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  Panzerbase

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7/06/13 10:27:46 PM#41
Wow pretty much showed the true interest, or lack of, in "e-sports". 
  mcrippins

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7/06/13 10:30:27 PM#42
Originally posted by Panzerbase
Wow pretty much showed the true interest, or lack of, in "e-sports". 

Not even sure what the point of this debate is anymore. E-Sports like anything else is a preference. If you like e-sports then watch it. There's plenty to watch, and enjoy. If not then go do something else! Personally I could care less about football, but show me 2 top tier teams battling it out, and you've got my attention. 

  mayanking

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7/06/13 11:21:12 PM#43
Skilled Game will always mean to me when both people start on even terms and win with everyone having the same advantages and disadvantages. Dota is in no way a true skilled based game. i will admit it's a team but skill?  everyone gets a different hero different stuff and it comes down to who has the better farmed and picked smarter and teamwork but in no way to me anyways does a game where you all start with different stuff means legit Much more luck then legit if anything.
  Axehilt

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7/07/13 3:36:04 AM#44
Originally posted by Razeekster

If it's compared to all MMOs and their players than I'm sorry, I still have to disagree with you. I am not judging it's popularity by it's numbers (it wins that category). I am judging it's popularity by it's relevance in comparison to MMOs. Most of the PvP you see in MMOs don't support enough structure or have the kind of mechanics that support thinking or tactical planning and maneuvering (not to even mention that most MMOs are made up of PvE players, not PvPers, so that in itself cuts the demand for e-sports in MMOs).  

Thus in my opinion, it's not all that relatively popular to most MMO players.

Ah, well sure you can almost say with certainty that most MMO players aren't into e-sports.  But you couldn't really disagree that e-sports is popular.  E-sport popularity is well-documented and obvious, it's just the mix with the MMO crowd is a bit weak.

The reason why is most MMOs are MMORPGs, and all RPGs are (by design) a step away from pure skill gaming.  Instead of your performance being 100% derived from your playing skill, it's at least partially (and usually quite strongly) derived from your character progression.  It's an intentional thing, done to make gaming more casual (simply do this over and over, and things will be easier.)  And it works and appeals broadly (probably to most or all people here.)

  User Deleted
7/07/13 3:45:24 AM#45
I like e-sports.

I turn on the TV and watch Dwight Howard miss free throw after free throw but he still gets paid 20 million a year to play basketball. Why? Because he's 7'1", that doesnt impress me.

But I watch a Starcraft match with Jaedong's 300 APM or a Dota2 match with Dendi scoring a rampage and I'm left a bit in awe because I know no matter how much I could practice I would never be that good.
  Axehilt

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7/07/13 3:56:43 AM#46
Originally posted by mayanking
Skilled Game will always mean to me when both people start on even terms and win with everyone having the same advantages and disadvantages. Dota is in no way a true skilled based game. i will admit it's a team but skill?  everyone gets a different hero different stuff and it comes down to who has the better farmed and picked smarter and teamwork but in no way to me anyways does a game where you all start with different stuff means legit Much more luck then legit if anything.

Are you under the impression that "getting farmed" is something randomly rewarded to players, rather than something earned through skillful play?

I didn't play DOTA nearly as much as I've played LoL, but I'm pretty sure nearly all of the factors in the game were deterministic, meaning player actions (player skill) completely dictate the course of the game with no significant non-skill elements.

  nariusseldon

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OP  7/07/13 2:30:10 PM#47
Originally posted by jpnz
Originally posted by dave6660
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Playing video games is not a sport.

South Korea would disagree.

 

Do these kids in South Korea call themselves e-jocks?  If so, do they use that as a way to pick up e-girls?

Those 'kids' call themselves 'professional gamers' and earn 6 figures just on prize money alone.

Heck, there's one guy from France that put his Medical degree on hold because he earned $200k just on prize money.

This excludes sponsorships and team salary which probably is higher than that.

And they have female fans .. just watch any S Korean televised match. They get girls as easy as sports star here in the US.

 

  GeezerGamer

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7/07/13 2:36:20 PM#48
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Playing video games is not a sport.

South Korea would disagree.

 

LOL, Yeah because

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sport_in_South_Korea#Traditional_sports

Kite Flying??????????

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  nariusseldon

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OP  7/07/13 2:51:04 PM#49
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Playing video games is not a sport.

South Korea would disagree.

 

LOL, Yeah because

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sport_in_South_Korea#Traditional_sports

Kite Flying??????????

That is the "traditional" sport. S Korea's national sport is Starcraft.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/gaming.gadgets/07/27/south.korea.starcraft/index.html

Even CNN said so.

"the StarCraft video game series has spawned devotion more akin to professional sports teams."

"Games of large tournaments are broadcast live on television in South Korea."

  GeezerGamer

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7/07/13 3:46:31 PM#50
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Playing video games is not a sport.

South Korea would disagree.

 

LOL, Yeah because

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sport_in_South_Korea#Traditional_sports

Kite Flying??????????

That is the "traditional" sport. S Korea's national sport is Starcraft.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/gaming.gadgets/07/27/south.korea.starcraft/index.html

Even CNN said so.

"the StarCraft video game series has spawned devotion more akin to professional sports teams."

"Games of large tournaments are broadcast live on television in South Korea."

I am not disputing what you are saying.

What I meant was.....They don't have anything else.

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  dave6660

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7/07/13 5:12:57 PM#51
Originally posted by jpnz
Originally posted by dave6660
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Playing video games is not a sport.

South Korea would disagree.

 

Do these kids in South Korea call themselves e-jocks?  If so, do they use that as a way to pick up e-girls?

Those 'kids' call themselves 'professional gamers' and earn 6 figures just on prize money alone.

Heck, there's one guy from France that put his Medical degree on hold because he earned $200k just on prize money.

This excludes sponsorships and team salary which probably is higher than that.

Great.  I wasn't expecting a serious answer nor do I care.

"Why so serious?"
-- The Joker

  nariusseldon

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OP  7/08/13 2:23:48 PM#52
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Playing video games is not a sport.

South Korea would disagree.

 

LOL, Yeah because

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sport_in_South_Korea#Traditional_sports

Kite Flying??????????

That is the "traditional" sport. S Korea's national sport is Starcraft.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/gaming.gadgets/07/27/south.korea.starcraft/index.html

Even CNN said so.

"the StarCraft video game series has spawned devotion more akin to professional sports teams."

"Games of large tournaments are broadcast live on television in South Korea."

I am not disputing what you are saying.

What I meant was.....They don't have anything else.

Oh, that is certainly true. Starcraft is S Korea's claim to fame.

  nariusseldon

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OP  7/08/13 2:24:27 PM#53
Originally posted by dave6660
Originally posted by jpnz
Originally posted by dave6660
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Playing video games is not a sport.

South Korea would disagree.

 

Do these kids in South Korea call themselves e-jocks?  If so, do they use that as a way to pick up e-girls?

Those 'kids' call themselves 'professional gamers' and earn 6 figures just on prize money alone.

Heck, there's one guy from France that put his Medical degree on hold because he earned $200k just on prize money.

This excludes sponsorships and team salary which probably is higher than that.

Great.  I wasn't expecting a serious answer nor do I care.

You care enough to ask. Ask and you shall receive.

  thamighty213

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7/08/13 2:33:46 PM#54

If only it was this way in the 90s when I had to lump my rig all over europe to compete in quake/kingpin tournaments and sponsorship was exceptionally rare,  lucky if 50 people took the time to come watch the matches (hovered over your shoulder I might add) there was one maybes 2 high value ones where walked away with loads of great gear and money but not enough to base a living on.

 

Look at it now millions of viewers,  advertising revenue on a twitch stream alone can earn you a living never mind sponsorship/league payments/winnings.

 

Give it another 20 years and I'm sure it will be even bigger but hopefully have strayed away from MOBA/RTS and back to its FPS routes.

  djazzy

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7/08/13 3:41:52 PM#55
is Starcraft really more popular than Football in South Korea? I find that hard to believe. I mean the K-League is the oldest professional football league in Asia.. It would be nice to see some creditable numbers on that.
  Axehilt

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7/08/13 4:56:06 PM#56
Originally posted by nariusseldon

And they have female fans .. just watch any S Korean televised match. They get girls as easy as sports star here in the US. 

I know I've heard of at least one Korean gaming house where dating simply wasn't allowed.  I'm sure it extends beyond just that one house, though I don't know how prevalent that is (probably more common in Korea where they take things more seriously.)

  nariusseldon

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OP  7/08/13 5:18:55 PM#57
Originally posted by Axehilt
Originally posted by nariusseldon

And they have female fans .. just watch any S Korean televised match. They get girls as easy as sports star here in the US. 

I know I've heard of at least one Korean gaming house where dating simply wasn't allowed.  I'm sure it extends beyond just that one house, though I don't know how prevalent that is (probably more common in Korea where they take things more seriously.)

http://www.edge-online.com/features/starcrafts-enduring-legacy-part-two/2/

"Nearly all of the fans are female, teenage or in their 20s, and they praise their favourite player while offering him a gift of a tasty snack. There’s a definite flirtatiousness about the whole affair, and it’s not uncommon for a player to date a fan"

 

  DamonVile

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7/08/13 5:26:01 PM#58
Originally posted by Axehilt
Originally posted by nariusseldon

And they have female fans .. just watch any S Korean televised match. They get girls as easy as sports star here in the US. 

I know I've heard of at least one Korean gaming house where dating simply wasn't allowed.  I'm sure it extends beyond just that one house, though I don't know how prevalent that is (probably more common in Korea where they take things more seriously.)

So they're kind of like the 300 spartan's while the rest of us are the ones guarding the hidden path !

  Axehilt

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7/08/13 9:46:29 PM#59
Originally posted by nariusseldon

http://www.edge-online.com/features/starcrafts-enduring-legacy-part-two/2/

"Nearly all of the fans are female, teenage or in their 20s, and they praise their favourite player while offering him a gift of a tasty snack. There’s a definite flirtatiousness about the whole affair, and it’s not uncommon for a player to date a fan" 

I'm sure that's true of some pro gamers, sure.  For most it isn't, either because they take gaming very seriously (many korean pros) or because there's a social stigma about gaming still (in the US.)

But it doesn't take a scientist to scrutinize the statement "nearly all of the fans are female".  Anyone who's watched a gaming event stream suspects that's not true.  And those of us who've watched many event streams are confident it isn't.

  skyexile

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7/09/13 1:08:29 AM#60


Originally posted by MMORPGRIP
God...let's not discuss WoT's. Game is really irritating.

Not really the game...it's the players ruining that one. So many adolescent remarks and absolutely NO teamwork involved. Everyone seems out for themselves and to get the highest kill count. It's sad. The 3 scenario's to every match...

1. Team rushes out and gets picked off 1 by 1.

2. Team all rushes to 1 side except maybe 1 or 2 that go the other way. 1 or 2 that went the other way get wiped out by the entire enemy team coming that direction...your teams flag gets capped.

3. Your assignment is to defend your base. So what does the team do? Rushes ahead and gets picked off one by one. You lose.

 

Average 1 win to 12 losses because too many are of the "me" mindset instead of the "we".


are you seriously saying your win loss ratio is 1:12 ? WTF.

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