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  Aldous.Huxley

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7/05/13 7:14:46 AM#141

This horse is now a soupy mixture of organic mush.

  Scripture1

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Posts: 422

"I will have obedience and not sacrifice"

7/05/13 8:45:02 AM#142

I think SE missed their time in the spotlight years ago at the very first ffxiv release. They certainly DO NOT have as much steam and traction pulling off this time around. This I think is not only due to them missing the first shot, but with great p2p games now going f2p such as Aion, GW2 and even WoW gives you f2p until lvl 20; I think it's going to hurt them. Not kill em, just hurt em a little.

With that said, I still intend to try out as many more of the beta weekends as I can before pre-ordering my collectors edition. FFXI was the mmo of all mmo's for me. FFXI started me off playing mmo's to begin with (before that I only played civilization III lol) and no matter what game I've played since then I've NEVER had that kind of experience with a game no matter how fun. So far I can say FFXIV is not going to give me that feeling that FFXI gave me but I'm hoping I get a surprise because like I said, I'm a fan.

  BishopTx

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Joined: 9/23/05
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7/05/13 11:22:54 AM#143

I loathe the game. Ive been trying the beta each weekend and each time come away with so many things I don't like about the game. I find the story nonsensical, the lack of spoken dialogue aggravating, the quests mechanics are fetch based and old, and the hot bar combat archaic.

 

I've tried to like it as I have friends that enjoy it, but it doesn't appeal to me at all.

 

  User Deleted
7/05/13 11:25:09 AM#144
Originally posted by Murugan
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by rush1984

People keep saying mmorpg players "want somethign new"

I dont !!!!!!!!!!! i been playing them for over 10 years  and its the new mmorpgs that i find crap gw2 (no trinity) CRAP it didnt work,  age of conan crap crap crap crap Tera  crap crap crap neverwinter crap crap crap swtor crap crap crap Rift (wasnt too bad but got boring) .

everytime a new mmorpg comes out people end up going back to their original mmorpg that they left usually wow but then they quit it again because now it has changed and is basicly something different to what it once was  aka its crap now.

 

people want the old not the new make a mmorpg that requires braincells and none of that flyign combat , teleporting to dungeons instantly  bullshit, worlds are supposed to be immersive , how is teleporting everywhere gonna help to do that.

i think mmorpgs need to take a step back and stop trying to be new and cater to noobs that play the games like a singleplayer game and burn through all content after 5 mins and then move on to teh next mmorpg.

You lost me at 'crap'.

AOC has holy trinity, so does Tera, Rift and NW and SWTOR. All these MMOS just like FFXIV ARR had some new things added to them but over all they were following the same tried and tested themepark formula. So i find it ironic you call all these MMOS crap and then write 'i don't want something new'.

So you think in order to not be a crap game, all a studio has to do is have the holy trinity and "some new things added to them".

 

No wonder so many crappy MMO's are released these days.  You people have no standards.

 

I think Duke Nukem had lots of standard FPS "mechanics" and "some new things" I guess that means it was a pretty good game after all.  Because you know "some new things" are all that matters to real gamers.

err  re-read

  BishopTx

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Joined: 9/23/05
Posts: 23

7/05/13 1:56:12 PM#145
Originally posted by DarkVergil
[mod edit]

I agree and with the OP. I don't think the game will be very successful beyond it's core base. And with Square Enix in such financial peril they will need to be..I think the game will struggle to appeal to westerners...for the following reasons.

1. The initial 60 min of gameplay =there is none. I give the game props for the character creation system, it has lots of options. That's cool. The graphics have a nice fidelity to them as well. But once the luster of that has worn off reality sets in and its 60+ min before you actually get to play the game.

An hour minimum of boring text based only clicky conversations (more on that in a minute) that makes no sense and has absolutely nothing to do with the story, your character or the world. Three starting areas and they all take an hour just to get to, all of them talking to some guy in cart/carriage about nothing.

The initial introduction is nonsensical. Many will quit because or boredom. Once in town the get started stuff is so slow and boring its sleep inducing. Fetch quests galore, use the emote system to dance and after another 30 min of mindless fedex courier stuff you get to kill some lady bugs. Yipee!

2. No Voice acting. Talk about a game that looks like a 2013 game but sounds like one from 1999. WoW had more spoken dialogue than this game at its launch in 2004 and so did every other game released since then. For a game today to not even have NPCs say hello or have some sort of canned response when you click on them is shameful. And the amount of mindless text you have to click through or god forbid actually read - hmph, no one will do that.

I've heard they may add voice acting for the later story missions, but even that given the expansiveness of this feature found in all other MMOs today makes FFXIV seem lost in time.

3. HOT BAR games are so 2005. Click, watch animation, wait for global cool down, click, click, rinse repeat. With games like GW2 and Neverwinter paving the way for fluid gameplay in MMOs Western based players will see FFXIV combat as old school, and not in a good way.

4. For me, well It's still too -- well FF-ish. Yep. I get it, for the fanboys they love it. The everyone looks like fairies and the effects are all outlandish is a good thing. Monsters sitting beside Pokemons and killing fuzzy lady bugs are cool. For me and I suspect many other westerners, well it's not. It is odd, goofy and well it bit off putting. The dialogue and writing are obviously translations and don't make sense all the time. I appreciate their efforts to Westernize it, but they didn't do enough of it.

5. All of these reasons combine to make a very strange and boring combination, and one that most folks not already SOLD on FF will throw away like a bad Jet Li film.

Again, I'm not here to be critical. I've tried the beta, tried all the initial classes to 20 at least and cant bring myself to play it anymore.

  Salahudin

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7/05/13 1:57:28 PM#146
I am really looking forward to its release, can`t wait to play this game
  NetSage

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Joined: 3/20/10
Posts: 1008

7/05/13 3:18:48 PM#147
Do beta testers not read forums anymore?  It's been stated a lot of times that the main storyline is voiced (just not in beta).  And, imo is a pretty shallow reason to think a game won't be successful since SWTOR was fully voiced over.
  Ayulin

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Joined: 3/30/13
Posts: 344

7/05/13 3:50:29 PM#148
Originally posted by BishopTx
 

I agree and with the OP. I don't think the game will be very successful beyond it's core base. And with Square Enix in such financial peril they will need to be..I think the game will struggle to appeal to westerners...for the following reasons.

Conjecture.

1. The initial 60 min of gameplay =there is none. I give the game props for the character creation system, it has lots of options. That's cool. The graphics have a nice fidelity to them as well. But once the luster of that has worn off reality sets in and its 60+ min before you actually get to play the game.

If you sat there and stared at your screen or wnet AFK for a few minutes between every dialog bubble or cut-scene, sure it could take that long. Didn't take even nearly that long for me, and I'm pretty sure the intro I went through was the same as, or similar to, the one you did.

In other words: Stop exaggerating. There are plenty of others who know better, and who can and will call you out on it.

The initial introduction is nonsensical. Many will quit because or boredom. Once in town the get started stuff is so slow and boring its sleep inducing. Fetch quests galore, use the emote system to dance and after another 30 min of mindless fedex courier stuff you get to kill some lady bugs. Yipee!

Conjecture, exaggeration and a bit of conflating personal opinion with fact.

2. No Voice acting. Talk about a game that looks like a 2013 game but sounds like one from 1999. WoW had more spoken dialogue than this game at its launch in 2004 and so did every other game released since then. For a game today to not even have NPCs say hello or have some sort of canned response when you click on them is shameful. And the amount of mindless text you have to click through or god forbid actually read - hmph, no one will do that.

I've heard they may add voice acting for the later story missions, but even that given the expansiveness of this feature found in all other MMOs today makes FFXIV seem lost in time.

There will be voice acting for all the major story missions starting from the beginning. It's not implemented in Beta. This has been announced and known for months now. Before you start spouting off statements as "fact", make sure you know what you've got your information straight.

3. HOT BAR games are so 2005. Click, watch animation, wait for global cool down, click, click, rinse repeat. With games like GW2 and Neverwinter paving the way for fluid gameplay in MMOs Western based players will see FFXIV combat as old school, and not in a good way.

More conjecture and personal opinion asserted as fact.

4. For me, well It's still too -- well FF-ish. Yep. I get it, for the fanboys they love it. The everyone looks like fairies and the effects are all outlandish is a good thing. Monsters sitting beside Pokemons and killing fuzzy lady bugs are cool. For me and I suspect many other westerners, well it's not. It is odd, goofy and well it bit off putting. The dialogue and writing are obviously translations and don't make sense all the time. I appreciate their efforts to Westernize it, but they didn't do enough of it.

More conjecture and personal opinion asserted as fact, with a bit of ad hominem thrown in to round it off.

5. All of these reasons combine to make a very strange and boring combination, and one that most folks not already SOLD on FF will throw away like a bad Jet Li film.

More conjecture and personal opinion asserted as fact.

Again, I'm not here to be critical. I've tried the beta, tried all the initial classes to 20 at least and cant bring myself to play it anymore.

Posts a tirade ripping the game apart, then concludes by saying he's not here to be critical...

...  ooooookay.

What's your character name, and what server are you on? I'd like to see your "all initial classes to 20"

  ElRenmazuo

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Joined: 10/28/06
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7/05/13 4:01:51 PM#149

I find it funny that people on this site seems to think Final Fantasy franchise is a niche in NA.  Every article on the topic of most popular franchise i read final fantasy is in the top 10, on IGN a western gaming site its in 3rd place from mario and zelda.  And when it comes to sales of copies the NA sales are almost as much as the Japanese sales for each title in the series especially the ones after FF7.  And when it comes to companies SE is also in the top 10 of the richest video game companies.

Even if fans were the only ones to play XIV that alone would make it a success as this franchise is one of the most sold IPs in gaming history.  The mistake people do on this site is comparing Japanese games to Korean games, its like comparing fast food to fine dining.

  hMJem

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Joined: 3/19/13
Posts: 468

7/06/13 1:20:22 AM#150
Originally posted by notrobertfrost
Just another armchair developer who thinks their personal taste means something. Probably came here after your opinion was utterly rejected over at the beta forums. Sorry the game isn't like ffxi. Nothing could assure this games failure more then turning it into a remake of ffxi.

Kind of funny, the SWTOR fanboys were mad at anyone who dissed "their game" on the beta forums

 

"Fallacies! You speak fallacies! It's just beta, the game gets better!"

 

They always say that to lie to themselves.. Now most of those fanboys defending SWTOR on those beta forums probably quit the game.

  Squeak69

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cheese cheese wheres da bloody cheese

7/06/13 1:54:13 AM#151
Originally posted by hMJem
Originally posted by notrobertfrost
Just another armchair developer who thinks their personal taste means something. Probably came here after your opinion was utterly rejected over at the beta forums. Sorry the game isn't like ffxi. Nothing could assure this games failure more then turning it into a remake of ffxi.

Kind of funny, the SWTOR fanboys were mad at anyone who dissed "their game" on the beta forums

 

"Fallacies! You speak fallacies! It's just beta, the game gets better!"

 

They always say that to lie to themselves.. Now most of those fanboys defending SWTOR on those beta forums probably quit the game.

but no one is saying it just beta it gets better people are saying its already better.

F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to
Proper Grammer & spelling are extra, corrections will be LOL at.

  9reesracer9

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7/06/13 2:07:39 AM#152
Originally posted by BishopTx

I loathe the game. Ive been trying the beta each weekend and each time come away with so many things I don't like about the game. I find the story nonsensical, the lack of spoken dialogue aggravating, the quests mechanics are fetch based and old, and the hot bar combat archaic.

 

I've tried to like it as I have friends that enjoy it, but it doesn't appeal to me at all.

 

^^ THIS is what the OP should have written instead of trying to argue/convince everyone why it is that the game will not be a success (and attempting to speak for everyone else as well)!

cheers, mate...i can understand and respect your opinion, even if i do not share it personally. :)

  DarkVergil

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7/06/13 12:18:32 PM#153

Sorry but this game won't be a success. It's just another generic WoW clone that want's to take a percentage of it's subs and will either die or go F2P after a year of release. Played the beta for around two days, the questing was some of the most generic shit i've ever played.

Just like SWTOR.

Edit: and to the mods, just because my post doesn't praise your delicious mmorpg "god" does not mean the post is trolling.

 Seriously get over yourselves.

  drivendawn

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7/06/13 12:22:20 PM#154
Originally posted by DarkVergil

Sorry but this game won't be a success. It's just another generic WoW clone that want's to take a percentage of it's subs and will either die or go F2P after a year of release. Played the beta for around two days, the questing was some of the most generic shit i've ever played.

Just like SWTOR.

Edit: and to the mods, just because my post doesn't praise your delicious mmorpg "god" does not mean the post is trolling.

 Seriously get over yourselves.

Well sorry you feel that way, I disagree but hey hope you find or found a game you like.

  Raxeon

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7/06/13 12:26:39 PM#155
Originally posted by DarkVergil

Sorry but this game won't be a success. It's just another generic WoW clone that want's to take a percentage of it's subs and will either die or go F2P after a year of release. Played the beta for around two days, the questing was some of the most generic shit i've ever played.

Just like SWTOR.

Edit: and to the mods, just because my post doesn't praise your delicious mmorpg "god" does not mean the post is trolling.

 Seriously get over yourselves.

it wont go ftp the game will have at least 500k subs thats all it needs really.  the qquesting is mainly for the first class/job to get yout o 50 quicker after that good luck

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