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  Chuckanar

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7/04/13 9:37:41 PM#21

I need more input to give an opinion/statement.

What do you consider to be good and what is evil? IE the government has taken to monitor all your phone calls emails online business transactions, financial information etc etc to monitor you and your contacts interactions, is this considered "good" as the politicians claim it to be or is it bad as most civil rights groups claim it to be bad. What is your perception on this? that is one current example of what you may consider good I may consider not good aka evil.

Good and evil are taught at a familial level as well as a society level. So are we talking as white americans ? Italian american , native american or some other cultural basis>?

I cant answer your very broad and general question without more parameters.

 

  free2play

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7/04/13 9:46:22 PM#22

If it defined itself for what it was? It would be stable.

It wouldn't break 10 million but there is a demand for the ability to play out that cruel side of people in games. Griefer tactics in games prove it.

 

  ElderRat

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7/04/13 9:51:00 PM#23
already played it - City of Villains which was the evil; counterpart of City of heros. We were the super villains robbing banks and giving the superheros a reason to be. I actually liked it far more than City of heros.

Currently bored with MMO's.

  Ramanadjinn

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7/04/13 9:52:41 PM#24
i like this poll and i would absolutely be intrigued by such a game, whether the evil faction were the only choice or one could choose good vs. evil.
  tank017

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OP  7/05/13 12:25:22 PM#25
Originally posted by ElderRat
already played it - City of Villains which was the evil; counterpart of City of heros. We were the super villains robbing banks and giving the superheros a reason to be. I actually liked it far more than City of heros.

Yeah City of Villians is the closest thing to come to my thought.

 

I liked it better than CoH myself,because for once you could pve as an evil character.

  whilan

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7/05/13 12:35:53 PM#26
Originally posted by Ramanadjinn
i like this poll and i would absolutely be intrigued by such a game, whether the evil faction were the only choice or one could choose good vs. evil.

I'm for the later, especially if you start out neutral and can pick through your deeds which side you are on, like said above SW:TOR did this and it was cool. They just didn't go far enough with it I don't think. The single best part I like is influencing other people and turning them to your alignment. However you can go further if the story permits and go the fable way, your character morphs and throw in a little black and white (2 more so) and had territories change to that alignment.

Like i said SW:TOR i believe was on the right track with that sort of thing (they only did average on the MMO bit) but they need to go much further then that did and they needed it so you could actually switch sides, I understand why they couldn't but that would have worked really well and would have been fun, it was in city of X case anyway. Oh well, least they got closer then most with this sort of thing.

Some things I would like to see in such a game

You can influence people (NPC or PC if you want, Age of wushu did this by adding points if you were in a group with a good or evil person)

Your armor changes based on alignment

Towns you take change.

Your features change (again SW:TOR did this, just not far enough really)

The area around you is affected (good grows flowers/ evil makes the area barren)

 

I'm still waiting for a game to do that, until then i have Fable, overlord, Black and white, and SW:TOR.

 

Until though they really push this aspect in MMOs I don't think it will take off to any degree, and you can't really make it just evil imho because I've heard so many times that some people just can't be evil so you would be limiting in that market.  However to a degree such an MMO could be popular just as i stated not sure what the longevity of it would be.

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  Ortwig

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7/05/13 1:25:34 PM#27
I'd be intrigued by a MIchael Moorcock universe (Elric) where characters could pick from Law, Balance or Chaos factions.  It could certainly present some interesting moral dilemmas -- such a universe could be fascinating, but perhaps difficult to pull of well.  I could see Dune being done in a similar fashion.
  Quazal.A

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7/05/13 1:35:26 PM#28

Im too drunk to read all the posts, but how about "World of Darkness" surely playing vampires is pretty much as evil as it comes

 

Obvoiously we know little of the game play but im sure we wont be saving fairies and little sheep

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  Reklaw

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7/05/13 1:42:05 PM#29
Originally posted by tank017

Simple thought..

 

As we all know,every MMO and pretty much all games for that matter is good vs evil.Where the player is charged to save the world/clan/woman etc..

 

What if there was an MMO made where the player could only play the evil side? Whether it be a Tyrant nation  conquering lands of peaceful people? or a Demonic force looking to eradicate everyone and everything in its path? Or an alien force looking to take over galaxies,world by world?

 

I personally would be interested as it would be an interesting enough of a change.

 

 

I wouldn't know why not actually...

Think about it, there all kinds of "evil" most strive for power which results in evil vs evil.

So yeah I definitly think it is possible but it might be somewhat harder for developers to purely think "evil" as good vs evil is almost inprinted into our dna. So it takes a different kind of thinking to come up with evil vs evil in many way's that can be possible within the MMORPG realms

  Drakynn

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7/05/13 1:46:33 PM#30
I tihnk it could be very successful because we all know that in a MMO with a good side and an evil side,the majority of people seem to choose the Evil side because they look cooler.Which is why I usually choose he good side heh.
  emperorwings

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7/05/13 1:49:23 PM#31
Like my good dark elf in EQ2 which never got taken seriously since their attitude is "cut the feet off and the head soon follows"

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  Four0Six

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7/05/13 1:51:57 PM#32

City of Villains.

Successful until, NCSoft DESTROYER OF GAMES, shut it down.

  Four0Six

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7/05/13 1:54:48 PM#33
Originally posted by spitfire1064
An evil petting zoo!

Made me laugh.

I will see your "Evil Petting Zoo", and raise you to NOFX's "Heavy Petting Zoo".

  Icewhite

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7/05/13 1:55:08 PM#34
Most players aren't good enough actors to pull it off, nor self-controlled enough to know when to stop.

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  Warking24x7

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7/05/13 1:58:30 PM#35

The funny thing about this poll is Evil is often a perspective.

For example... The chicken would consider us evil for rounding them up stealing their babies (eggs and chicks), and eventually killing them and eating them.

 

Are we not evil to the chicken?

 

Obviously I could give a LONG list of GREAT people in our own history that were consider Evil by other standards...

 

Now in video games many games play both sides of the fence in PvP.  Allies verse Horde or Guardians verse Defiance

I do not think this idea is anything new... and it has been around even back at the beginning of MMOs... Everquests ogres, dark elves, and trolls...

 

 

 

 

  Icewhite

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7/05/13 1:59:19 PM#36
Originally posted by Drakynn
I tihnk it could be very successful because we all know that in a MMO with a good side and an evil side,the majority of people seem to choose the Evil side because they look cooler.

^

Kind of sick of red and black, aren't you all by now?

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  WhiteLantern

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7/05/13 2:01:26 PM#37
Originally posted by Icewhite
Most players aren't good enough actors to pull it off, nor self-controlled enough to know when to stop.

Don't let this cute, fuzzy exterior fool you, I can be evil!

I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil

  Drakynn

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7/05/13 2:01:40 PM#38
Originally posted by Four0Six

City of Villains.

Successful until, NCSoft DESTROYER OF GAMES, shut it down.

I had issues with City of Villains content personally at the beginning....it wasn't well written and never made you feel evil super villain...you were a mercenary at best or a petty thug at worst and a lot of the time you felt like you were doing the same things you did in City of Heroes.

However when they did a complete revamp of the rogue Islands years later and I returned to see what had changed...well it was like night and day.The new story lines and missions did definitely make you feel super villain like.Another reason I felt like the weak links left the game when Jack Emmert left and reformed Cryptic Studios elsewhere.

Paragon Studios was a great team.

  DawnDark

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7/05/13 2:03:13 PM#39

 

In a good story there is not really good or evil. The best villains think what they are doing is for some kind of good.

Maybe the axis of morality between the hero and villain are a bit twisted, but they are basically the same personally being in a different situation.

The best stories could be told from the villain's point of view and the audience would be cheering for the villain and completely understand why he does what he does. A story where this is done to great effect is Man Of War, in most stories we would be on the side of the law enforcement.

Therefor you cannot really make a successful MMO starting from only the villain point of view, because you need the counterbalance of a hero for it to work.

  tank017

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OP  7/05/13 2:47:45 PM#40
Originally posted by Warking24x7

The funny thing about this poll is Evil is often a perspective.

For example... The chicken would consider us evil for rounding them up stealing their babies (eggs and chicks), and eventually killing them and eating them.

 

Are we not evil to the chicken?

 

Obviously I could give a LONG list of GREAT people in our own history that were consider Evil by other standards...

 

Now in video games many games play both sides of the fence in PvP.  Allies verse Horde or Guardians verse Defiance

I do not think this idea is anything new... and it has been around even back at the beginning of MMOs... Everquests ogres, dark elves, and trolls...

 

 

 

 

Well Im talking 'evil' when it comes to our standards.

Things that are just morally wrong,things that we wouldnt stand for..

Games like WoW and Rift,they put a pretty good emphasis on each side not being pure evil or evil at all really.

As for EQ,yeah there was evil races,but it got lost or moot when you would just go out an fight along side your 'enemy' in groups you joined, "enemies" who would really just be more inclined to save your life and become your friend.

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