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Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn

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  hayes303

Hard Core Member

Joined: 3/13/04
Posts: 358

7/12/13 3:39:42 PM#321

Its a good game, but when WoW launched, it really was a impressive game. Familiarity breeds contempt I guess, but other than EQ1, WoW held my attention longer than any other MMO and I have tried pretty much all of the AAA titles that have came out since 2001.

FF XIV AAR comes out in the post-WoW era where people have way too high of expectations in games. I hope it does well, but I suspect that it will achieve moderate success, like Rift or SWTOR. 

The true beauty of WoW was that you could run that sucker on a shoe box with a tv plugged into it. No matter how crappy your friends computers were, they could still play WoW. 

  Naqaj

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Joined: 7/24/09
Posts: 1681

7/12/13 3:48:45 PM#322
Originally posted by Laughing-man
Originally posted by botrytis
Originally posted by Witten
Originally posted by Laughing-man

Free to play games like STO and SWTOR have tiny little measly content add ons, very rarely.

Look at GW2, no major content update since launch, just silly side events.

If you want a game that can keep a fast paced development, you want a pay to play game, you want FFXIV.

Oh damn! Testify!

Realy GW2 has not had content update? http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Game_updates  I guess the one they just did was chopped liver....

 

Played previous FF games - MEH - nothing exciting to me. If you like it fine, but it is not the savior of the MMO genre like people in this thread think it will be.

Guess you can't read, I said 'no major content update' and yeah, I looked through the page.

Bug fixes, class balancing, and seasonal events.  OH look and some limited run events too.

NOT major content, sorry GW2 fans.

Take your quarterly content updates in a p2p MMO, spread it out over bi-weekly intervals, see where you get more. 

  Laughing-man

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Joined: 4/23/09
Posts: 3373

I thought what I'd do is I'd pretend I was one of those Deaf-mutes.

7/12/13 3:53:05 PM#323
Originally posted by Naqaj
Originally posted by Laughing-man
Originally posted by botrytis
Originally posted by Witten
Originally posted by Laughing-man

Free to play games like STO and SWTOR have tiny little measly content add ons, very rarely.

Look at GW2, no major content update since launch, just silly side events.

If you want a game that can keep a fast paced development, you want a pay to play game, you want FFXIV.

Oh damn! Testify!

Realy GW2 has not had content update? http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Game_updates  I guess the one they just did was chopped liver....

 

Played previous FF games - MEH - nothing exciting to me. If you like it fine, but it is not the savior of the MMO genre like people in this thread think it will be.

Guess you can't read, I said 'no major content update' and yeah, I looked through the page.

Bug fixes, class balancing, and seasonal events.  OH look and some limited run events too.

NOT major content, sorry GW2 fans.

Take your quarterly content updates in a p2p MMO, spread it out over bi-weekly intervals, see where you get more. 

Sure, except I don't see any new zones, raids, or actual content, I just see temporary content, bug fixes and class balancing.

That is not major content.

When RIFT added in an new island with entirely new mechanics?  That's major content.

When WoW has a new raid, with new dailies, and new gear to get, and new pets, that's major content.

When FFXIV in its original state added in new zones, AN ENTIRE ADVANCED JOB SYSTEM, new classes, reworked zones, and added in lots of top end game fights.  That's major content, and they did that while the game was free because they admitted it was botched.

 

"Free" to play games CANNOT offer the same content as Pay to Play ones, it is common sense.

  IfrianMMO

Novice Member

Joined: 8/21/12
Posts: 211

7/12/13 5:40:12 PM#324
I think it will peak at around 350.000 subscribers after a couple months, and then slowly slide down to  a steady 150.000.

  McSire

Apprentice Member

Joined: 5/27/13
Posts: 45

7/12/13 5:46:40 PM#325
FFXIV Won't even be close to WoW for one reason, and that reason is the combat is extremely weightless and slow paced, there's barely any action at all, the only interesting thing about it is the nice job on flashy effects.

  Chrisbox

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Joined: 7/15/10
Posts: 1485

7/12/13 7:45:46 PM#326
Originally posted by Witten
Originally posted by Myrdynn
Originally posted by Chrisbox
Originally posted by pauly6478
They rename Final fantasy to Wildstar? I missed something.

Its funny because, Wildstar will be worse than this game, and this game is already nothing new.  

Yay! More WoW Clones!!!!

+1

You guys keep thinking there will be a super revolutionary MMO.

News flash. Unless it's Virtual Reality, you will continue to see more of the same elements from past MMOs in future MMOs.

You see any flying cars yet? Things don't change so quickly, they evolve.

And yeah, ARR is different. It's unfortunate you can't see it.

You obviously haven't played enough MMO's.  It's rather obvious this industry has degraded by tons from the amount of WoW clones, and the community is sick of it.  I'm sure you'll pick that up the more you spend in games and on this forum.  

Played-Everything
Playing-FFXIV:ARR,AA

  botrytis

Elite Member

Joined: 1/04/05
Posts: 2505

7/12/13 7:53:00 PM#327
Originally posted by Naqaj
Originally posted by Laughing-man
Originally posted by botrytis
Originally posted by Witten
Originally posted by Laughing-man

Free to play games like STO and SWTOR have tiny little measly content add ons, very rarely.

Look at GW2, no major content update since launch, just silly side events.

If you want a game that can keep a fast paced development, you want a pay to play game, you want FFXIV.

Oh damn! Testify!

Realy GW2 has not had content update? http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Game_updates  I guess the one they just did was chopped liver....

 

Played previous FF games - MEH - nothing exciting to me. If you like it fine, but it is not the savior of the MMO genre like people in this thread think it will be.

Guess you can't read, I said 'no major content update' and yeah, I looked through the page.

Bug fixes, class balancing, and seasonal events.  OH look and some limited run events too.

NOT major content, sorry GW2 fans.

Take your quarterly content updates in a p2p MMO, spread it out over bi-weekly intervals, see where you get more. 

Sorry Rift's content was too little too late IMO and I was playing it then. There was so little content in the game is was pathetic. Rift was one of the smallest games ever produced in original form.

"In 50 years, when I talk to my grandchildren about these days, I'll make sure to mention what an accomplished MMO player I was. They are going to be so proud ..."
by Naqaj - 7/17/2013 MMORPG.com forum

  botrytis

Elite Member

Joined: 1/04/05
Posts: 2505

7/12/13 7:53:51 PM#328
Originally posted by Chrisbox
Originally posted by Witten
Originally posted by Myrdynn
Originally posted by Chrisbox
Originally posted by pauly6478
They rename Final fantasy to Wildstar? I missed something.

Its funny because, Wildstar will be worse than this game, and this game is already nothing new.  

Yay! More WoW Clones!!!!

+1

You guys keep thinking there will be a super revolutionary MMO.

News flash. Unless it's Virtual Reality, you will continue to see more of the same elements from past MMOs in future MMOs.

You see any flying cars yet? Things don't change so quickly, they evolve.

And yeah, ARR is different. It's unfortunate you can't see it.

You obviously haven't played enough MMO's.  It's rather obvious this industry has degraded by tons from the amount of WoW clones, and the community is sick of it.  I'm sure you'll pick that up the more you spend in games and on this forum.  

No, you want UO clones and I am happy that era is over.

"In 50 years, when I talk to my grandchildren about these days, I'll make sure to mention what an accomplished MMO player I was. They are going to be so proud ..."
by Naqaj - 7/17/2013 MMORPG.com forum

  Chrisbox

Elite Member

Joined: 7/15/10
Posts: 1485

7/12/13 8:24:48 PM#329
Originally posted by botrytis
Originally posted by Chrisbox
Originally posted by Witten
Originally posted by Myrdynn
Originally posted by Chrisbox
Originally posted by pauly6478
They rename Final fantasy to Wildstar? I missed something.

Its funny because, Wildstar will be worse than this game, and this game is already nothing new.  

Yay! More WoW Clones!!!!

+1

You guys keep thinking there will be a super revolutionary MMO.

News flash. Unless it's Virtual Reality, you will continue to see more of the same elements from past MMOs in future MMOs.

You see any flying cars yet? Things don't change so quickly, they evolve.

And yeah, ARR is different. It's unfortunate you can't see it.

You obviously haven't played enough MMO's.  It's rather obvious this industry has degraded by tons from the amount of WoW clones, and the community is sick of it.  I'm sure you'll pick that up the more you spend in games and on this forum.  

No, you want UO clones and I am happy that era is over.

Me personally, I don't want any clones.  I want something new on the table. 

Played-Everything
Playing-FFXIV:ARR,AA

  Dihoru

Elite Member

Joined: 1/11/06
Posts: 2887

7/13/13 3:39:53 AM#330

If this thread is anything to go by the game will tank...it's a rule I've seen proven time and a again: success = 1/hype.

 

Also to the people who keep saying P2P gets more content updates... continue thinking that, I need less people moaning to turn sandboxes into themeparks.

  megarax

Hard Core Member

Joined: 8/30/07
Posts: 236

7/13/13 3:50:19 AM#331

It's an old fashion MMORPG where you slay monsters, level up, get better gear  and do some crafting. Why is that  so bad? That's how the games were when I started playing mmo's and that's why I'm still playing. It's the genre.  If it's well executed take my money!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  Chocobro

Apprentice Member

Joined: 7/05/13
Posts: 66

7/13/13 3:57:15 AM#332
Originally posted by Chrisbox
Originally posted by botrytis
Originally posted by Chrisbox
Originally posted by Witten
Originally posted by Myrdynn
Originally posted by Chrisbox
Originally posted by pauly6478
They rename Final fantasy to Wildstar? I missed something.

Its funny because, Wildstar will be worse than this game, and this game is already nothing new.  

Yay! More WoW Clones!!!!

+1

You guys keep thinking there will be a super revolutionary MMO.

News flash. Unless it's Virtual Reality, you will continue to see more of the same elements from past MMOs in future MMOs.

You see any flying cars yet? Things don't change so quickly, they evolve.

And yeah, ARR is different. It's unfortunate you can't see it.

You obviously haven't played enough MMO's.  It's rather obvious this industry has degraded by tons from the amount of WoW clones, and the community is sick of it.  I'm sure you'll pick that up the more you spend in games and on this forum.  

No, you want UO clones and I am happy that era is over.

Me personally, I don't want any clones.  I want something new on the table. 

Then I suggest you take a break from MMOs, from the early days of the atari/jaguar all the way up to the this current gen, there have only been a handful of "revolutionary, industry shaking games" that most of the industry (in their respected genre) soon followed that template that the game set forth and have slowly expended on those core ideas over the years creating sub-genres. If you look at these games, they have one thing in common. What was that factor? Hardware, The advancement in hardware allowed developers to expend on new creative ideas and mechanics that where not possible before.  While some took ideas from others and redefine/streamlined them to a level never before seen in their respected industry (notable mention WoW vanilla).  

 

Witten is correct, you're not going to see another "super revolutionary industry shaking MMO" for a long while.

  kabitoshin

Hard Core Member

Joined: 3/16/12
Posts: 688

7/13/13 4:12:43 AM#333
Originally posted by Reserton

What a ridiculous post. ARR will not even get 10% of what WoW has in terms of numbers.

And if referring to the quality of game there has already been a ton of better games then WoW and you would be implying WoW was ever a good game.

The crafting system is not in anyway "deep" it is just long and at times a monotonous process, this will anything but attract people, especially not "WoW" people who will get bored of crafting in a second.

ARR is very likely to be another floptastic mess. Very few people will be willing to put money on the line for what was a disaster.

I don't care if this game attracts "10%" of what WoW has, as long as it survives. I don't want this game to attract "WoW" players, I can't stand what the games community has transformed into. Why do people want MMO's to accumulate the ammount of players WoW had? That just means more complaining and more changes to the game, if they listen. It seems that MMO's were alot better when they weren't trying to appeal to everyone, but y'all think that it will fail if it doesn't do what WoW did.

  Arcticnoon

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Joined: 4/20/13
Posts: 146

 
OP  7/13/13 4:16:34 AM#334
Originally posted by McSire
FFXIV Won't even be close to WoW for one reason, and that reason is the combat is extremely weightless and slow paced, there's barely any action at all, the only interesting thing about it is the nice job on flashy effects.

I've idea what you are talking about. I don't think you do either. I've played WoW, I own a 90 Frost/Blood DK, 85 Ass/ Rogue and a 65 Demon/ Warlock. I've tanked both LK and DW on my DK. I've also played FFXIV in beta 3.

There isn't any "weight or faster pace" to WoW over FFXIV. Yes the GC in FFXIV comes into affect in early lvls, but haste abilities and gear play a huge role in speeding up combat in later lvls. Blood/Frost/Unholy runes only replenish so fast.

Besides WoW combat is so one dimensional it becomes boring. The only class in Wow that relies on position is Rogue. It doesn't matter what kind of fight you are doing your rotation is always the same. damage, damage, damage, don't stand in the fire.

  ZenTaoYingYang

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Joined: 6/23/13
Posts: 301

7/13/13 5:04:00 AM#335

from the director mouth himself he clearly stated he will be happy with 500k subs. V1.0 of the game had more than 100k SUBs with its awful everything, its really easy to assume with an amazing game like this it will reach 500k easily.

 

now to the question will it be a WoW-killer? no way , Yoshi himself also said he is not looking to cater for all but for a niche market audience. He also talked about WoW-Clones and why they fail and thats why if you spend enough time in game , you will notice the big differences between WoW and FFXIV thus the term " Niche ".

 

all in all I hope players stop comparing any MMO to WoW and evaluate it based not on reviews but their enjoyment, having said that I hope whoever plays the game in Open beta to PLEASE wait to pass judgment until you are Lv20+.

  Aldous.Huxley

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Joined: 5/04/13
Posts: 443

7/13/13 6:33:16 AM#336
Of course it will kill WoW. Just the hype of the game alone chipped a million or so subs off WoW subs a month or so ago.
  Doogiehowser

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7/13/13 6:36:37 AM#337
Originally posted by Kleptobrainiac
Of course it will kill WoW. Just the hype of the game alone chipped a million or so subs off WoW subs a month or so ago.

"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
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  ste2000

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7/13/13 6:42:17 AM#338

OP...............really

FFXIV has nothing innovative, it is a mix between Rift and WAR.

The only thing that could save the game from going F2P in 6 months is the huge FF fanbase..................but greatest MMO since WoW?

Not even close by a Mile................

  NetSage

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7/13/13 6:51:19 AM#339
Originally posted by ste2000

OP...............really

FFXIV has nothing innovative, it is a mix between Rift and WAR.

The only thing that could save the game from going F2P in 6 months is the huge FF fanbase..................but greatest MMO since WoW?

Not even close by a Mile................

So what did WoW innovate at launch?  Because, last I checked it was still the most successful mmo ever.  The only thing it had was it did what other mmo's before had but done better.

Innovation != Success; recent games show this more and more.  That's why their f2p.  They tried to innovate but failed to deliver a great game overall.

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7/13/13 7:45:56 AM#340
Originally posted by NetSage
Originally posted by ste2000

OP...............really

FFXIV has nothing innovative, it is a mix between Rift and WAR.

The only thing that could save the game from going F2P in 6 months is the huge FF fanbase..................but greatest MMO since WoW?

Not even close by a Mile................

So what did WoW innovate at launch?  Because, last I checked it was still the most successful mmo ever.  The only thing it had was it did what other mmo's before had but done better.

Innovation != Success; recent games show this more and more.  That's why their f2p.  They tried to innovate but failed to deliver a great game overall.

What WoW had at launch was a unique mish-mash of traits from multiple older MMOs (everquest principal among its inspirations) and a good IP behind it.

What does FFXIV have? Allot "been done already" features and a half-decent IP (which hasn't produced a decent non-MMO game since FFX and arguably FFX-2) plus a dangerous amount of hype.

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