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  waynejr2

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6/29/13 2:56:27 PM#21
Originally posted by mCalvert
Originally posted by legendsolo
there is already a list http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/349518

Ah well then, 1. mmorpg search box sucks and 2. mods, please sticky THAT thread, although mines a bit more strict I guess. Fallen Earth is not an obvious sandbox. It just has some elements.

 You don't like it so it sucks.  Ok.  The world doesn't really work that way.

  legendsolo

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6/29/13 2:58:34 PM#22
Originally posted by azzamasin
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Originally posted by bcbully

Age of Wushu. 

 

add to your list. It's probably the best on the list. if you like people more than space ships 15-20 million worldwide. 

How exactly is age of wushu a sandbox? You can't build things in that game.

 Show me in the definition of where you need to be able to build something to label it a sandbox.  Sandbox means non-linear, open ended gameplay. Period.

that's how you define 'sandbox'.

how i see it: you have openworlds and sandboxes. In an open world the player can roam freely through the virtual world and is given freedom in how or when to approach objectives.No invisible walls and loading screens that block you from certain parts of the world.In a sandbox, the player has tools to modify the world themselves and create how they play. openworlds dont necessarily imply a sandbox. For me AoW is a openworld.

  DocBrody

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6/29/13 3:00:51 PM#23

World of Darkness

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  Squeak69

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6/29/13 3:03:32 PM#24
Originally posted by azzamasin
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Originally posted by bcbully

Age of Wushu. 

 

add to your list. It's probably the best on the list. if you like people more than space ships 15-20 million worldwide. 

How exactly is age of wushu a sandbox? You can't build things in that game.

 Show me in the definition of where you need to be able to build something to label it a sandbox.  Sandbox means non-linear, open ended gameplay. Period.

so in your term a sandbox is a open world theme park with no content, ok then I have a simple solution for you go play WoW and ignore the content there you go perfect sandbox. tell all your friends.

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  DMKano

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6/29/13 3:03:43 PM#25
Originally posted by legendsolo
Originally posted by azzamasin
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Originally posted by bcbully

Age of Wushu. 

 

add to your list. It's probably the best on the list. if you like people more than space ships 15-20 million worldwide. 

How exactly is age of wushu a sandbox? You can't build things in that game.

 Show me in the definition of where you need to be able to build something to label it a sandbox.  Sandbox means non-linear, open ended gameplay. Period.

that's how you define 'sandbox'.

how i see it: you have openworlds and sandboxes. In an open world the player can roam freely through the virtual world and is given freedom in how or when to approach objectives.No invisible walls and loading screens that block you from certain parts of the world.In a sandbox, the player has tools to modify the world themselves and create how they play. openworlds dont necessarily imply a sandbox. For me AoW is a openworld.

Excellent way of explaining it - I agree with this 100%.

I talked to several developers and they agreed the key to sandbox games is that players are given the tools to change the game, the more aspects they can change the more of a sandbox you have.

a 100% sandbox game is where the player can change EVERY aspect down to physics in zones (being able to turn off gravity for example), nothing is off limits.

I am not aware if any MMOs that are 100% sandbox games.

  DamonVile

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6/29/13 3:04:14 PM#26

You should probably restrict your list to games that have actually launched. Everyone knows that when you say sandbox ppl go all zealot fan over the game, but until you actually play the game we don't really know it's going to be a "sandbox "

Neverwinter could of called itself a sandbox. The foundry is a building tool. I wouldn't want to see it on a sandbox list though.

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  SomeHuman

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6/29/13 3:05:34 PM#27

Shores of Hazeron is another.

 

On sandbox definition: My opinion is that a sandbox must have some sort of free build or world editing element.  Other games are simply open-world, non-linear games.  If I see a tree, can I cut it down is always a good test.  Even games like DF and MO, where you can only build in certain areas, are semi-sandbox in my opinion.

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  Jean-Luc_Picard

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6/29/13 3:17:02 PM#28

Too much trash stickied already, so I vote against the stickying of this.

Also, Darkfall and Mortal Online are not sandboxes, they are PvP gank fests. The developers of DFO and MO wouldn't know a sandbox if they saw one.

Anarchy Online isn't a sandbox either, even if I played that game for years and loved it.

And Age of Wushu definitely isn't a sandbox either.

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  Myria

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6/29/13 3:21:38 PM#29

World of Warcraft. It's as much a "sandbox" as most of the rest of that list

 

Not that, beyond something like Second Life or Minecraft, that the term "sandbox" is anything more than mental masturbation anyway.

  nerovipus32

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6/29/13 3:23:26 PM#30
Originally posted by azzamasin
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Originally posted by bcbully

Age of Wushu. 

 

add to your list. It's probably the best on the list. if you like people more than space ships 15-20 million worldwide. 

How exactly is age of wushu a sandbox? You can't build things in that game.

 Show me in the definition of where you need to be able to build something to label it a sandbox.  Sandbox means non-linear, open ended gameplay. Period.

Sandbox by definition means you can build and alter the world within a predefined space, or if not, then It's like going into a real sandbox and having your sandcastles already built for you.

  Loktofeit

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6/29/13 3:24:46 PM#31
Originally posted by mCalvert
Originally posted by legendsolo
there is already a list http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/349518

Ah well then, 1. mmorpg search box sucks and 2. mods, please sticky THAT thread, although mines a bit more strict I guess. Fallen Earth is not an obvious sandbox. It just has some elements.

Everyone has their own criteria for it. The great part about that other thread is it has a set criteria and we've adhered to the criteria it assigns for the purpose of the thread. IMO, it's one of the most useful threads on the subject we've had here in years.

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  Jean-Luc_Picard

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There... are... four... lights!

6/29/13 3:30:33 PM#32
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by mCalvert
Originally posted by legendsolo
there is already a list http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/349518

Ah well then, 1. mmorpg search box sucks and 2. mods, please sticky THAT thread, although mines a bit more strict I guess. Fallen Earth is not an obvious sandbox. It just has some elements.

Everyone has their own criteria for it. The great part about that other thread is it has a set criteria and we've adhered to the criteria it assigns for the purpose of the thread. IMO, it's one of the most useful threads on the subject we've had here in years.

This present thread would be "useful" if there weren't games which are obviously not sandboxes in the list. AO, while a good game, definitely isn't a sandbox. If you have UO and AO on the same list saying it's all sandbox MMOs, then the list is not credible. And don't get me started with Age of Wushu...

And threads trying to define what a sandbox should be have already been done by the dozen.

So yeah, this is just another thread trying to define what a sandbox is, and failing at it.

I agree the other list is MUCH better than this one, even though Mortal Online is still a "tricky" entry in any list because of it's failure to control PvP and therefore ending in a PvP gank fest instead of a sandbox allowing every play style to have fun.

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  nerovipus32

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6/29/13 3:33:25 PM#33
Darkfall also isn't a sandbox game, it's an open world pvp game. If you want an example of a sandbox then swg is your measuring stick..that game was a pure unadulterated sandbox.
  Jean-Luc_Picard

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There... are... four... lights!

6/29/13 3:35:34 PM#34
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Darkfall also isn't a sandbox game, it's an open world pvp game. If you want an example of a sandbox then swg is your measuring stick..that game was a pure unadulterated sandbox.

It's say there are 3 different "measuring sticks" then... UO (the ancestor), SWG and EvE. And since SWG died, there are only two left. Everything else is sub par, second rate, even if some attempts can be decent.

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  azzamasin

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6/29/13 3:38:00 PM#35
Originally posted by DamonVile
Originally posted by azzamasin
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Originally posted by bcbully

Age of Wushu. 

 

add to your list. It's probably the best on the list. if you like people more than space ships 15-20 million worldwide. 

How exactly is age of wushu a sandbox? You can't build things in that game.

 Show me in the definition of where you need to be able to build something to label it a sandbox.  Sandbox means non-linear, open ended gameplay. Period.

That's your definition. In my sandbox I built things...a game without "sand" isn't a sandbox to me.

 And you'd be wrong.

If your idea of a Sandbox is open FFA Full Loot PvP, full crafted world with minimal support for anything combat then your sandbox ideas are bad! Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

  azzamasin

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6/29/13 3:42:11 PM#36

Simple google searches for certain games and sandbox kind of prove that those games are sandbox, regardless of their ability to build stuff.

 

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/02/07/asherons-call-readies-radical-february-revamp/

 

"Turbine is taking that gamble with its venerable Asheron's Call sandbox, though, as the title's February update is bringing sweeping changes to the world of Auberean".

If your idea of a Sandbox is open FFA Full Loot PvP, full crafted world with minimal support for anything combat then your sandbox ideas are bad! Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

  Jean-Luc_Picard

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6/29/13 3:42:11 PM#37
Originally posted by azzamasin
Originally posted by DamonVile
Originally posted by azzamasin
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Originally posted by bcbully

Age of Wushu. 

 

add to your list. It's probably the best on the list. if you like people more than space ships 15-20 million worldwide. 

How exactly is age of wushu a sandbox? You can't build things in that game.

 Show me in the definition of where you need to be able to build something to label it a sandbox.  Sandbox means non-linear, open ended gameplay. Period.

That's your definition. In my sandbox I built things...a game without "sand" isn't a sandbox to me.

 And you'd be wrong.

Of course he's right. Why call something a sandbox if you can't build anything?

The base of the appelation is the "sand" the player can mold. No "sand"... no sandbox.

I played AC1 for 7 years. It's not a sandbox. Or if AC1 is a sandbox, then WoW and GW2 (for instance) are too.

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  olepi

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6/29/13 3:44:56 PM#38

To me, the term sandbox means that the player has to create all or most of the "content" of the game. In Ryzom, for example, players cannot build buildings, but it is still a sandbox. Players have to create everything: all spells, actions (like digging), fighting, etc, have to be built by the player. There are no pre-built "powers".

Players also have to create all the objects in the game: swords, armor, etc, all have to be built by players. Mobs do not drop these items, only mats that can be used to make these items.

There are also no classes. No "Cleric" and "Mage". It is completely skill based, where using the ability helps to level that ability.

Also there are no quests, no story-lines, no mobs with a ? over their heads.

So just because you cannot alter the actual landscape, or build buildings, does not mean it is not a sandbox.

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  azzamasin

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6/29/13 3:45:06 PM#39
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
Originally posted by azzamasin
Originally posted by DamonVile
Originally posted by azzamasin
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Originally posted by bcbully

Age of Wushu. 

 

add to your list. It's probably the best on the list. if you like people more than space ships 15-20 million worldwide. 

How exactly is age of wushu a sandbox? You can't build things in that game.

 Show me in the definition of where you need to be able to build something to label it a sandbox.  Sandbox means non-linear, open ended gameplay. Period.

That's your definition. In my sandbox I built things...a game without "sand" isn't a sandbox to me.

 And you'd be wrong.

Of course he's right. Why call something a sandbox if you can't build anything?

The base of the appelation is the "sand" the player can mold. No "sand"... no sandbox.

 Says where? and says who?  Sorry the sand is just a term, it has nothing to do whether or not you can build.  In reality it is a poor choice of a title because it causes people like yo uto get fixated on 1 little word, and that word has no bearing on the overall definition. 

 

Sandbox = open world, non instanced, free-form gameplay

Themepark_ linear, developer created guide rails to carry you through a game.

 

That is it, period, no ifs and or buts about the definition PERIOD END of Freaking STORY.

 

If your idea of a Sandbox is open FFA Full Loot PvP, full crafted world with minimal support for anything combat then your sandbox ideas are bad! Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

  dalewj

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6/29/13 3:45:18 PM#40
Entropian Universe and all associated planets.     Afterworld. 

MMORPGer - Current game: http://AfterWorld.ru .
Author of Diaries of Afterworld- http://www.jconsult.com/afterworld and the Outside Sci-Fi series- http://www.jconsult.com/outside

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