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  lzanon

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Joined: 1/28/10
Posts: 312

7/09/13 6:32:08 PM#21
Originally posted by ZizouX
Originally posted by Ehllfhire
Originally posted by twrule
Originally posted by ZizouX
Originally posted by Ehllfhire
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
Originally posted by Ehllfhire
Originally posted by monkeysoup
I'm just happy to hear that for those individual who got the first Collectors edition doesn't need to buy anything, and will get the new in-game bonuses. new helm, mount head dress for your chocobo, and a cat mount for free.. probably forgot a couple of things but hey.. Thanks again. definitely going to sub when it goes live.

Except you dont get early access like everyone else does. Which is why I ordered from Amazon, got the code for early access then cancelled my order.

Funny and awesome but what do you need early access when you are already level what? 30 to 50?

With what? Im not legacy as I was in no way shape or form a sucker enough to hand SE monery for 1.0 when they charged. Besides legacy suckers getearly access and they are all 50 on every class.

Legacy suckers?  Aside from the fact that legacy players helped finance the remake, maybe you should be more thankful.

It only required that you pay for 3 months worth of subs to become legacy.  

With that said, as a "legacy sucker" I will be paying $10 a month while you pay $13 or $15.  I can make 8 character per server for a total of 40.  You can only make one per server with the $13 option.   You only need one character to do everything, but it doesn't change the fact that you don't have the option should you choose to exercise it.

 

Lastly, I get a choco costume https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQvl6JihzZZWYF8MyrDvi0NoeyXUA14GfqkZZz3Qsa1MHgolhBL you will never get, along with the fact that my 22 million gil will be 2 million gil at launch.

 

For a minimal investment of 3 months of subscription during 1.0, I showed faith in the producer that developed the game that millions apparantly are falling in love with.  

Between the two of us, it's obvious who comes out on top, sucker.

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Those that stayed because we participated in 4 player polls that directed which direction the game should go.  Those that left didn't give a crap about the game, let alone to return and participate.  The players that stayed were the ones that asked for an immersive world, more FF feel, change in combat, change in server structure, new engine etc.  So not only did we financially help the company that we loved based on our childhood experiences playing FF 1 - 12, but also actively particpated in the direction of the game.

 

The game WAS FREE FOR MORE THAN A YEAR.  While we took our character to multiple lvl 50s, we didn't pay a single dime.  The only financial investment on our part was 3 months of paid sub and THAT's ONLY AFTER we saw the changes that YoshiP was making.  All of you "Johny come latelys" get to see how great this game is, but we knew it would end up this way because we saw YoshiP and his team first.  We saw patches that introduced jobs and primal fights.  This was NOT blind, fanboy faith.  It was a calculated return on investment.

 

With $30 investment, I have multiple level 50s and 2 milloin gil as startup money on an mmo I plan for years.  I bought the PS3 collector's edition as a thank you to SE for their work on FFXIV ARR even though I had the digital collector's edition.  I like to reward companies that make mistakes, but who try to fix those mistakes, after repeatedly saying "I'm sorry."  I would not have done the same for a company like EA.

 

You may look down on the "legacy players" for their "blind devotion" but you're completely wrong.  We played a big part in the turnaround of FFXIV.  I personally think you're just jealous that you got on the band wagon a little late.

 

Legacy is nothing more than a "Thank you" to the players that showed faith when people like you had none.  Regardless, most people have no animosity towards legacy players, unlike you.  I think that says more about you than it does about me or the merits of FFXIV.

I would be one of those who saw the game, tried it and walked away. After beta testing it in phase 3 of 2.0 I think i missed out on something grand. More in what a company should do. Show loyalty to its costumers. Yes in the end they are in for the money  but to see the dramatic changes done from 1.0 to 2.0 and hearing how some of the patches of 1.0 made it a much better experience for those who played. it, heck now finding out it was not months but more than a year that the game was free. how can you be pissed off at a company like this. They took a big financial hit here and didnt just patch up a game, remade the game. 

I did read one interview how Yoshi P. did state that they were adding some stuff from ff13 and that future stuff will be added for the fans as time goes by, but they do not plan on charging for it but letting the players earn it. They do not plan to go blizzard and make something and slap it in a store while charging a monthly fee.  I did like to hear how they denied microsoft  ff14 because of their policies of wanting their server seperate from the rest. when Yoshi P.s vision is that all the players of ff14 can play together regardless of platform and until microsoft changes their policies the answer will be no.

Good you stuck up for the game and now you are reaping the rewards for showing your loyalty. who knows maybe one day we might meet in the duty finder ^.^

  twrule

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Joined: 7/15/09
Posts: 1260

7/09/13 7:01:33 PM#22

Originally posted by drivendawn

Well I agree with him. Please do tell how he is wrong.

Lol, alright, I'll play along.

Originally posted by ZizouX

Legacy suckers?  Aside from the fact that legacy players helped finance the remake, maybe you should be more thankful.

It only required that you pay for 3 months worth of subs to become legacy.  

With that said, as a "legacy sucker" I will be paying $10 a month while you pay $13 or $15.  I can make 8 character per server for a total of 40.  You can only make one per server with the $13 option.   You only need one character to do everything, but it doesn't change the fact that you don't have the option should you choose to exercise it.

 Darn, I can't make use of a superfluous option. It'll take some time for you to break even on box price and those three months of subs when only saving 3 bucks a month over everyone else; but I suppose if you play for quite awhile, you can save a few bucks - good for you. I am not buying for a second that you had clairvoyance to see that SE would offer that discount though.

Lastly, I get a choco costume https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQvl6JihzZZWYF8MyrDvi0NoeyXUA14GfqkZZz3Qsa1MHgolhBL you will never get, along with the fact that my 22 million gil will be 2 million gil at launch.

 Whoopdee-freakin'-doo. Who cares. I'd rather roll on a non-legacy server so I don't have to deal with the unbalanced economy that will result from all that gil in everyone's pockets. Don't care about costumes.

For a minimal investment of 3 months of subscription during 1.0, I showed faith in the producer that developed the game that millions apparantly are falling in love with.

Faith? SE is a huge world-famous multinational company, not a little indy outfit that was about to croak. Usually they make quality games, for 1.0 they choked. People tend not to buy bad products. It was never a question of whether they would ever make a successful game again. Kudos to them for scrapping the crap and remaking the game from the ground up. I don't see where you deserve credit for their move - they were going to do this whether you paid or not. 

Between the two of us, it's obvious who comes out on top, sucker.

Lmao. Yes, we are all so embarassed for not wasting our time and money on a crap product, and instead waiting for them to come out with something better. Boy is the egg on our faces for not spending a single regretted dollar and reaping all the benefits...

Many people paid for the pile of crap.  That's not the issue.  The issue is those that stayed vs. those that left.

Most of us with sense played open beta, saw it was crap, and didn't buy - so we didn't 'leave' - we were never 'there'.

Those that stayed because we participated in 4 player polls that directed which direction the game should go.  Those that left didn't give a crap about the game, let alone to return and participate.  The players that stayed were the ones that asked for an immersive world, more FF feel, change in combat, change in server structure, new engine etc.  So not only did we financially help the company that we loved based on our childhood experiences playing FF 1 - 12, but also actively particpated in the direction of the game.

It seems you want a cookie or something? People gave a crap, they went out and LOUDLY complained all over the internet - enough feedback to give more than enough for SE to go off of  - and then they left because it was not worth their time. Pats on the back for your help in making it a better game, but don't get all holier-than-thou, thanks. Also, nostalgia is a terrible reason to fund a company; that has 'sucker' written all over it.

The game WAS FREE FOR MORE THAN A YEAR.  While we took our character to multiple lvl 50s, we didn't pay a single dime.  The only financial investment on our part was 3 months of paid sub and THAT's ONLY AFTER we saw the changes that YoshiP was making.  All of you "Johny come latelys" get to see how great this game is, but we knew it would end up this way because we saw YoshiP and his team first.  We saw patches that introduced jobs and primal fights.  This was NOT blind, fanboy faith.  It was a calculated return on investment.

The original point of contention was that you bought the box even after seeing how it was in open beta - nice try at changing the subject though. And again, all hail your superhuman foresight.

With $30 investment, I have multiple level 50s and 2 milloin gil as startup money on an mmo I plan for years.  I bought the PS3 collector's edition as a thank you to SE for their work on FFXIV ARR even though I had the digital collector's edition.  I like to reward companies that make mistakes, but who try to fix those mistakes, after repeatedly saying "I'm sorry."  I would not have done the same for a company like EA.

It's quaint that you would like to treat corporations like preschool children who deserve an extra snack if they cleaned up after naptime, but I'm afraid your sentiment will be lost in translation somewhere along the line. SE likes your money, the company doesn't recognize that it came from *you*, or that it came with a thumbs up attached.

You may look down on the "legacy players" for their "blind devotion" but you're completely wrong.  We played a big part in the turnaround of FFXIV.  I personally think you're just jealous that you got on the band wagon a little late.

No one is looking down on legacy players - we're making fun of *you* in particular. I doubt most legacy players imagine themselves somehow superior for having paid for a product that didn't immediately live up to their expectations. And yes, you got us - we're totally jealous that you paid money for a game we didn't want, but you did.

Legacy is nothing more than a "Thank you" to the players that showed faith when people like you had none.  Regardless, most people have no animosity towards legacy players, unlike you.  I think that says more about you than it does about me or the merits of FFXIV.

It's a 'thank you' that began as an apology. They recognized they totally screwed you by having you buy an incomplete product, and they wanted to make it up to you. If anything it's as much a 'thank you' for not flipping out and swearing off all future SE products; which the rest of us didn't do either obviously. There was never a question of 'having faith'. Again, I'll repeat - I buy products I want, not ones I don't (if I can help it). Welcome to capitalist society.

I promise you that you will rarely, if ever, have to endure 'animosity' from others for being a legacy player as long as you don't lord the fact that you stuck with the game since 1.0 over their heads.

How's that?

  ZizouX

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Joined: 5/17/11
Posts: 657

7/09/13 8:25:39 PM#23

@twrule.

 

Holy crap.. how jaded and entitled can someone be.  You must have been dumped by your MMO of choice to become so disenfranchised.  I backed SE because they are a very happy part of my childhood.  The money I paid for the games were well worth the price of the games itself.  First time beating Sephiroth, getting all of the cards from FFVIII's card game, getting Wakka's final ability by winning the Blitzball minigame, etc etc.  Based on its history, SE deserved the benefit of the doubt and it didn't hurt me one bit financially to play a game that was FREE for more than a year.  Plus, i stayed mostly because my linkshell was a really good group of guys.  We stayed cause the game got better and better and there was reason to beleive it was getting turned around.  So yes, our experience dictated our hope for the future... it wasn't blind faith.

 

Now.... I won't respond to your post, point by point because it's a waste... i'll only spend time on the factual inaccuracies.

 

-When SE came up with the LEgacy campain, they told you in advance that if you supported their efforts for 3 months, you would be rewarded.  They advertised it and sent emails to anyone and everyone to give them the opportunity.

 

-They offered legacy status only AFTER the game was in a very playable, and enjoyable state.  It was AFTER the jobs and primal battles were introduced.  It was only AFTER they felt that the content that was available justified a reduced price.  It was only $10 a month.

 

-SE "choked" on FFXIV because they had unwaivering faith in TAnaka, who created games like game designed FF2, FF3, produced Xenogears, CHRONO CROSS and Final Fantasy 11.  Final Fantasy 11 is still going strong 11 years later.  IT's been p2p the whole time and the most financially successful FF of all time.  So relying on him was a mistake, but only in retrospect.

 

-Once the game bombed, SE apologized profusely.  Made the game free and redesigned the entire game.  People who previously bought FFXIV don't have to pay for it again.  You get a month free.  If you bought the previous CE, you get to keep all of your previous bonus items and get some more, FOR FREE.

 

-You said that it was the people who left who "screamed" loudly that the game sucked and magically SE figured out what to do and FFXIV ARR became what it is because of the people that left.  Holy crap are you delusional.  Why don't you go back and look at the results of the Player Polls before FFXIV was redesigned.  You will see that those questions that got a clear majority of support were incorporated into the game.  FFXIV ARR is the combined vision of the community that stayed with YoshiPs experience/leadership.  Get over yourself.  FFXIV ARR is what it DESPITE people like you, not because of your shouting of how bad it was in 1.0.

 

-You say that "It's quaint that you would like to treat corporations like preschool children who deserve an extra snack if they cleaned up after naptime, but I'm afraid your sentiment will be lost in translation somewhere along the line. SE likes your money, the company doesn't recognize that it came from *you*, or that it came with a thumbs up attached." Lol.  Maybe this didn't occur to you, but consumers speak and have their voice heard with where they CHOOSE to spend the money.  If you, or me, or anyone else doesn't support a company like SE which said "SORRY," and then provided you with a product for FREEE.  How does your theory work when the PC regular download version of FFXIV  is less than $30, which is HALF the cost of other AAA mmos.  How is it that SE's P2P model is $10 for Legacy and $13 for regular, which is LESS THAN THE industry standard for P2P games (WoW, Rift [when it was P2P]).  I guess your vision of a "good company" is a game that is F2P with a cash shop that charges you $5 for bags, and $10 for each new raid they offer.    No sir, YOU SPEAK WITH YOUR MONEY.  I am happy to buy things from a company that admits its mistake and treats its loyal customers with respect.  You are in the minority on this one.  Universally, SE is praised for the approach they took with FFXIV.... They could have closed it down, or done what every other P2P comany does,  convert it to F2P and rip off their fan base with nickle and dime content (SWTOR, AION, TERA, etc.).

 

Lastly, don't presume to know why I played FFXIV 1.0.  I stopped playing for 6 months and came back when I saw everything was turning around.  I came back when SE's initial lip service was actually becoming a sincere reality.   I came back because the changes spoke for themselves.  So yes, I take pride in supporting a company that did the right thing.  I'm proud to call myself a Legacy player and most people I met are happy that Legacy players helped make the game become what it is.

  Yaevindusk

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7/09/13 8:59:32 PM#24
Originally posted by twrule

Originally posted by drivendawn

Well I agree with him. Please do tell how he is wrong.

Lol, alright, I'll play along.

Allow me to add in my own thoughts on the matter.  :)

Originally posted by ZizouX

Legacy suckers?  Aside from the fact that legacy players helped finance the remake, maybe you should be more thankful.

It only required that you pay for 3 months worth of subs to become legacy.  

With that said, as a "legacy sucker" I will be paying $10 a month while you pay $13 or $15.  I can make 8 character per server for a total of 40.  You can only make one per server with the $13 option.   You only need one character to do everything, but it doesn't change the fact that you don't have the option should you choose to exercise it.

 Darn, I can't make use of a superfluous option. It'll take some time for you to break even on box price and those three months of subs when only saving 3 bucks a month over everyone else; but I suppose if you play for quite awhile, you can save a few bucks - good for you. I am not buying for a second that you had clairvoyance to see that SE would offer that discount though.

They actually stated the benefits one would get from Legacy the moment they announced it.  Many in fact saw this and only then bought the box / took advantage of it so that they could get the unique chocobo, the half off subscription price, the Goobbue mount and other features.  I personally bought the box when it was $9 and played it for a few months while it was free.  Then I quit for a few months only to come back in the last three months to claim legacy and max out crafting.  Though aside from that, I stayed in the community and participated in the many polls as well as reading all the letters from the producer.  Personally, I kept up on the times, gave input when it was asked, and only spent about $30 in subscription fees.  So I wouldn't call that blind faith myself (despite you saying in the further post that you're only talking about the one person in question and not all Legacy players).

Lastly, I get a choco costume https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQvl6JihzZZWYF8MyrDvi0NoeyXUA14GfqkZZz3Qsa1MHgolhBL you will never get, along with the fact that my 22 million gil will be 2 million gil at launch.

 Whoopdee-freakin'-doo. Who cares. I'd rather roll on a non-legacy server so I don't have to deal with the unbalanced economy that will result from all that gil in everyone's pockets. Don't care about costumes.

Legit assertion on a personal degree but baseless rhetoric in the grand scheme of things.  Many do care about costumes.  Honestly would like what you said to be the rule rather than the exception, as maybe people would stop whining on the forums every ten minutes about Legacy specials.

For a minimal investment of 3 months of subscription during 1.0, I showed faith in the producer that developed the game that millions apparantly are falling in love with.

Faith? SE is a huge world-famous multinational company, not a little indy outfit that was about to croak. Usually they make quality games, for 1.0 they choked. People tend not to buy bad products. It was never a question of whether they would ever make a successful game again. Kudos to them for scrapping the crap and remaking the game from the ground up. I don't see where you deserve credit for their move - they were going to do this whether you paid or not. 

This is again a matter of perspective that brings up a good point about SE and Brand names.  Though as a whole there have been many posts on here and around the web that MMOs don't get second chances; that once you fail, there is no way you can make a comeback.  Indeed, there are few games that can claim they have done such to such a potent degree as FFXIV 1.0 needed.  You're right in saying that it wasn't a quesiton if they would make a successful game again, but getting back to the point -- and not gliding towards a new topic as a whole with regards to citing general gaming as opposed to the real issue  just to try and prove a point -- it was a question if they could earn the trust of the MMO community back by making a quality MMO within the FFXIV universe.  It's as you say and people tend not to buy a bad product, and investing time and or money of any caliber when both the public and history was against them is faith.  In some cases it might've well been blind faith, or fanboy faith, but for people such as myself I saw it an investment and read every bit regarding their plans, took part in the polls to have a voice, and only then decided to help them halfway into the Legacy campaign.

 

Between the two of us, it's obvious who comes out on top, sucker.

Lmao. Yes, we are all so embarassed for not wasting our time and money on a crap product, and instead waiting for them to come out with something better. Boy is the egg on our faces for not spending a single regretted dollar and reaping all the benefits...

Many people paid for the pile of crap.  That's not the issue.  The issue is those that stayed vs. those that left.

Most of us with sense played open beta, saw it was crap, and didn't buy - so we didn't 'leave' - we were never 'there'.

Those that stayed because we participated in 4 player polls that directed which direction the game should go.  Those that left didn't give a crap about the game, let alone to return and participate.  The players that stayed were the ones that asked for an immersive world, more FF feel, change in combat, change in server structure, new engine etc.  So not only did we financially help the company that we loved based on our childhood experiences playing FF 1 - 12, but also actively particpated in the direction of the game.

It seems you want a cookie or something? People gave a crap, they went out and LOUDLY complained all over the internet - enough feedback to give more than enough for SE to go off of  - and then they left because it was not worth their time. Pats on the back for your help in making it a better game, but don't get all holier-than-thou, thanks. Also, nostalgia is a terrible reason to fund a company; that has 'sucker' written all over it.

One has to understand the nature of these polls, when they started and how often they occurred to really (in my mind) have the authority (using authority in a scholastic sense and not a "I'm better than you" one; I.E. the foremost authority in his field due to his exposure to such) to comment on the usefulness of FFXIV's community back in the day.  They went in tandem with letters from the producers -- which for the most part kept on thanking their community that stuck with them and that they gave him encouragement in going on -- as everything was happening.  It could be said of any community whenever a game falls on hard times that the fanbase help perk developers up.  But there was one letter in particular that really struck me.  The producer director quoted a letter he received from a NA fan to thank him personally for the kind words and encouragement he showed.  These became common place, and many of the polls they started -- as well as threads they started for feedback -- were reflected in the patches of 1.0 as well as implemented in A Realm Reborn.  In fact, their first experiments were in 1.0 to be tested and improved on before going to A Realm Reborn.  The Job system is one such thing, as is auto attack and the Grand / Free Companies and their storylines.  The majority of the information and complaints that they initially received only stretched as far as bringing in a new team to work on the game and fix a few things such as taking away the fatigue meter before they started asking their active community on the type of game they would like to play (what they should also focus on first and what's most important to them and in the western MMOs).  The contributions of these people should not be discounted, but neither should the direction of the Producer Director who has experience in playing such games.  Quite honestly, I don't think the game would be half as good as it is now without their community helping them -- especially during the Alpha phase when all Legacy members were invited to partake and give their feedback; Yoshi-P said himself on many an occassion that "it was important to see if the old players like the game before going forward" with their feedback, the next step was to make sure that new players enjoyed it during beta.  Heck, even the materia system -- introduced late in 1.0 -- has gone through massive transformation as well as the Artifact Armor and how to acquire it.  With regards to the "holier than thou" comment, it is a matter of perception.  Perhaps if someone just flat out stated superiority without provocation, but someone very clearly called out a certain group as "suckers".  Defending oneself with their experience and events that have come to pass does not a high horse make.

The game WAS FREE FOR MORE THAN A YEAR.  While we took our character to multiple lvl 50s, we didn't pay a single dime.  The only financial investment on our part was 3 months of paid sub and THAT's ONLY AFTER we saw the changes that YoshiP was making.  All of you "Johny come latelys" get to see how great this game is, but we knew it would end up this way because we saw YoshiP and his team first.  We saw patches that introduced jobs and primal fights.  This was NOT blind, fanboy faith.  It was a calculated return on investment.

The original point of contention was that you bought the box even after seeing how it was in open beta - nice try at changing the subject though. And again, all hail your superhuman foresight.

Yet your future writing says that you buy games that you personally enjoy and imply that no one can tell you otherwise.  There is no superhuman foresight if one actually educated themselves to what was going on; read the statement about legacy and what they will get, read all the letters from the producer when they're out, watch videos that are released, observe how content is released and what is contained in patches... etc.  The game was progressing marvelously in the first version even with a crappy engine.  Being "ignorant to the scene" (as a matter of phrase) does not permit the implication that someone has to be superhumanly psychic to have predicted a very likely outcome or (in the case of legacy) something that was plainly written out for them.  If people enjoyed the game (which it turned into a solid one after time), then they bought it despite it being the "cool" thing to do by people who just stopped caring (by that I mean not even bothering reading updates or letters from the producer or what they were doing to feasibly give proper insight) in just bashing it or laughing at someone who said they played the game.  The only thing I don't really agree with with regards to the comment you responded to is that there was no admittance to the potentiality of failure.  Knowing through information, evidence and gut feelings is not the same as knowing for sure when you speak of calculated investments.  Though this may be the point you were trying to make, even if it wasn't articulated in the best way possible (still disagree with the superhuman remark, as they disregards the possibility of real assertions by way of educated guesses and probabilities based on evidence and knowledge; in addition -- and although slightly off topics at the time -- you yourself said that SE was a good company who was bound to make great games again.  This only adds to the validity of this future point.

With $30 investment, I have multiple level 50s and 2 milloin gil as startup money on an mmo I plan for years.  I bought the PS3 collector's edition as a thank you to SE for their work on FFXIV ARR even though I had the digital collector's edition.  I like to reward companies that make mistakes, but who try to fix those mistakes, after repeatedly saying "I'm sorry."  I would not have done the same for a company like EA.

It's quaint that you would like to treat corporations like preschool children who deserve an extra snack if they cleaned up after naptime, but I'm afraid your sentiment will be lost in translation somewhere along the line. SE likes your money, the company doesn't recognize that it came from *you*, or that it came with a thumbs up attached.

This just seems more like that "high horse" syndrome that you were claiming another to have not too long ago.  Perhaps it is they way it was articulated.  Though trivializing something by saying another treats something in child-like way is not the best of ways to try and prove a point in my opinion.  Some companies are just more honest and open than others.  Those who take the time to analyze sales tactics, statements, etc. will see this clearly.  The fallacy of simply saying "they're companies, they only like money" is that while that's the core goal of every business, it isn't applicable for every situation.  How employees are treated (The Great Fire of Boston / Nintendo Refuses to Layoff workers / Staff member says Valve isn't a great place to work), how customers are treated (Xbox one fiasco, EA, Sega abusing youtube rights, Blizzard slapping PC fans in the face with offline/no AH D3 and giving $99 collectors edition items for free to console players), pricing and other degrees are considered by many.  Some get more attention than others thanks to youtube and reddit.  There is something that's more valuable to money to companies when thinking business.  This is called Consumer Trust and respect; this is a currency that is nearly inexhaustible and helps ensure that products are sold.  Some companies do not need it, as once you get too big -- and make good products -- you can pretty much get away with anything.  But it is a currency that, if you don't have enough of, can come back and bite you in the rear.  This is why many companies have changed their name and image over the years (one furniture company comes to mind).  Their product or brand has been associated with too many bad things.  When it comes to companies that are too big, people just won't care.  That's what I think you were trying to relay.  But to a lot of people, the way they are treated (or the illusion of being treated well) is paramount to being a loyal customer.  There are still quite a bit of us left, and I'd say that Final Fantasy MMOs in general tend to cater to that crowd as they usually have fairly good and nice communities to be a part of.  In a recent interview, Yoshi-P was asked what they owe to the sudden interest in their game.  In so many words, he said their community.  The people who stuck with them, and who tell their friends and who post of facebook and twitter and on forums that the game has changed for the better.  While one may be faceless to the crowd, SE has showed ample humility in the past few years and do recognize players as a whole.  He even said the main reason of announcing the PS4 alongside the PS3 (despite people saying it was a bad idea as it might make PS3 versions sell less) was so that people would have a choice.  If they want to wait for the PS4 version, he wanted to give them that option despite the loss of an initial sale and not feel betrayed that a new version will be coming out six months later that performed better.

You may look down on the "legacy players" for their "blind devotion" but you're completely wrong.  We played a big part in the turnaround of FFXIV.  I personally think you're just jealous that you got on the band wagon a little late.

No one is looking down on legacy players - we're making fun of *you* in particular. I doubt most legacy players imagine themselves somehow superior for having paid for a product that didn't immediately live up to their expectations. And yes, you got us - we're totally jealous that you paid money for a game we didn't want, but you did.

Kind've off point and I don't really concur with the singling out that was done here in saying people are laughing at a person in general.  This kind've makes me question if you legitimately researched this topic before writing as quoting this part of his post just doesn't seem indicative of a proper retort back by something valuable to say.  :(

Legacy is nothing more than a "Thank you" to the players that showed faith when people like you had none.  Regardless, most people have no animosity towards legacy players, unlike you.  I think that says more about you than it does about me or the merits of FFXIV.

It's a 'thank you' that began as an apology. They recognized they totally screwed you by having you buy an incomplete product, and they wanted to make it up to you. If anything it's as much a 'thank you' for not flipping out and swearing off all future SE products; which the rest of us didn't do either obviously. There was never a question of 'having faith'. Again, I'll repeat - I buy products I want, not ones I don't (if I can help it). Welcome to capitalist society.

I promise you that you will rarely, if ever, have to endure 'animosity' from others for being a legacy player as long as you don't lord the fact that you stuck with the game since 1.0 over their heads.

How's that?

Thank you for your thoughts on the matter.

With regards to the whole "investment " thing.  This is something that is not new to this genre.  Back in the days of Ultima Online, many people viewed playing that game as an investment.  You could sell accounts for tens of thousands easily; the real estate also had significant value in game.  Though this is just to supplement what I talked about in the above and I felt that it had no place being up there as it's irrelevant to the topic at hand.

Also, while I assert that I have experience and had ample exposure to reading articles and letters related to this topic, it does not mean that I think my view points are the definitive end point.  They are just opinions that I've come up with with all the knowledge that I have obtained throughout the years with regards to these subjects as a whole.  As such, they could be completely wrong or only one side of a topic that could stretch out to multiple facets and points.

 

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  twrule

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7/09/13 9:02:44 PM#25
Originally posted by ZizouX

@twrule.

Holy crap.. how jaded and entitled can someone be.  You must have been dumped by your MMO of choice to become so disenfranchised.  I backed SE because they are a very happy part of my childhood.  The money I paid for the games were well worth the price of the games itself.  First time beating Sephiroth, getting all of the cards from FFVIII's card game, getting Wakka's final ability by winning the Blitzball minigame, etc etc.  Based on its history, SE deserved the benefit of the doubt and it didn't hurt me one bit financially to play a game that was FREE for more than a year.  Plus, i stayed mostly because my linkshell was a really good group of guys.  We stayed cause the game got better and better and there was reason to beleive it was getting turned around.  So yes, our experience dictated our hope for the future... it wasn't blind faith.

Lol. I took a sarcastic tone because I found it amusing to do so in making fun of your self-important attitude, not because I am 'jaded' or 'entitled'; feel free to make up more that you think you know about me though.

I enjoyed the older FF games as much as anyone, but that alone is not a reason to give SE money when they are not offering a product that meets their own standards of quality, as they admitted. You had additional personal reasons for doing so (your LS) and that's fine, I am not faulting you for that.

You paid to reserve a copy of the original game, did you not? Not free, that. I could be wrong - I didn't study what it took to be a legacy player - but my understanding is that you had to pay for a preorder, no?

I never said anything about blind faith, btw - that might have been the other poster. I disagree with any view that speaks of 'supporting' companies out of one's own generosity and then turning around to flaunt that fact in others faces as though it made one somehow morally superior. That's the vibe we're getting from you.

-When SE came up with the LEgacy campain, they told you in advance that if you supported their efforts for 3 months, you would be rewarded.  They advertised it and sent emails to anyone and everyone to give them the opportunity.

Okay...'you will be rewarded' is pretty vague for you to be calling it an 'investment', but alright. All this after you paid for the price of the game, if I'm not mistaken?

-They offered legacy status only AFTER the game was in a very playable, and enjoyable state.  It was AFTER the jobs and primal battles were introduced.  It was only AFTER they felt that the content that was available justified a reduced price.  It was only $10 a month.

 Okay...not seeing your point here, least of all how it gives you bragging rights.

-SE "choked" on FFXIV because they had unwaivering faith in TAnaka, who created games like game designed FF2, FF3, produced Xenogears, CHRONO CROSS and Final Fantasy 11.  Final Fantasy 11 is still going strong 11 years later.  IT's been p2p the whole time and the most financially successful FF of all time.  So relying on him was a mistake, but only in retrospect.

 By 'choked', I meant someone who usually does well messed up. Like a pro athlete 'chokes'. I never held it against SE or Tanaka; I just didn't want to play what they offered, so I didn't pay. It's that simple.

-Once the game bombed, SE apologized profusely.  Made the game free and redesigned the entire game.  People who previously bought FFXIV don't have to pay for it again.  You get a month free.  If you bought the previous CE, you get to keep all of your previous bonus items and get some more, FOR FREE.

 None of this is news to me, and I am pretty sure I acknowledged that they were apologetic and made up for it in my original post. Not sure what your point is, again.

-You said that it was the people who left who "screamed" loudly that the game sucked and magically SE figured out what to do and FFXIV ARR became what it is because of the people that left.  Holy crap are you delusional.  Why don't you go back and look at the results of the Player Polls before FFXIV was redesigned.  You will see that those questions that got a clear majority of support were incorporated into the game.  FFXIV ARR is the combined vision of the community that stayed with YoshiPs experience/leadership.  Get over yourself.  FFXIV ARR is what it DESPITE people like you, not because of your shouting of how bad it was in 1.0.

 I didn't mean to imply that SE solely used forum complaint feedback as their guide for 2.0, but they sure as hell didn't rely purely on these 'polls' you keep talking about and are so proud of taking. They relied on multiple sources of market research; both of those sources among them, I'm sure. If you are trying to take substantial credit for the state of the game now, *you* are the delusional one.

"People like me" lol. I never said I was among the people complaining. I just didn't buy - that's it. "Despite"? So all that feedback from unhappy 1.0 players somehow hampered their making a better game. Right. Nope, it was all you legacy players. "Get over myself" indeed.

-You say that "It's quaint that you would like to treat corporations like preschool children who deserve an extra snack if they cleaned up after naptime, but I'm afraid your sentiment will be lost in translation somewhere along the line. SE likes your money, the company doesn't recognize that it came from *you*, or that it came with a thumbs up attached." Lol.  Maybe this didn't occur to you, but consumers speak and have their voice heard with where they CHOOSE to spend the money.  If you, or me, or anyone else doesn't support a company like SE which said "SORRY," and then provided you with a product for FREEE.  How does your theory work when the PC regular download version of FFXIV  is less than $30, which is HALF the cost of other AAA mmos.  How is it that SE's P2P model is $10 for Legacy and $13 for regular, which is LESS THAN THE industry standard for P2P games (WoW, Rift [when it was P2P]).  I guess your vision of a "good company" is a game that is F2P with a cash shop that charges you $5 for bags, and $10 for each new raid they offer.    No sir, YOU SPEAK WITH YOUR MONEY.  I am happy to buy things from a company that admits its mistake and treats its loyal customers with respect.  You are in the minority on this one.  Universally, SE is praised for the approach they took with FFXIV.... They could have closed it down, or done what every other P2P comany does,  convert it to F2P and rip off their fan base with nickle and dime content (SWTOR, AION, TERA, etc.).

 Not even sure what you're on about here. I also spoke with my wallet by not buying. What you don't get is that paying when a company offers a product at most communicates that you like the product - it does not communicate anything about how endeared to the company you are. You are just a number to SE, the rest is PR talk; get over it.

I admitted that it was a good move for SE to do what it did. I don't feel a personal connection with a company because of that. The latter type of thinking is not healthy.

I'm not sure what 'minority' I'm in here, or what F2P has to do with any of this.

Lastly, don't presume to know why I played FFXIV 1.0.  I stopped playing for 6 months and came back when I saw everything was turning around.  I came back when SE's initial lip service was actually becoming a sincere reality.   I came back because the changes spoke for themselves.  So yes, I take pride in supporting a company that did the right thing.  I'm proud to call myself a Legacy player and most people I met are happy that Legacy players helped make the game become what it is.

I don't recall presuming any such thing. But that's great that you are proud of yourself. Just contain the smug around the rest of us is all I ask.

 

  KingAlkaiser

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7/09/13 9:19:43 PM#26

lmao dam some of the guys here are extremely butthurt, ZizouX and that other guy white knighting the crap out of SE is hilarious and quite frankly amusing to read.

 

you guys need to get over legacy status,etc no one was hatting but you guys sound like if SE is god or something.  I also played all Squaresoft games but i also refuse to pay for a incomplete game/aka beta game and agree with a lot of what was said.

  twrule

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7/09/13 9:26:20 PM#27
Originally posted by Yaevindusk

 -snip-

I am willing to admit that I don't well know all the facts surrounding the legacy situation, as I did not take part in it. I'll just say this to clarify my general point for everyone (so as not single anyone out):

No matter how much any legacy player contributed to the development of the game, it gives none of them the right to self-importantly lord it over the heads of others. My post was a reaction to the "You should be grateful" rhetoric of the earlier posts.

Some purchased the game, some didn't. Some spent time on it, some chose not to. No one is obliged to pander to anyone else here. That's all there is to it.

  Yaevindusk

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7/09/13 9:36:08 PM#28
Originally posted by twrule
Originally posted by Yaevindusk

 -snip-

I am willing to admit that I don't well know all the facts surrounding the legacy situation, as I did not take part in it. I'll just say this to clarify my general point for everyone (so as not single anyone out):

No matter how much any legacy player contributed to the development of the game, it gives none of them the right to self-importantly lord it over the heads of others. My post was a reaction to the "You should be grateful" rhetoric of the earlier posts.

Some purchased the game, some didn't. Some spent time on it, some chose not to. No one is obliged to pander to anyone else here. That's all there is to it.

 

Fair enough assertion right there.  We're all gamers, and in game we'll all be the same gamers, only with a (hopefully) cooperative tendency.  :)

 

Though one thing I would like to say -- so as to not excuse an outburst, but the general legacy crowd -- is that most of these people were used to a very close and nice community.  They started to get attacked on the Beta forums by people who really were jealous.  Not knowing how to deal with this, they simply defended themselves.  Most of the time whenever they bring up stuff like this, is stems from a provocation that otherwise wouldn't afford them a reason to.

 

Some of the stuff on the forums were pretty brutal.  People saying if they ever saw a legacy in game, instantly kick them out of a party.  Demanding SE take away all priviledges from Legacy members, etc.  It's hard not to defend oneself when backed into a corner.  All they did, after all, is play a game they most likely enjoyed playing with people they enjoyed playing with.  Though they are treated like they have the plague by certain individuals.

 

That all may translate over here whenever someone attacks legacy members as a whole (I.e. saying they're suckers).  It may not be handled in the best way, but there is a reason to the insanity.  It may even translate into a lack of faith in SE if they feel the need to defend themselves.  That so many outbursts may convince SE to dump legacy status.  Though again, they are from a multi-national culture that has been almost impossibly polite and most simply didn't know how to deal with personal attacks.  It's the only defense mechanism they have.

 

Most legacy members are incredibly nice in game and even on the forums.  Though still, some say even these people act all high an mighty just because they're always so nice and they learned not to let things get to them.

 

Here's a nice legacy website that's welcoming to everyone:

http://www.ffxiv-roleplayers.com/

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  GeezerGamer

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7/09/13 11:13:32 PM#29
 

Did I miss a memo somewhere or is it really as simple as:

I'm not a legacy player so I can't roll on a legacy server and if you are a legacy player, you can't roll on a non-legacy server?

So, what's the big deal? I don't see the issue.

I feel that the state of the genre is such that a total and complete failure is needed so it can be reborn anew.
I'm actually hoping this new generation of 8 button MMOs will make that happen.

  ZizouX

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7/09/13 11:47:35 PM#30
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
 

Did I miss a memo somewhere or is it really as simple as:

I'm not a legacy player so I can't roll on a legacy server and if you are a legacy player, you can't roll on a non-legacy server?

So, what's the big deal? I don't see the issue.

Non legacy can roll on a legacy server.  Legacy cannot role on a nonlegacy server until 6 months down the road when server transfers are available.

 

There is a compelling argument to be made for people who enjoy raiding and a stable economy to join a legacy server.  Many friends and family who decided not to play FFXIV 1.0 (and for good reason) will be rolling on legacy servers to be with their friends and family.

  GeezerGamer

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7/10/13 12:48:04 AM#31
Originally posted by ZizouX
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
 

Did I miss a memo somewhere or is it really as simple as:

I'm not a legacy player so I can't roll on a legacy server and if you are a legacy player, you can't roll on a non-legacy server?

So, what's the big deal? I don't see the issue.

Non legacy can roll on a legacy server.  Legacy cannot role on a nonlegacy server until 6 months down the road when server transfers are available.

 

There is a compelling argument to be made for people who enjoy raiding and a stable economy to join a legacy server.  Many friends and family who decided not to play FFXIV 1.0 (and for good reason) will be rolling on legacy servers to be with their friends and family.

OK, but it's all still by choice right? Meaning. As a non legacy gamer, I can chose a realm where everyone starts fresh, or I can chose a realm where some are already established?

I feel that the state of the genre is such that a total and complete failure is needed so it can be reborn anew.
I'm actually hoping this new generation of 8 button MMOs will make that happen.

  IfrianMMO

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7/10/13 1:00:15 AM#32

All these complaints against Legacy players can easily be reduced to:

"I am jealous they get to keep some stuff after having been loyal to the old FF14 while i have to start from 0"

 

And while i can (partly) relate to that "jealousy" (I would sure love to start with 2M gil xP) there´s no need to give them hell for it.

 

  ZizouX

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7/10/13 1:11:47 AM#33
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by ZizouX
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
 

Did I miss a memo somewhere or is it really as simple as:

I'm not a legacy player so I can't roll on a legacy server and if you are a legacy player, you can't roll on a non-legacy server?

So, what's the big deal? I don't see the issue.

Non legacy can roll on a legacy server.  Legacy cannot role on a nonlegacy server until 6 months down the road when server transfers are available.

 

There is a compelling argument to be made for people who enjoy raiding and a stable economy to join a legacy server.  Many friends and family who decided not to play FFXIV 1.0 (and for good reason) will be rolling on legacy servers to be with their friends and family.

OK, but it's all still by choice right? Meaning. As a non legacy gamer, I can chose a realm where everyone starts fresh, or I can chose a realm where some are already established?

You have a choice.  Legacy players do not, unless they choose to start a brand new character on a Legacy server or non legacy, just like you.

 

If they choose to play on their Legacy character, they're stuck to a legacy server.

 

By the way,  Legacy has two definitions.

 

Legacy 1 - You paid for 3 months in 1.0 and now have a discount to your subscription and you have a Legacy Character.

 

Legacy 2 - You played in 1.0 and have a legacy character (played during the free period), but you didn't pay for 3 months, so you don't get the extra bonuses.   If you choose to use your legacy character, it will have to be on a legacy server.

  GeezerGamer

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7/10/13 7:36:57 AM#34
Originally posted by ZizouX
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by ZizouX
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
 

Did I miss a memo somewhere or is it really as simple as:

I'm not a legacy player so I can't roll on a legacy server and if you are a legacy player, you can't roll on a non-legacy server?

So, what's the big deal? I don't see the issue.

Non legacy can roll on a legacy server.  Legacy cannot role on a nonlegacy server until 6 months down the road when server transfers are available.

 

There is a compelling argument to be made for people who enjoy raiding and a stable economy to join a legacy server.  Many friends and family who decided not to play FFXIV 1.0 (and for good reason) will be rolling on legacy servers to be with their friends and family.

OK, but it's all still by choice right? Meaning. As a non legacy gamer, I can chose a realm where everyone starts fresh, or I can chose a realm where some are already established?

You have a choice.  Legacy players do not, unless they choose to start a brand new character on a Legacy server or non legacy, just like you.

 

If they choose to play on their Legacy character, they're stuck to a legacy server.

 

By the way,  Legacy has two definitions.

 

Legacy 1 - You paid for 3 months in 1.0 and now have a discount to your subscription and you have a Legacy Character.

 

Legacy 2 - You played in 1.0 and have a legacy character (played during the free period), but you didn't pay for 3 months, so you don't get the extra bonuses.   If you choose to use your legacy character, it will have to be on a legacy server.

Then I absolutely do not see a problem with SQEENIX throwing 1.0 players a bone. But I have to be honest here. Even if I was a Legacy player, I would just start fresh on a new realm. It's a new game. I'd feel like I'd be losing out on the FF experience if I were to go the legacy route. But for those who did play, and were basically shut down, I've no problem at all with what they are doing. It only affects me if I want it to.

I feel that the state of the genre is such that a total and complete failure is needed so it can be reborn anew.
I'm actually hoping this new generation of 8 button MMOs will make that happen.

  ZizouX

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7/10/13 8:50:38 AM#35
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by ZizouX
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by ZizouX
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
 

Did I miss a memo somewhere or is it really as simple as:

I'm not a legacy player so I can't roll on a legacy server and if you are a legacy player, you can't roll on a non-legacy server?

So, what's the big deal? I don't see the issue.

Non legacy can roll on a legacy server.  Legacy cannot role on a nonlegacy server until 6 months down the road when server transfers are available.

 

There is a compelling argument to be made for people who enjoy raiding and a stable economy to join a legacy server.  Many friends and family who decided not to play FFXIV 1.0 (and for good reason) will be rolling on legacy servers to be with their friends and family.

OK, but it's all still by choice right? Meaning. As a non legacy gamer, I can chose a realm where everyone starts fresh, or I can chose a realm where some are already established?

You have a choice.  Legacy players do not, unless they choose to start a brand new character on a Legacy server or non legacy, just like you.

 

If they choose to play on their Legacy character, they're stuck to a legacy server.

 

By the way,  Legacy has two definitions.

 

Legacy 1 - You paid for 3 months in 1.0 and now have a discount to your subscription and you have a Legacy Character.

 

Legacy 2 - You played in 1.0 and have a legacy character (played during the free period), but you didn't pay for 3 months, so you don't get the extra bonuses.   If you choose to use your legacy character, it will have to be on a legacy server.

Then I absolutely do not see a problem with SQEENIX throwing 1.0 players a bone. But I have to be honest here. Even if I was a Legacy player, I would just start fresh on a new realm. It's a new game. I'd feel like I'd be losing out on the FF experience if I were to go the legacy route. But for those who did play, and were basically shut down, I've no problem at all with what they are doing. It only affects me if I want it to.

SE has really thought the situation through.  I know recently some people didn't like the idea that SE would allow Legacy players to transfer to new servers six months after release.  Someone on the beta forums pretty much made a thread about "don't over let new servers and legacy server mix, and how it would be the worst thing to his experience."

 

Then, the community quickly pointed out that new servers would have a majority of its population with multiple level 50s, just like a legacy player and the economy would be stabalized by that point.  A legacy player transferfing to a new server wouldn't change anything at all.

 

SE has really though through the situation and is trying to make all parties involved have a good experience.  And as for chooseing to start fresh on a new server even if you have a legacy character, many legacy players are going to do just that.  I prefer to transfer over mainly because I have a couple of crafting and gathering at 50 and those arn't as easy or fast to level.  Also, Legacy players also have Arcanist they can play at launch and experience the game from a lvl 1 perspective.  All in all, players have a lot of options and that's a good thing.

 

 

  Roguewiz

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7/10/13 8:57:11 AM#36

I didn't buy the original CE.  I had it pre-ordered, but didn't have the money at the time.  So a friend gave me a buddy code.  Played the game, didn't like what they did, saved money on the CE.

I purchased the current CE though.  I definitely like what they've done to "fix" the game.

I be Raq, destroyer of game balance!
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Played: Everything
Playing: Everquest, Hearthstone, League of Legends
Wants: The World
Anticipating: Everquest Next, Everquest Next Landmark, Archeage

Trying to beat Dark Souls without using magic is like having a naked hot blond give you a root canal every day; painful and enjoyable at the same time.

  GeezerGamer

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7/10/13 9:10:55 AM#37
Originally posted by ZizouX
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by ZizouX
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by ZizouX
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
 

Did I miss a memo somewhere or is it really as simple as:

I'm not a legacy player so I can't roll on a legacy server and if you are a legacy player, you can't roll on a non-legacy server?

So, what's the big deal? I don't see the issue.

Non legacy can roll on a legacy server.  Legacy cannot role on a nonlegacy server until 6 months down the road when server transfers are available.

 

There is a compelling argument to be made for people who enjoy raiding and a stable economy to join a legacy server.  Many friends and family who decided not to play FFXIV 1.0 (and for good reason) will be rolling on legacy servers to be with their friends and family.

OK, but it's all still by choice right? Meaning. As a non legacy gamer, I can chose a realm where everyone starts fresh, or I can chose a realm where some are already established?

You have a choice.  Legacy players do not, unless they choose to start a brand new character on a Legacy server or non legacy, just like you.

 

If they choose to play on their Legacy character, they're stuck to a legacy server.

 

By the way,  Legacy has two definitions.

 

Legacy 1 - You paid for 3 months in 1.0 and now have a discount to your subscription and you have a Legacy Character.

 

Legacy 2 - You played in 1.0 and have a legacy character (played during the free period), but you didn't pay for 3 months, so you don't get the extra bonuses.   If you choose to use your legacy character, it will have to be on a legacy server.

Then I absolutely do not see a problem with SQEENIX throwing 1.0 players a bone. But I have to be honest here. Even if I was a Legacy player, I would just start fresh on a new realm. It's a new game. I'd feel like I'd be losing out on the FF experience if I were to go the legacy route. But for those who did play, and were basically shut down, I've no problem at all with what they are doing. It only affects me if I want it to.

SE has really thought the situation through.  I know recently some people didn't like the idea that SE would allow Legacy players to transfer to new servers six months after release.  Someone on the beta forums pretty much made a thread about "don't over let new servers and legacy server mix, and how it would be the worst thing to his experience."

 

Then, the community quickly pointed out that new servers would have a majority of its population with multiple level 50s, just like a legacy player and the economy would be stabalized by that point.  A legacy player transferfing to a new server wouldn't change anything at all.

 

SE has really though through the situation and is trying to make all parties involved have a good experience.  And as for chooseing to start fresh on a new server even if you have a legacy character, many legacy players are going to do just that.  I prefer to transfer over mainly because I have a couple of crafting and gathering at 50 and those arn't as easy or fast to level.  Also, Legacy players also have Arcanist they can play at launch and experience the game from a lvl 1 perspective.  All in all, players have a lot of options and that's a good thing.

 

 

This is no different back when WoW was still growing and adding servers all the time during TBC. They'd open a new server and not allow transfers in for a period of time. Then once the server matured for several months, they'd open them up for inbound transfers. I don't recall there was ever a server that was messed up because of that.

I feel that the state of the genre is such that a total and complete failure is needed so it can be reborn anew.
I'm actually hoping this new generation of 8 button MMOs will make that happen.

  Rupskul

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7/10/13 12:28:37 PM#38

Thank YOU, OP ... Best thread ever. 

Folks remember that this is just a game, right?  If your fondest childhood memories involve a video game, I suggest you get outside a bit.  Make some new friends.  Do something else for a while.

Still.  This thread has given me more enjoyment than FFXIV 1.0 did, which I unceremoniously dumped it right when they added the monthly payment.  I feel good about that.

  TwoThreeFour

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7/10/13 5:50:20 PM#39
Originally posted by Rupskul

Thank YOU, OP ... Best thread ever. 

Folks remember that this is just a game, right?  If your fondest childhood memories involve a video game, I suggest you get outside a bit.  Make some new friends.  Do something else for a while.

Still.  This thread has given me more enjoyment than FFXIV 1.0 did, which I unceremoniously dumped it right when they added the monthly payment.  I feel good about that.

 

Perhaps, people actually talked with those friends about Final Fantasy?

 

 

  Rupskul

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Posts: 73

7/10/13 6:46:41 PM#40
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
Originally posted by Rupskul

Thank YOU, OP ... Best thread ever. 

Folks remember that this is just a game, right?  If your fondest childhood memories involve a video game, I suggest you get outside a bit.  Make some new friends.  Do something else for a while.

Still.  This thread has given me more enjoyment than FFXIV 1.0 did, which I unceremoniously dumped it right when they added the monthly payment.  I feel good about that.

 

Perhaps, people actually talked with those friends about Final Fantasy?

 

 

hmmm .... Perhaps, but I stand by my comments.  This shouldn't be among fond childhood memories. 

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