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  NetSage

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7/13/13 8:06:03 AM#341
That's the exact same combination FFXIV has.  They took a lot of the ideas from mmo's we've seen since wow(and wow itself of course) and added FF flavor to it.  So this model is fine for blizzard but for anyone else it means it's doomed to fail?
  Iadien

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7/13/13 8:08:45 AM#342
Originally posted by Kleptobrainiac
Of course it will kill WoW. Just the hype of the game alone chipped a million or so subs off WoW subs a month or so ago.

I know this is a joke, but the only thing that will kill WoW is WoW.

  Roguewiz

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7/13/13 8:21:06 AM#343

Failure to kill WOW does not mean a game is a failure.  FF XIV is good enough to garner at least 500K subs.  Personally, I expect 750K-1M.  Will it last at 1M subs?  Probably not, but would be nice.  That really depends on end-game content and content updates.  I expect 750K-1M subs in the first 2 months, 500K in the next 3-6.  If there aren't any content updates by then, server mergers. (speaking from experience with previous games)

They've made a lot of improvements.  Combat is better than 1.0, but still slightly slower than WOW.  They've improved their questing and overall level grind.  You now have multiple things you can do to level your character.  The job system is still the best class system on the market (IMO).  Advanced jobs add a lot more uniqueness to your character, which is a big improvement from what 1.0 had.

Overall, the game is better.  Is it worth a monthly sub?  That's up to the individuall.  Some people have no problems with subscription games (me), while others have problems with F2P games.

Allow me to make one correction to the overall biased opinions of people in this thread:  F2P games don't automatically fail nor does F2P mean it is item shop B2W

EQ is still going, and is not B2W

EQ2 is still going, and is not B2W

DDO is still going, and is not B2W

LOTRO is still going, and is not B2W

To name a few.

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  IfrianMMO

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7/13/13 8:36:33 AM#344

M i the only one who is a bit tired of reading "We dont want the WoW community in" and similar remarks being spammed over and over in every single mmorpg thread?

WoW has not a "bigger amount of douches per server" compared to any other mmo and, dare i say it?                                         

The mmo community is quite horrible and agressive no matter where you go.

Reading "WoW and it´s players suck" every single day gets old fast.

  Aldous.Huxley

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7/13/13 8:38:08 AM#345
FFXIV is so good that Smedley decided to make EQNext F2P to avoid direct competition.
  botrytis

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7/13/13 8:38:51 AM#346
Originally posted by Iadien
Originally posted by Kleptobrainiac
Of course it will kill WoW. Just the hype of the game alone chipped a million or so subs off WoW subs a month or so ago.

I know this is a joke, but the only thing that will kill WoW is WoW.

Blizzard will kill WoW - many people are just hooked on it.

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  Abrraham

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7/13/13 8:41:44 AM#347
FF ARR was probably my worst MMO gaming experience of the last months. Even DP was more fun.
  Dihoru

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7/13/13 8:45:32 AM#348
Originally posted by NetSage
That's the exact same combination FFXIV has.  They took a lot of the ideas from mmo's we've seen since wow(and wow itself of course) and added FF flavor to it.  So this model is fine for blizzard but for anyone else it means it's doomed to fail?

The issue is that it has the exact same combination...and that exact same combination is found in many, many games most of which are F2P and some have allot of content to boot too.

  Chocobro

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7/13/13 10:05:41 AM#349
Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by NetSage
Originally posted by ste2000

OP...............really

FFXIV has nothing innovative, it is a mix between Rift and WAR.

The only thing that could save the game from going F2P in 6 months is the huge FF fanbase..................but greatest MMO since WoW?

Not even close by a Mile................

So what did WoW innovate at launch?  Because, last I checked it was still the most successful mmo ever.  The only thing it had was it did what other mmo's before had but done better.

Innovation != Success; recent games show this more and more.  That's why their f2p.  They tried to innovate but failed to deliver a great game overall.

What WoW had at launch was a unique mish-mash of traits from multiple older MMOs (everquest principal among its inspirations) and a good IP behind it.

What does FFXIV have? Allot "been done already" features and a half-decent IP (which hasn't produced a decent non-MMO game since FFX and arguably FFX-2) plus a dangerous amount of hype.

"half-decent IP"

Your opinion, FF IP is one of the most recognized/loved in the world. You don't get that kind of recognition from a "half-decent IP"  

"(which hasn't produced a decent non-MMO game since FFX and arguably FFX-2)"

Again your opinion. Millions of fans love FF12 (me included) and FF13.

ARR is different. It's unfortunate you can't see it.

 

 

  ste2000

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7/13/13 10:10:49 AM#350
Originally posted by NetSage
Originally posted by ste2000

OP...............really

FFXIV has nothing innovative, it is a mix between Rift and WAR.

The only thing that could save the game from going F2P in 6 months is the huge FF fanbase..................but greatest MMO since WoW?

Not even close by a Mile................

So what did WoW innovate at launch?  Because, last I checked it was still the most successful mmo ever.  The only thing it had was it did what other mmo's before had but done better.

Innovation != Success; recent games show this more and more.  That's why their f2p.  They tried to innovate but failed to deliver a great game overall.

In 2004 there were 5 major MMOs

EQ, EQ2, UO, SWG, WoW

Now.............if you played all 5 of them like I did, you will realise how much innovation brought compared to the other 4, and that's the reason why it is still so successful after 9 years.

Innovation doesn't necessarily means you invent something new, but that you use it effectively.

 

FFXIV is a cookie cutter of WAR and Rift..............but they are F2P..................... while FFXIV ain't

I don't see the reason why anyone would want to pay a subscription, unless you are a FF fanboy.

  Doogiehowser

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7/13/13 10:11:04 AM#351
Originally posted by Kleptobrainiac
FFXIV is so good that Smedley decided to make EQNext F2P to avoid direct competition.

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  GeezerGamer

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7/13/13 10:20:02 AM#352
Originally posted by ste2000

OP...............really

FFXIV has nothing innovative, it is a mix between Rift and WAR.

The only thing that could save the game from going F2P in 6 months is the huge FF fanbase..................but greatest MMO since WoW?

Not even close by a Mile................

Why does this board seem to have a predominant idea that a new MMO has to innovate to be successful? Most of the successful games simply borrowed and refined ideas from other games.

Look at GW2. It's a decent game. But, IMO,  the developers wasted far too much time and energy into avoiding ideas and mechanics that were in the WoW model and in the end they tried too hard to re invent the wheel. As I have said before. For the most part they were successful in creating a new working mechanic. But the problem was that in most cases that new mechanic was not a clear improvement over the old. The Non Trinity system. Great idea. But the implementation was very messy. Sure it works (barely) but I don't consider it an overall improvement. Just a different option. Then there is the DE system. While great in theory and yes, they are fun, it too falls short of the promised effect. They are very repetitive and change very little. But also the hidden aspect of them being the amount of time to develop them. Since the Game's release, how many new DEs have been added? While they are more enjoyable than Quest Hubs, You simply cannot get the level of game content available in the Hub system. So it adds even more to the repetition of the system.

 

Over time, those systems will be refined and incorporated into new MMOs and so on, but adding them to a game for the 1st time can be detrimental. GW2 also had it's own share of issues after it released that the developers had to deal with. Player loopholes and what not based on the new and untested dynamics that new innovations introduced. Just things that players discovered and took advantage of that were un-forseen due to inexperience with the system and how the masses will react to it.

 

Why go through all that, when all players want is an enjoyable experience. That can be done if the proper tried and true are applied to a good game to begin with. Most recent AAA titles didn't have a good game to start with.

I feel that the state of the genre is such that a total and complete failure is needed so it can be reborn anew.
I'm actually hoping this new generation of 8 button MMOs will make that happen.

  Dihoru

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7/13/13 10:23:54 AM#353
Originally posted by Chocobro
Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by NetSage
Originally posted by ste2000

OP...............really

FFXIV has nothing innovative, it is a mix between Rift and WAR.

The only thing that could save the game from going F2P in 6 months is the huge FF fanbase..................but greatest MMO since WoW?

Not even close by a Mile................

So what did WoW innovate at launch?  Because, last I checked it was still the most successful mmo ever.  The only thing it had was it did what other mmo's before had but done better.

Innovation != Success; recent games show this more and more.  That's why their f2p.  They tried to innovate but failed to deliver a great game overall.

What WoW had at launch was a unique mish-mash of traits from multiple older MMOs (everquest principal among its inspirations) and a good IP behind it.

What does FFXIV have? Allot "been done already" features and a half-decent IP (which hasn't produced a decent non-MMO game since FFX and arguably FFX-2) plus a dangerous amount of hype.

"half-decent IP"

Your opinion, FF IP is one of the most recognized/loved in the world. You don't get that kind of recognition from a "half-decent IP"  

"(which hasn't produced a decent non-MMO game since FFX and arguably FFX-2)"

Again your opinion. Millions of fans love FF12 (me included) and FF13.

ARR is different. It's unfortunate you can't see it.

 

 

Yes I am sure having incrementally less control over your games is a step up in terms of gaming quality.

ARR is about as different from other MMOs currently on the market as Rift is from WoW and I am being generous here.

Also if you want the most recognized IPs in the world try Star Trek, Star Wars, Warhammer 40.000, etc, Final Fantasy is popular in Asia and some segments of the western culture but if you ask someone from a village in the middle of nowhere who Tifa is and then ask who Picard is I'll let you guess which one's more likely to be known.

 

And I will make for this MMO the same prediction I made for Star Wars The Old Republic solely based on the toxic and idealistic fanbase it has: Dead or F2P within 2 years, tops.

  DanitaKusor

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7/13/13 10:55:03 AM#354
Any game that isn't B2P or F2P is going to fail in today's gaming market.  People don't want to spend money on subscriptions these days.

The Enlightened take things Lightly

  Chocobro

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7/13/13 10:59:47 AM#355
Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by Chocobro
Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by NetSage
Originally posted by ste2000

OP...............really

FFXIV has nothing innovative, it is a mix between Rift and WAR.

The only thing that could save the game from going F2P in 6 months is the huge FF fanbase..................but greatest MMO since WoW?

Not even close by a Mile................

So what did WoW innovate at launch?  Because, last I checked it was still the most successful mmo ever.  The only thing it had was it did what other mmo's before had but done better.

Innovation != Success; recent games show this more and more.  That's why their f2p.  They tried to innovate but failed to deliver a great game overall.

What WoW had at launch was a unique mish-mash of traits from multiple older MMOs (everquest principal among its inspirations) and a good IP behind it.

What does FFXIV have? Allot "been done already" features and a half-decent IP (which hasn't produced a decent non-MMO game since FFX and arguably FFX-2) plus a dangerous amount of hype.

"half-decent IP"

Your opinion, FF IP is one of the most recognized/loved in the world. You don't get that kind of recognition from a "half-decent IP"  

"(which hasn't produced a decent non-MMO game since FFX and arguably FFX-2)"

Again your opinion. Millions of fans love FF12 (me included) and FF13.

ARR is different. It's unfortunate you can't see it.

 

 

Yes I am sure having incrementally less control over your games is a step up in terms of gaming quality.

ARR is about as different from other MMOs currently on the market as Rift is from WoW and I am being generous here.

Also if you want the most recognized IPs in the world try Star Trek, Star Wars, Warhammer 40.000, etc, Final Fantasy is popular in Asia and some segments of the western culture but if you ask someone from a village in the middle of nowhere who Tifa is and then ask who Picard is I'll let you guess which one's more likely to be known.

 

And I will make for this MMO the same prediction I made for Star Wars The Old Republic solely based on the toxic and idealistic fanbase it has: Dead or F2P within 2 years, tops.

Lol... oh what a spin. Sure bring in star wars and star trek that have decades of history before they even entered the game industry, I thought this was about video game IPs recognized by GAMERS across the world, but hey downplay all you like.

Sometime I wonder if the people who spout the "innovative" mantra play any other genre besides MMOs... since most other games in different genres are basically the same at the core, the only thing that differentiates new games is the story, world, and with their own little spin (if at all) on gameplay. That is what makes games different. What makes them a failure or success is their execution.

Yeah Star Wars failed because of their toxic fanbase. (sarcasm)

  GeezerGamer

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7/13/13 11:10:08 AM#356
Originally posted by DanitaKusor
Any game that isn't B2P or F2P is going to fail in today's gaming market.  People don't want to spend money on subscriptions these days.

I think the reason MMOs in the Post-WoW time fail is not because they chose a P2P business model. But because they didn't match the game to the model.

Most MMOs released after WoW have short life spans. THey have very short time to cap leveling. They have poor long term playability and very little re-playability. Of course sub models will fail. Even WoW is experiencing this loss since they have moved to the fast and easy game it is now.

 

If some of these games would stop trying to re invent the wheel and actually go back to the grass roots of MMORPGs pre-WoW.  and make something that you invest time into instead of trying to make the next action twitch MMO. and if the game is rewarding to play. It can command a subscription.

Playing MMORPGs primarily for "fun" is a new concept. We didn't play MMOs for fun back then. We played for the reward factor. Fun as it's own reward is not sustainable in an environment where content is looped.

I feel that the state of the genre is such that a total and complete failure is needed so it can be reborn anew.
I'm actually hoping this new generation of 8 button MMOs will make that happen.

  DanitaKusor

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7/13/13 11:30:21 AM#357
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by DanitaKusor
Any game that isn't B2P or F2P is going to fail in today's gaming market.  People don't want to spend money on subscriptions these days.

I think the reason MMOs in the Post-WoW time fail is not because they chose a P2P business model. But because they didn't match the game to the model.

Most MMOs released after WoW have short life spans. THey have very short time to cap leveling. They have poor long term playability and very little re-playability. Of course sub models will fail. Even WoW is experiencing this loss since they have moved to the fast and easy game it is now.

 

If some of these games would stop trying to re invent the wheel and actually go back to the grass roots of MMORPGs pre-WoW.  and make something that you invest time into instead of trying to make the next action twitch MMO. and if the game is rewarding to play. It can command a subscription.

Playing MMORPGs primarily for "fun" is a new concept. We didn't play MMOs for fun back then. We played for the reward factor. Fun as it's own reward is not sustainable in an environment where content is looped.

I look at it this way.  People who are still in P2P games are there because they have invested years into those games.  They have friends there and have built up a vast resource base from which to work with.

Moving to a new game where they don't have this is a daunting process, and when the new game doesn't offer much more than their current game in the terms of endgame why stick around. It's easier to go back to their old game.  This is why so many games to challenge WoW have failed over the years.

My personal favourite at the moment is B2P games (GW2, TSW).  I've spent $110 in GW2 and $200 in TSW (Grandmaster) on top of the purchase price and go back to each of them on a regular basis as they release new content.  I'm not bound by the recurring subscription fee and don't stick around long enough to get bored.

The Enlightened take things Lightly

  TwoThreeFour

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7/13/13 11:47:26 AM#358
Think this may be the first time Botrytis and BCBully are on the same side XD?
  SnarkRitter

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7/13/13 12:53:15 PM#359
I keep giggling whenever I see the statement that FF XIV will retain at least 500k subs. One month after launch, yeah probably. 6 months after launch? Based on what I've seen with P2P MMO releases for the past 4 years: Only in the wildest fanboy dream.
  Doogiehowser

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7/13/13 12:56:13 PM#360
Originally posted by SnarkRitter
I keep giggling whenever I see the statement that FF XIV will retain at least 500k subs. One month after launch, yeah probably. 6 months after launch? Based on what I've seen with P2P MMO releases for the past 4 years: Only in the wildest fanboy dream.

I agree with you. This is a lot of wishful thinking about the fans. 

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