his too good natured mom then he's a gamer.

Context in this is crucial because just like any older sports video games can be either games or sports ( some people run for fun, others run as part of a sport). It may seem like a minute difference when games are concerned but, just like in professional sports, gaming tournaments are rigorously monitored to maintain fair conditions where cheating and other means of assuring wins cannot happen.

Why wouldn't I consider those examples a sport/game? If you've ever played any sort of backyard sport you would know that NO ONE ever plays to lose. If I play in a rec basketball league with people of all ages and there is no referee it's not a sport/game?

Professional eaters are more athletic than professional gamers. Physical, Mental, Stamina. You show me a 12 year old that can put down more hot dogs than kobayashi and I'll point and say "there's an athlete". Calling a 12 year old who could be 4'10 200lbs but is good at a FPS an athlete is a joke. By your account those tween girls who are in the texting competitions are athletes.

I already said I have to concede on calling gaming a sport because I feel certain ways about games like chess. You do not have to be a professional anything to be called/considered an athlete that's why there are people we call "professional athletes". But calling someone an athlete just based on playing video games (because it's now recognized as a sport by the US govt [2 weeks ago they weren't athletes, but magically now because a piece of paper was signed they are]) is just silly.

No more silly than someone able to run around with a ball good being paid orders of magnitude better than doctors, scientists, artists, etc. It is a joke of modern society to even split things up so arbitrarily and it is mostly based on human insecurities.

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7/13/13 11:27:41 AM#178
Originally posted by Dihoru
No more silly than someone able to run around with a ball good being paid orders of magnitude better than doctors, scientists, artists, etc. It is a joke of modern society to even split things up so arbitrarily and it is mostly based on human insecurities.

No. They are athletes. They train their body.

Definition of ATHLETE

Noun A person who is proficient in sports and other forms of physical exercise.

Also:

Being paid highly has nothing to do with being an athlete. I stated before that you can just be an athlete. Do you think cross country runners get paid more than doctors? C'mon.

If you want to debate salaries among professional athletes compared to average joes you're going way too far off topic.

 

 
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7/13/13 12:22:47 PM#179
Originally posted by Blazeyer
Originally posted by Dihoru
No more silly than someone able to run around with a ball good being paid orders of magnitude better than doctors, scientists, artists, etc. It is a joke of modern society to even split things up so arbitrarily and it is mostly based on human insecurities.

No. They are athletes. They train their body.

Definition of ATHLETE

Noun A person who is proficient in sports and other forms of physical exercise.

Also:

Being paid highly has nothing to do with being an athlete. I stated before that you can just be an athlete. Do you think cross country runners get paid more than doctors? C'mon.

If you want to debate salaries among professional athletes compared to average joes you're going way too far off topic.

 

 

You brought silliness (a fundamentally subjective notion) into discussion, not me.

Also:

http://oald8.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/dictionary/athlete

1. a person who competes in sports

League of Legends is now considered a sport ergo professional LoL players are athletes.

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7/13/13 12:46:44 PM#180
Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by Blazeyer
Originally posted by Dihoru
No more silly than someone able to run around with a ball good being paid orders of magnitude better than doctors, scientists, artists, etc. It is a joke of modern society to even split things up so arbitrarily and it is mostly based on human insecurities.

No. They are athletes. They train their body.

Definition of ATHLETE

Noun A person who is proficient in sports and other forms of physical exercise.

Also:

Being paid highly has nothing to do with being an athlete. I stated before that you can just be an athlete. Do you think cross country runners get paid more than doctors? C'mon.

If you want to debate salaries among professional athletes compared to average joes you're going way too far off topic.

 

 

You brought silliness (a fundamentally subjective notion) into discussion, not me.

Also:

http://oald8.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/dictionary/athlete

1. a person who competes in sports

League of Legends is now considered a sport ergo professional LoL players are athletes.

2 weeks ago they weren't athletes, but now they are because someone signed a piece of paper. Going by this then yes all of those 12 year old kids playing CoD right now are athletes. 30% of People in the US obese, but as long as they play CoD or LoL they are athletes. I know some guys with man boobs, does this make them girls?

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