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  Arglebargle

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Joined: 6/13/07
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7/09/13 9:33:33 PM#121

In a ftp game, you are providing a valuable resource....you're part of the game's playerbase, helping them avoid the dreaded 'No one plays this any more...' complaint.   They should pay you...  ;)

 

If I really like a ftp game, I will eventually spend something, to reward them for it being fun.  Especially if they don't have an abusive cash shop.

 

If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.

  Panther2103

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7/09/13 9:38:49 PM#122
It really depends. If I'm playing an F2P game that has an obnoxiously greedy cash shop, then no I will not feel guilty. It all depends on who made it and how much I play it and how the cash shop is set up. If it's pay to win, and I'm enjoying it and not needing to spend money then no I will not pay a dime on that and I won't feel any guilt whatsoever. If it's made by some indie company, and it's free, and I've spent countless hours in it, I'll most likely spend money because I feel like they need it, and they have earned it. The only way I will spend money in a pay to win game is if it is made by an indie company, and I've spent enough time playing it to know the game is worth it.
  OG_Zorvan

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7/09/13 9:57:22 PM#123
Originally posted by SnarlingWolf
Originally posted by rojo6934
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Loke666

Just vote with your money. If you love something but never pay anything you don't really have the right to complain if they change it or close it down.

Nah .. there is free speech in this country. You always have the right to whine, but the devs have the right to ignore you.

then why is Justin Carter still in jail facing up to 8 years in prison for a bad joke comment on facebook? The FoS is quickly fading away in this country. We started to see beginnings of dictatorship for a while now.

 Yes, someone threatening to shoot up a kindergarten and watch the blood rain down is someone we should all pity and should be used to represent the lack of free speech.

 

Oh yeah, death threats are a serious thing and can result in being tossed in jail to protect others. Just thought you might want to know that. It would clearly be better to ignore all death threats because some moron doesn't know what not to joke about and allow all the more serious ones to end in someone's death instead.

 

He's also currently in jail because he is awaiting trial where he could be proven innocent and let go. There is a bond option, he just can't afford it. But overall your statements show a gross misunderstanding of how laws work and an exaggeration that there is no FoS because of this one douche.

If all death threats are to be taken serious, than 3/4 of the Xbone Live userbase should be in jail by now.

Followed by 3/4 of the internet populace in general.

 

Originally posted by Murugan

I think the people you should feel bad for are not the developers but the poor "whales" who subsidize your play by spending hundreds-thousands of dollars on virtual junk.

 

These people are spending far more than they ever would have before in a P2P MMORPG just to get all the game has to offer.  Please google what being a "whale" in a "f2p" MMORPG really means.

 

There are stories of wives spending all of their families money on pointless f2p crap, emptying out entire bank accounts.  Kids running up their parents credit card bills.  It is a serious problem, and I just wish the f2p community was more aware of it.

 

These are people too, and you are hurting them with your support of a model that exploits them.  Now you may say they are just weak willed, but have a heart and try to remember when you could genuinely enjoy a virtual world.  Now imagine if someone had placed microtransactions at every turn to prevent you from playing how you wanted.  Maybe then you will understand how these poor souls are suckered into spending so much money in cash shops.

I feel as bad for those "whales" as I do the idiots losing their houses and shirts next to me in the casino in Vegas, as I walk out after having spent my pre-determined and budgeted limit.

As in, not at all.

EA CEO John Riccitiello's on future microtransactions: "When you are six hours into playing Battlefield and you run out of ammo in your clip, and we ask you for a dollar to reload, you're really not very price sensitive at that point in time...We're not gouging, but we're charging."

  TheHavok

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7/10/13 3:17:49 AM#124
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by TheHavok

Sure, you can spend nothing. But don't complain when that company falls on hard times. Don't complain when fewer and fewer games start to be published. Why not support the games that give you enjoyment?

Because whales are doing that just fine, and there are more important things to spend money on than F2P MMOs?

This is incredibly short sighted.  This mentality forces producers to cater sales to the whales along with devs who make systems that cater to whales.  It only furthers the pay to win mentality which is bad for any game (unless you are a whale and want to have all the power).

  User Deleted
7/10/13 3:55:02 AM#125
Originally posted by Doogiehowser

I have had thousands of hours worth of fun lately playing games like NW, STO and AION. More than i ever had while playing sub MMOS. But i felt bad for not spending a dime and felt really cheap and thought it is like taking advantage of someone's hard work.  After all these devs don't work for free and have bills to pay and their families to take care of. 

Was i being selfish? cheap? (i did spend some money in cash shop of Aion and bought some zen for STO / NW just to show my support)

 

 

I did feel guilty. I played LotR:O completely free for a number of months and gave them a donation afterwards because I felt it was completely unfair of me to do so.

  Dixi01

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Joined: 7/11/06
Posts: 31

7/10/13 4:03:09 AM#126

Very rarely I think that "it could be nice to donate a little, since the game is good". But most of time I'm not completely satisfied by the game so the question about payment do not appear in my mind.

I very rarely use payed services in F2P games. Usually none at all. Sometimes I pay once for skill respec or character transfer.

In whole I miss good subscription based MMORPGs like in old times much more.

In last years market is flooded by F2P games of less then average quality - and that's a problem.

  Magnetia

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Joined: 11/07/11
Posts: 975

Any fool can know. The point is to understand.

7/10/13 4:44:48 AM#127
If I am enjoying the game and feel that it's worth my money I put a little bit in even if I don't really need to. Having said that I don't often put money into MMOs.

Play for fun. Play to win. Play for perfection. Play with friends. Play in another world. Why do you play?

  Doogiehowser

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Joined: 3/14/12
Posts: 1954

 
OP  7/10/13 6:56:49 AM#128
Originally posted by whisperwynd
Originally posted by Doogiehowser

You go with what? from those two words somehow you know me and about my personal life?

I am on gaming forums talking about games. Please tell me why would i start talking about my contribution and involvements in social causes? 

As far as being more morally aware, i already explained it in earlier post. For me i feel i am taking advantage of someones hard work by not contributing  as little as 15 bucks if i had thousands of hours of fun out of something. I would do the same for any other product whether it is games, music or movies. Everything is easily avilable for consumption and that too for free in this age of internet but if i enjoy something it is my way of saying thank you and supporting the hard work of people involved in making of these products.

Way to overreact man and trying to twist my post into something it wasn't. Stop taking everything so damn personally. 

First, nowhere did I request for you to explain about your contributions in social causes, way to read something not there. I don't care about your personal life, just what you posted about the guilt feeling towards F2P games.

Second, saying you wish to pay back into a company because you feel they deserve it is fine. More than fine, you certainly did not need to add that it was because you were 'maybe morally aware'. Again, it can be seen as insulting to those who feel no guilt at not giving any money. Just saying. It does seem however that it is you overreacting here as I did not attack you and even apologized in the event that it wasn't a condescending remark on your part.

Thirdly, I'm not taking it personal and did not twist anything you said. Hope this clarifies things.

Cheers!

 

Quoting your earlier post..

And guilt should not be felt at all here. Why not spend your paycheck on World Vision or Unicef or charities like that if your conscience is bothering you.

Real issues of the world take a back seat but those poor devs offering a free game where, and this is the kicker...should you wish to, spend real money to buy something and support them to your heart's content is worthy of guilt for those not buying anything?!

I think it is self explanatory isn't it? like i said don't assume what i do or not do outside of these gaming forums. You don't know how much i contribute to charities and i have no reason to mention it here on gaming forums.

I added morally aware because someone asked me the reason why i was feeling bad or selfish. For him how i felt was just stupid and hence i explained why. By the way if i was overreacting i would start assuming about your personal life which i didn't. 

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  nariusseldon

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Joined: 12/21/07
Posts: 20226

7/10/13 1:58:37 PM#129
Originally posted by TheHavok
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by TheHavok

Sure, you can spend nothing. But don't complain when that company falls on hard times. Don't complain when fewer and fewer games start to be published. Why not support the games that give you enjoyment?

Because whales are doing that just fine, and there are more important things to spend money on than F2P MMOs?

This is incredibly short sighted.  This mentality forces producers to cater sales to the whales along with devs who make systems that cater to whales.  It only furthers the pay to win mentality which is bad for any game (unless you are a whale and want to have all the power).

Also not unless you are a free player and move on to another game before hitting the pay wall.

Yes, it is shorted sighted. I am not looking to play these games for years. There will be plenty of new games.

  whisperwynd

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Joined: 2/22/06
Posts: 1432

Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the priviledge to do so as well.

7/10/13 2:11:23 PM#130
Originally posted by Doogiehowser

Quoting your earlier post..

And guilt should not be felt at all here. Why not spend your paycheck on World Vision or Unicef or charities like that if your conscience is bothering you.

Real issues of the world take a back seat but those poor devs offering a free game where, and this is the kicker...should you wish to, spend real money to buy something and support them to your heart's content is worthy of guilt for those not buying anything?!

I think it is self explanatory isn't it? like i said don't assume what i do or not do outside of these gaming forums. You don't know how much i contribute to charities and i have no reason to mention it here on gaming forums.

I added morally aware because someone asked me the reason why i was feeling bad or selfish. For him how i felt was just stupid and hence i explained why. By the way if i was overreacting i would start assuming about your personal life which i didn't. 

LOL It wasn't an assumption, it was citing the fallacy in having to feel guilt in a game where the system allows someone to pay money in their cash shop to precisely support the devs for playing it. I really don't know how to express better. It has NOTHING to do with your personal habits/beliefs/etc.

You see that and take it as a personal attack but your comment of being morally aware is totally justified? Hell, even after an apology you still gnaw on this bone...

 

Peace

 

  kniltsol

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Joined: 6/25/13
Posts: 10

7/10/13 2:15:23 PM#131
that would be a NO...98% of all ftp games are not worth playing...so im glad that I don't have to pay to play them.  The few that I do pay for I actually play because the content is better..imho
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