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  Kilmar

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6/30/13 5:21:45 AM#501

PvP on PvP grounds is good, everyone is prepared to fight others. PvP on questing grounds just sucks, it always will lead to be gankers' heaven. And this leads to a mix of:

 

You lose a lot?

It's scary?

To much adrenalin? 

It makes you angry?

PvP'rs are mean?

  Tierless

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6/30/13 7:58:20 AM#502


Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard

Originally posted by Tierless It ruins the illusion that they are the uber hero of the entire game world when they get owned. It also snaps them back to who they might be IRL, that being not the best eva. I'm fine with it, I know Im not a great PVPer. I prefer to think of myself as a greatly annoying PVPer, a role that I embrace.
Most people do things "IRL" that have much higher value than acting like an ass or a hero in a video game. One of those people you just insulted the real life of may be the doctor who will save your life someday. Or a veteran who saved your country.

Same for the guy you just ganked when he was already fighting three mobs, and then camped the body of... he's a real person behind the screen, and there's a good chance that he's doing something much more important in his real life than being an ass to others in a game.

Food for thoughts...


Don't jump to conclusions. When I say "annoying PVPer" I mean I like to play a debuffer or CC guy so I can help out the group even though I'm not great at actually killing.

Your entire pretense is based on the idea that I'm some mean ganker person lol. I haven't bothered doing that in 8 years. Even if I tried I'd be the one to die #failgank. I hate ganking, I think PVP should be a choice but in MMO limited MMO experience most of the people that dislike PVP only dislike it when they are losing ;)

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  Tierless

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6/30/13 8:00:08 AM#503


Originally posted by craftseeker

Originally posted by Tierless  I prefer to think of myself as a greatly annoying PVPer, a role that I embrace.
Yep and there you have it folks.  The reason why I do not like PvP, the douche bag factor.

I thank you for jumping to conclusions as well. I appreciate how close minded the poor "victims that hate pvp" are. I don't gank, if I did I'd end up losing because I'm not a great pvper. What I do that I consider annoying is I CC and Debuff because it helps the group and also helps make up for my lack of killing skills.

...Despite being against PVP you both jump to get into a forum PVP conflict with me by being judgmental and jumping to conclusions. Thanks, way to rep the non pvp crowd. /frustrated

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  Adalwulff

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6/30/13 8:08:20 AM#504

Bunch of extremely self-centered babies is what the current MMO crowd is.

Every single game that gets listed here is immediately attacked if it has PvP or a sub.

The constant whining has got to a point where its impossible to even discuss a game anymore.

The lamest excuse so far is that there are not enough PvPers to support a game, which is absolutely false!

Its the PvEers that hop from game to game, once they have finished the content, they whine then move on.

The PvPers are the most loyal of all the MMO crowd. The proof is in games like EVE and DAOC, which are heavy PvP games are are still around after years, and they still have a sub!

You just watch, my comment here will attract all the babies and they will whine and whine trying to prove me wrong. Its getting kinda pathetic.

  AlBQuirky

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6/30/13 8:16:04 AM#505


Originally posted by Tierless

Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard

Originally posted by Tierless
It ruins the illusion that they are the uber hero of the entire game world when they get owned. It also snaps them back to who they might be IRL, that being not the best eva. I'm fine with it, I know Im not a great PVPer. I prefer to think of myself as a greatly annoying PVPer, a role that I embrace.

Most people do things "IRL" that have much higher value than acting like an ass or a hero in a video game. One of those people you just insulted the real life of may be the doctor who will save your life someday. Or a veteran who saved your country.

Same for the guy you just ganked when he was already fighting three mobs, and then camped the body of... he's a real person behind the screen, and there's a good chance that he's doing something much more important in his real life than being an ass to others in a game.

Food for thoughts...



Don't jump to conclusions. When I say "annoying PVPer" I mean I like to play a debuffer or CC guy so I can help out the group even though I'm not great at actually killing.

Your entire pretense is based on the idea that I'm some mean ganker person lol. I haven't bothered doing that in 8 years. Even if I tried I'd be the one to die #failgank. I hate ganking, I think PVP should be a choice but in MMO limited MMO experience most of the people that dislike PVP only dislike it when they are losing ;)



He's not the only one who thought what he did. You made no mention of PvP in groups or buffing/debuffing. You made snide inferences about "the other player" being a "loser IRL" which is a very "ganker" thing to say.

Or are you just backpedaling now?

- Al

Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.
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  lizardbones

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6/30/13 8:20:30 AM#506


Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by maccarthur2004

Originally posted by Thorqemada  there will be no successfull FFA-PvP MMORPG in the west.
UO, L2 and EVE are proofs you're wrong.  
Uh?UO & Eve are not that successful.

UO never get more than 300k subs. Eve spent almost a decade and get to only half a million. TOR, many considered a failure, hit 2M in a month.

 




UO got 278k subs at a time when developers and publishers thought 200k subs was impossible. By today's standards UO is not successful, by the standards at the time it was released, it was ridiculously successful. I don't know if I would hold it up as an example now though, since it's biggest success came after it introduced Trammel, not during the PvP hay days.

Right now, Eve has as many subs as SWToR. If you removed WoW from the market, Eve and SWToR are the most successful MMORPGs running in the West right now. Eve has done far better than the developer thought it would, while SWToR did far worse than the developer thought it would. Eve is spawning some additional MMORPGs, though slowly. SWToR pretty much put the nail in the coffin of any new SW themed MMORPGs. It's all about context.

I have no real idea about L2, but it's apparently successful.

I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

  maplestone

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6/30/13 8:27:29 AM#507
Originally posted by Adalwulff

You just watch, my comment here will attract all the babies and they will whine and whine trying to prove me wrong. Its getting kinda pathetic.

And this is why you hate PvP?

( hint: look at the title of the thread )

  Tierless

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joie de vivre

6/30/13 9:01:36 AM#508


Originally posted by AlBQuirky

Originally posted by Tierless

Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard

Originally posted by Tierless
It ruins the illusion that they are the uber hero of the entire game world when they get owned. It also snaps them back to who they might be IRL, that being not the best eva. I'm fine with it, I know Im not a great PVPer. I prefer to think of myself as a greatly annoying PVPer, a role that I embrace.

Most people do things "IRL" that have much higher value than acting like an ass or a hero in a video game. One of those people you just insulted the real life of may be the doctor who will save your life someday. Or a veteran who saved your country.

Same for the guy you just ganked when he was already fighting three mobs, and then camped the body of... he's a real person behind the screen, and there's a good chance that he's doing something much more important in his real life than being an ass to others in a game.

Food for thoughts...



Don't jump to conclusions. When I say "annoying PVPer" I mean I like to play a debuffer or CC guy so I can help out the group even though I'm not great at actually killing.

Your entire pretense is based on the idea that I'm some mean ganker person lol. I haven't bothered doing that in 8 years. Even if I tried I'd be the one to die #failgank. I hate ganking, I think PVP should be a choice but in MMO limited MMO experience most of the people that dislike PVP only dislike it when they are losing ;)



He's not the only one who thought what he did. You made no mention of PvP in groups or buffing/debuffing. You made snide inferences about "the other player" being a "loser IRL" which is a very "ganker" thing to say.

Or are you just backpedaling now?


No just the opposite. The "loser IRL" I'm talking about is me. I'm the guy who had the dead end job and recall getting mauled and going "crap I'm not as good at this as I thought, I suxk IRL and in game!". I was pretty young and frustrated with life back then so the virtual world was the place where I felt better about myself. Once I got owned in it I thought, "man, I suck at everything". That was a long time ago and I'm a different person now, but back then, I was the guy that didn't like to PVP because it was depressing lol. Now I accept that I'm not a great PVPer but can contribute to the whole via CC or debuffs which I actually really like doing. It feels good and I get to help out.

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  AlBQuirky

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6/30/13 9:37:05 AM#509


Originally posted by Tierless

Originally posted by AlBQuirky

Originally posted by Tierless

Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard

Originally posted by Tierless
It ruins the illusion that they are the uber hero of the entire game world when they get owned. It also snaps them back to who they might be IRL, that being not the best eva. I'm fine with it, I know Im not a great PVPer. I prefer to think of myself as a greatly annoying PVPer, a role that I embrace.

Most people do things "IRL" that have much higher value than acting like an ass or a hero in a video game. One of those people you just insulted the real life of may be the doctor who will save your life someday. Or a veteran who saved your country.

Same for the guy you just ganked when he was already fighting three mobs, and then camped the body of... he's a real person behind the screen, and there's a good chance that he's doing something much more important in his real life than being an ass to others in a game.

Food for thoughts...



Don't jump to conclusions. When I say "annoying PVPer" I mean I like to play a debuffer or CC guy so I can help out the group even though I'm not great at actually killing.

Your entire pretense is based on the idea that I'm some mean ganker person lol. I haven't bothered doing that in 8 years. Even if I tried I'd be the one to die #failgank. I hate ganking, I think PVP should be a choice but in MMO limited MMO experience most of the people that dislike PVP only dislike it when they are losing ;)



He's not the only one who thought what he did. You made no mention of PvP in groups or buffing/debuffing. You made snide inferences about "the other player" being a "loser IRL" which is a very "ganker" thing to say.

Or are you just backpedaling now?



No just the opposite. The "loser IRL" I'm talking about is me. I'm the guy who had the dead end job and recall getting mauled and going "crap I'm not as good at this as I thought, I suxk IRL and in game!". I was pretty young and frustrated with life back then so the virtual world was the place where I felt better about myself. Once I got owned in it I thought, "man, I suck at everything". That was a long time ago and I'm a different person now, but back then, I was the guy that didn't like to PVP because it was depressing lol. Now I accept that I'm not a great PVPer but can contribute to the whole via CC or debuffs which I actually really like doing. It feels good and I get to help out.

Understood... now.

You must admit that calling yourself "the annoying PvPer" brings up visions of gankers, not a CC/debuffer without explanation :) I don't find that kind of PvPer annoying, just doing their job. Unless they are in a group of PvPers facing one opponent...

- Al

Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.
- FARGIN_WAR

  lizardbones

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6/30/13 10:02:07 AM#510

It might be helpful to note that what a lot of people talk about when they talk about not liking PvP is individual encounters. Dueling even. There don't seem to be nearly as many complaints about group PvP in general.

Not sure where to slot that into the conversation, so I'm just dropping it in the pile.

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  Jean-Luc_Picard

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6/30/13 10:09:36 AM#511
Originally posted by Tierless

Don't jump to conclusions. When I say "annoying PVPer" I mean I like to play a debuffer or CC guy so I can help out the group even though I'm not great at actually killing.

Your entire pretense is based on the idea that I'm some mean ganker person lol. I haven't bothered doing that in 8 years. Even if I tried I'd be the one to die #failgank. I hate ganking, I think PVP should be a choice but in MMO limited MMO experience most of the people that dislike PVP only dislike it when they are losing ;)

I've just happen to have read the OP of that other thread you made, where you proudly say that you get emotion/adrenaline when ganking players already fighting, aka, I quote, "knee deep in mobs". So yes, you're a ganker, and not a very brave one either since you gank people already at a huge disadvantage.

I don't make anything up, it's right here: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/388846/Last-time-you-felt-real-emotionanxietyadrenaline.html

When you deny something, make sure you don't leave obvious evidence behind in another thread you're the OP of on the first page of the same forum... ;)

PS: nice attempt to try to pass as a victim by the way... it could have worked without that other thread of yours.

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  Adalwulff

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6/30/13 1:45:31 PM#512
Originally posted by maplestone
Originally posted by Adalwulff

You just watch, my comment here will attract all the babies and they will whine and whine trying to prove me wrong. Its getting kinda pathetic.

And this is why you hate PvP?

( hint: look at the title of the thread )

 

You completely misunderstood my comment....

I don't play MMOs unless it has PvP

  Squarll

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6/30/13 1:56:18 PM#513

Mmo's with ganking are the most fun :)   if you can draw the gankers out and kill them its so much fun somthing you cant get from pve

bring on the pvp and just try and gank meh :D

  maplestone

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6/30/13 2:52:29 PM#514
Originally posted by Adalwulff
Originally posted by maplestone
Originally posted by Adalwulff

You just watch, my comment here will attract all the babies and they will whine and whine trying to prove me wrong. Its getting kinda pathetic.

And this is why you hate PvP?

( hint: look at the title of the thread )

You completely misunderstood my comment....

I don't play MMOs unless it has PvP

If I was the sort of person who enjoyed forum PvP, this is the point where I'd be having a lot of fun.  Alas, all I feel is sort of awkward and embarassed (again).

  VengeSunsoar

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6/30/13 2:59:18 PM#515
Originally posted by Adalwulff

Bunch of extremely self-centered babies is what the current MMO crowd is.

Every single game that gets listed here is immediately attacked if it has PvP or a sub.

The constant whining has got to a point where its impossible to even discuss a game anymore.

The lamest excuse so far is that there are not enough PvPers to support a game, which is absolutely false!

Its the PvEers that hop from game to game, once they have finished the content, they whine then move on.

The PvPers are the most loyal of all the MMO crowd. The proof is in games like EVE and DAOC, which are heavy PvP games are are still around after years, and they still have a sub!

You just watch, my comment here will attract all the babies and they will whine and whine trying to prove me wrong. Its getting kinda pathetic.

 

Bunch of extremely self-centered babies is what the current MMO crowd is.

Every single game that gets listed here is immediately attacked if it has just pve or is f2p.

The constant whining has got to a point where its impossible to even discuss a game anymore.

Its the PvPers that hop from game to game, trying to find content and people to pvp with, they whine then move on.

The PVEers are the most loyal of all the MMO crowd. The proof is in games like EQ , which is a heavy Pve games is still around after years with a very healthy population, and still has a sub option!

You just watch, my comment here will attract all the babies and they will whine and whine trying to prove me wrong. Its getting kinda pathetic.

- I guess people only see what they want to see or are afraid it might be true.  Hmm a paraphrase of Wizards first rule.  Think I'll read that book again.

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  lizardbones

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6/30/13 3:05:42 PM#516


Originally posted by Adalwulff

Originally posted by maplestone

Originally posted by Adalwulff You just watch, my comment here will attract all the babies and they will whine and whine trying to prove me wrong. Its getting kinda pathetic.
And this is why you hate PvP? ( hint: look at the title of the thread )
 

You completely misunderstood my comment....

I don't play MMOs unless it has PvP




Is there even an MMO that doesn't have PvP in one form or another?

I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

  Guler

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6/30/13 3:33:21 PM#517

Put me down for another vote of "I just don't have time to PvP."

 

Back when I was between jobs I was playing league of legends almost every day, and I was pretty darn awesome at the PvP mode. Then I found employment again (yay!) and had less time to play and practice. My 4 games a day turned into 1 game a day, turned into 1 game a week. I realized there was no way for me to maintain my skills for competitive PvP play with only having time for 1 game a week, so eventually I stopped playing and moved onto more of a PvE focused game.

 

To be really good at a PvP game requires a large time commitment, be it a time commitment for the latest and greatest gear, or the time commitment to master the muscle memory and clicks per minutes to compete with the rest. If I don't have the time to commit, then I don't PvP because I know I won't come close to being competitive to someone who does have the time to commit, it's as simple as that. 

  Attend4455

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6/30/13 3:35:41 PM#518

I wonder who the OP is addressing. I don't hate PvP, I don't hate PvE.

Why would the OP think I* hate anything?

 

*I in this case the random forum reader as he doesn't seem to address his post to anyone in particular

I sometimes make spelling and grammar errors but I don't pretend it's because I'm using a phone

  nationalcity

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Posts: 337

6/30/13 3:39:48 PM#519
Originally posted by Adalwulff

Bunch of extremely self-centered babies is what the current MMO crowd is.

Every single game that gets listed here is immediately attacked if it has PvP or a sub.

The constant whining has got to a point where its impossible to even discuss a game anymore.

The lamest excuse so far is that there are not enough PvPers to support a game, which is absolutely false!

Its the PvEers that hop from game to game, once they have finished the content, they whine then move on.

The PvPers are the most loyal of all the MMO crowd. The proof is in games like EVE and DAOC, which are heavy PvP games are are still around after years, and they still have a sub!

You just watch, my comment here will attract all the babies and they will whine and whine trying to prove me wrong. Its getting kinda pathetic.

Whats actually pathetic is you hurling insults because heaven forbid some don't like PVP

 

 

  maplestone

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Posts: 3109

6/30/13 3:48:28 PM#520
Originally posted by Attend4455

I wonder who the OP is addressing. I don't hate PvP, I don't hate PvE.

Have you considered the possibility the OP is addressing people who hate PvP?  Is that really such a radical notion?

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