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General Discussion  » After SWG and Vanguard, How Do People Continue to Fall For SOE (Smedley) Hype?

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  Xssiv

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OP  7/02/13 8:21:24 AM#21
Originally posted by Iadien
Originally posted by Xssiv

First comes the denial, then the personal attacks come rolling in.  

 

I never mentioned anything about wanting Vanguard to die, so I'm not sure where you pulled that out of.   I actually did play the game at launch and it was a friggin mess to say the least.  

 

I was in early beta for Vanguard, that game was beyond a mess. It was months away from any kind of acceptable version for retail. Sigil ran out of money, that is not SoE's fault.

How is SOE completely innocent?   The game was published by SOE and required an SOE account to be able to play.   If it was such a mess (which it was), why wouldn't SOE push back the launch a bit?   

 

The level of denial in these posts are amazing.   Suddenly, SOE is the best gaming company on the planet and the problems with many of their past releases were all someone elses fault.   Sounds like the Mark Jacobs denial all over again. 

  DocBrody

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7/02/13 8:23:46 AM#22

they destroyed the Jedi accomplishment in SWG

 

they destroyed the profession variety in SWG

 

resulting in an even worse SW MMO coming out SWTOR, and shutdown of SWG

 

never forgive never forget

  User Deleted
7/02/13 8:25:08 AM#23
Originally posted by Xssiv
Originally posted by Iadien
Originally posted by Xssiv

First comes the denial, then the personal attacks come rolling in.  

 

I never mentioned anything about wanting Vanguard to die, so I'm not sure where you pulled that out of.   I actually did play the game at launch and it was a friggin mess to say the least.  

 

I was in early beta for Vanguard, that game was beyond a mess. It was months away from any kind of acceptable version for retail. Sigil ran out of money, that is not SoE's fault.

How is SOE completely innocent?   The game was published by SOE and required an SOE account to be able to play.   If it was such a mess (which it was), why wouldn't SOE push back the launch a bit?   

 

The level of denial in these posts are amazing.   Suddenly, SOE is the best gaming company on the planet and the problems with many of their past releases were all someone elses fault.   Sounds like the Mark Jacobs denial all over again. 

 

SOE was a co publisher they were not involved in the development.  Sigil ran out of money they had what 6 months after SOE became co publisher to fix the issues and non of them got fixed yet you want SOE to give them more money for another 6 months that would not of mattered ? 

SOE kept the game on lifesupport for years which sucked, but what did you want ?  They kept the game around for fans to enjoy and in the year and a half have started improving it and fixing the issues.   The game would not exist without SOE period blaming them for the mess the game was at launch is wrong.

  Gallus85

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7/02/13 8:27:37 AM#24
Originally posted by Darklighter1

OP just pointed out how your facts are wrong, but you chose to completely ignore that and just keep defending the indefensible.  If you defend $OE in ANY way, you need mental help.

I don't see anything that he said that was correct.  Link what you're talking about.  So far all I have seen out of both of you has been misinformation and trash talk based on zero facts.

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  User Deleted
7/02/13 8:27:57 AM#25
Originally posted by DocBrody

they destroyed the Jedi accomplishment in SWG

 

they destroyed the profession variety in SWG

 

resulting in an even worse SW MMO coming out SWTOR, and shutdown of SWG

 

never forgive never forget

 

So you're blaming soe for swtor now ? lol.   blaming them for shutting down SWG ?

 

SOE keeps games alive they do not shut them down.  Look at the history here they kept planetside 1 and vanguard active.   Do you really think if LA let them they wouldn't of kept SWG active ?  LA wanted SWG dead before SWTOR came out period.

 

The fact that swtor is a wow clone pretty much sums up that is exactly what LA wanted from SWG but never got it.

  User Deleted
7/02/13 8:30:11 AM#26
I feel just like you. I've been looking forward to playing it for so long, and now, I feel it#s going to disappoint me willy-nilly. Most free-to-play games do. There is only two exceptions, Guild Wars 2(a very good single player), and Defiance(a very good setting and a very enjoyable game). I believe there is no no game coming from Asia that I would want to play because I only like Western games. SOE has disappointed me in every game they have released, and even though, I have bought all of them. I know there is no mmo coming soon that I will want to play. So, I just re-subscribed to WoW again. WoW is the only good game out there, and it is going to be like this till Titan comes out. So, even when I don't feel like playing in a kung-fu-panda world, I will. Because there isn't a choice, but leaving mmos back, and I can't because I think this is the only hobby I enjoy nowadays.
  Roin

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7/02/13 8:30:51 AM#27
Originally posted by Gallus85
Originally posted by Xssiv

Not so many years ago SOE, at John Smedley's direction, gutted and ruined SWG, basically causing a legendary mass exodus from the game.  

A few years later, SOE aquires Sigil games and forces the premature release of Vanguard, which was regarded by many to be one of the worst launches of any major MMO. 

At the time of Vanguard's release (arguably the first iteration of EQN), Smedley promised long term support and upcoming expansion packs.  We all know how that went.

 

So how is it that everyone is suddenly so confident that EQN will be such a great game?   Do the words "Everquest" and "sandbox" mentioned in the same sentence suddenly activate a chemical in the brain that causes selective amnesia?

 

 

I agree with others in this thread.  You clearly have no working knowledge of SOE, VG or SWG.

It's only thanks to SOE and Smedley's work that Vanguard is even still around.  Vanguard was a great game.  It was too great.  The original dev team (Sigil, headed by Brad McQuaid, the original EQ designer) wanted to create a really huge world and fill it with tons of new concepts, many of which were extremely complex (like the crafting system).

As a result they ran out of time/funding about 6 months too early and was forced to ship the game in a condition that was no where near complete (in both features and bug control).  It quickly tanked in subs and SOE came in to salvage it the best they could but the damage had already been done.

SOE has a great history.  Games like Planetside, Planetside 2 and EQ are amazing.  EQ2 was better than WoW but due to WoW's much lower system requirements garnered a lot more fans.  SWG was an amazing game and one many of us really miss.  Sure SOE hasn't been PERFECT (NGE, cough*) but no company has a perfect record in this respect.

SOE delivers quality products, and this time they're taking their original product, EQ, which is one of the most fondly remembered MMORPGs ever, and making a huge next gen sandbox with it.

Only a blind fanboy wouldn't be hyped for that.  Or someone who just really loves themeparks.  

Also, someone mentioned that "6 more months would not have mattered for Vanguard" and I disagree. The reason it took more than 6 months after release to get fixed up was because the staff was gutted quickly after launch and had to deal with damage control on top of fixing things.  If they had 6 more months it would have been drastically better.

Doesn't fanboy pretty much describe your whole post? If games you like playing or anyone likes playing is a measure of a companies history. Then wouldn't that make EA leaps and bounds better? If EQ2 was truly better then WoW, do you really think system requirements would stop people from playing it.

Anyone that thinks SOE kept Vanguard open for the players or out of the kindness of their heart. Quite frankly are delusional.

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  baphamet

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7/02/13 8:30:58 AM#28

soe saved vanguard from being the shortest lived mmo in history, its hilarious how people want to act like they developed vanguard, they simply didn't and that failure is 100% on sigil and brad mcquaid (who works for soe now)

other than that you can whine about soe all day, it gives you somersetting to complain about until any real information comes out, right?

  Gallus85

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7/02/13 8:31:51 AM#29
Originally posted by DocBrody

they destroyed the Jedi accomplishment in SWG

 

they destroyed the profession variety in SWG

 

resulting in an even worse SW MMO coming out SWTOR, and shutdown of SWG

 

never forgive never forget

LA did.  Even if it was SOE, not every company is perfect.  You have to look at their accomplishments vs their mishaps to be objective.

SOE created EQ, planetside and Planetside 2, all great games.  EQ practically invented (or at least popularized) the entire MMO genre.  EQ is one of the most fondly remember games and is still live today with like 19 expansions.

Contrast that to what they "messed up".  LA messed up SWG, while SOE had little/no control over it.

And what else?

They salvaged the disaster that was Vanguard at launch and it's still live today getting updates.

Stepping back and looking at what SOE has done, vs what they have messed up, they are top notch compared to most companies.

Just saying.

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  Tierless

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7/02/13 8:32:17 AM#30

Finally someone says it. I didn't wanna be the guy, but man O man I've been thinking that exact same thing!

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  Zorgo

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Who did wrong? The advertiser hired to sell the game or the consumer who put faith in advertising?

7/02/13 8:35:06 AM#31
Originally posted by Xssiv

Not so many years ago SOE, at John Smedley's direction, gutted and ruined SWG, basically causing a legendary mass exodus from the game.  

A few years later, SOE aquires Sigil games and forces the premature release of Vanguard, which was regarded by many to be one of the worst launches of any major MMO. 

At the time of Vanguard's release (arguably the first iteration of EQN), Smedley promised long term support and upcoming expansion packs.  We all know how that went.

 

So how is it that everyone is suddenly so confident that EQN will be such a great game?   Do the words "Everquest" and "sandbox" mentioned in the same sentence suddenly activate a chemical in the brain that causes selective amnesia?

 

 

I have found that often there are people who jump to conclusions without all the facts. Some believe industry press, some believe industry conspiracy gossip. 

I don't see much difference in the validity of your assumptions any more than those who buy into hype.

  Dejoblue

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7/02/13 8:38:47 AM#32

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/10/arts/10star.html?_r=0

 

Credit to Halasradar on EQ forums:

 

About Betrayal... and SWG

Nancy MacIntyre, the game's senior director at LucasArts, responded to the changes in the game and the angry objections by disgruntled players. I quote her remarks from the article at length, since, um, you have to see them to believe them.

Ms. MacIntyre: "We really just needed to make the game a lot more accessible to a much broader player base ... There was lots of reading, much too much, in the game. There was a lot of wandering around learning about different abilities. We really needed to give people the experience of being Han Solo or Luke Skywalker rather than being Uncle Owen, the moisture farmer. We wanted more instant gratification: kill, get treasure, repeat. We needed to give people more of an option to be part of what they have seen in the movies rather than something they had created themselves."


http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1215/p25s01-algn.html


 

  User Deleted
7/02/13 8:39:03 AM#33

All you people blaming SOE for the NGE link proof.  This is the internet I am sure you can find it if it exist find proof SOE was the ones who pushed for the NGE.

Otherwise just go away your assumptions are biased and blind.  Hate just to hate.

  Darklighter1

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7/02/13 8:39:12 AM#34
Originally posted by Gallus85
Originally posted by Darklighter1
Originally posted by Gallus85
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by Darklighter1
Originally posted by Gallus85
Originally posted by Darklighter1

Good Lord....people are ACTUALLY defending Smedley.  Just another example of how trolls are stupid....and how trolls have taken over this site.  And when EQ:N fails, who's fault will it be? 

 

George Bush's????

It's easy to defend someone based on facts.

Also, was that an attempt to defend George Bush?  The worst president in history?  Give me a break.

Nope...just pointing out that it doesn't matter how many of you people all say the same thing, it doesn't make you correct.  It just makes you a Mob of Misinformed Misfits.  And the George Bush part was to give you someone to blame all your troubles on.....don't worry he's used to it by now.

Ok fine everyone is mis informed. Let us say you are right. So where is your source of information to put all misinformed misfits in their place?

Got something?

Exactly.  They're all talk.  Children often think throwing around insults is what wins an argument.  Unfortunately for them, most EQ veterans are adults and understand that facts and evidence win the day.  Not chest pounding and name calling.

So, in your last 2 threads, you have called me a child and OBVIOUSLY I'm a churchgoer!  Only religious people are this stupid.....right?  You're throwing the insults, pal.

 

And I've played EQ1, EQ2, DAoC, WoW, SWG, CoX.......and other MMOs I can't remember at the moment.....and NEVER did I see ANY MMO take a hug dump on it's playerbase like $OE did when it snuck the NGE into SWG.  If you think $OE had NOTHING to do with that, you're delusional.  Seriously, seek help.

As already pointed out by others on this thread, and myself, LA headed up the NGE changes.  Also, as I already mentioned, even if* they had, it's one mistake.  Damning an entire company on 1 or 2 little mistakes, when they have given us multiple amazing titles and continued support for them for years on end is silly at best.

Sorry but you are drowning in misinformation and blind hate. Emphasis on blind.

Clearly you didn't play SWG when the NGE hit.  There was nothing "little" about what they did.  2 years of in game progression destroyed overnight.  Some things are unforgivable.  But please, keep telling me how great $OE is and how it's ME that is blind.

  Lobotomist

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7/02/13 8:41:09 AM#35
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No Smed , no EQN

Pardon me , but i dont see any other MMO company standing in line for AAA sandbox MMO

  User Deleted
7/02/13 8:41:42 AM#36
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  Caldrin

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7/02/13 8:44:20 AM#37
Originally posted by Xssiv

Not so many years ago SOE, at John Smedley's direction, gutted and ruined SWG, basically causing a legendary mass exodus from the game.  

A few years later, SOE aquires Sigil games and forces the premature release of Vanguard, which was regarded by many to be one of the worst launches of any major MMO. 

At the time of Vanguard's release (arguably the first iteration of EQN), Smedley promised long term support and upcoming expansion packs.  We all know how that went.

 

So how is it that everyone is suddenly so confident that EQN will be such a great game?   Do the words "Everquest" and "sandbox" mentioned in the same sentence suddenly activate a chemical in the brain that causes selective amnesia?

 

 

SWG was more of a LA thing than SOE.. I would have thought greedy george seen how good WOW was doing and wanted some of the pie..

SOE aquired vanguard in a bad state it was not their fault.

 

Sure SOE was to blame as well for both of those things but after following the Development and release of Planetside 2 I know SOE can deliver a good game so they have regained some of my trust.

 

I am looking forward to seeing more info about EQN.. i dont get crazy hyped up about any MMORPG, well infact any type of game for that matter.. but still i want to see what they can do.

 

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  Gallus85

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Joined: 3/13/11
Posts: 964

7/02/13 8:44:23 AM#38
Originally posted by Zorgo
Originally posted by Xssiv

Not so many years ago SOE, at John Smedley's direction, gutted and ruined SWG, basically causing a legendary mass exodus from the game.  

A few years later, SOE aquires Sigil games and forces the premature release of Vanguard, which was regarded by many to be one of the worst launches of any major MMO. 

At the time of Vanguard's release (arguably the first iteration of EQN), Smedley promised long term support and upcoming expansion packs.  We all know how that went.

 

So how is it that everyone is suddenly so confident that EQN will be such a great game?   Do the words "Everquest" and "sandbox" mentioned in the same sentence suddenly activate a chemical in the brain that causes selective amnesia?

 

 

I have found that often there are people who jump to conclusions without all the facts. Some believe industry press, some believe industry conspiracy gossip. 

I don't see much difference in the validity of your assumptions any more than those who buy into hype.

Well the "hype" at this point is more like "hope", because we haven't actually seen anything yet to be "hyped" about.  But you have to look at it contrasted to the state of things.

EQN will apparently be sandbox in some way and the game world will be huge (Stated by Smedley, and these are things I'm sure he can say for a fact) so this is more than likely true, and it already gives us a lot of hope.  Look at the state of sandbox games right now.  What do we have?  Mortal Online tanked hard.  EvE is good, but it's sci-fi and a bit old.  Darkfall was a disaster.

What do we have besides that?  Not much, if anything.

Then, it's an EQ game.  Lots of us remember EQ fondly and would love to see a next gen version in some form.

In any case, until we actually see some gameplay, I don't think it's fair to label EQN fans as buying into hype.  We're simply tired of themepark, anti-social, single player Online RPGs parading around as "MMORPGs" and we're hoping EQN can be something truly worth playing.

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  Groot

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Joined: 2/18/10
Posts: 78

7/02/13 8:45:45 AM#39

I am excited to see what EQ:N will bring to the genre, but I still remember it's Smedley and SOE.  

 

Seeing all this defense of SOE on an MMORPG forum is crazy to me haha.  They were the DEVIL.

  wizyy

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Joined: 6/27/05
Posts: 633

7/02/13 8:49:19 AM#40

The "hype" EQ Next is getting is in my eyes MOSTLY created by MMORPG.com and Tentonhammer.com.

They were the ones that awarded EQN the "Best of Show" for this year E3.

I refuse to be excited by nothing more than a few words :)

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