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  tommygunzII

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6/26/13 10:00:36 PM#141

I could go on and on about this and that, but what it comes down to is fun. During the phase 3 beta I have not been able to stop playing, this game is so addictive. Looking forward to release, playing these crappy F2P games is killing me. Rift while better than most F2P is nothing compared to FFXIV:ARR.

Is it Friday yet?

  Ayulin

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6/26/13 10:04:05 PM#142
Originally posted by silvermember
Originally posted by Laughing-man

http://venturebeat.com/2013/06/17/final-fantasy-online-director-defends-monthly-subscriptions-in-the-golden-age-of-free-to-play-exclusive/

 

Please read this if you are thinking this game will go free to play.

Thank you.

Ultimately the decision to go f2p or b2p is not up to the director BUT the company CEO. I have been here long enough to know that those comments are simply a buff until it's eventual f2p or b2p. The secret world and TERA guys did the exact same thing. So don't take it as it will never happen, take it as it will never happen as long as it meets a certain criteria.

Ultimately Naoki Yoshida has the complete backing of the "powers that be" at SE. It's been stated outright.

 

The problem I see in this discussion from a lot of people is several fold:

 

1. Based on arguments being made, people clearly aren't following the game.

 

2. Folks are clearly not aware, or are just ignoring the fact that SE is in a very rare position in the industry. They are the Developer and the Publisher. They are also a huge company with numerous income streams (publishing their own products, as well as others'), and can weather the long-term to earn back what they've invested. They set their own milestones. If they decide "5 years" (just an example) is an acceptable time period to make back their investment, then it will get 5 years.

 

Hell, how many other developers would be in the position to all but completely scrap their previous game and completely rebuild it from the ground up? How many other developers would continue developing and improving the current version of the game (1.0), while simultaneously designing and developing the new one? How many other developers would freeze subscriptions for almost a year until they felt the game was at a point where it was worth a subscription?

 

Speaking of that last bit... FFXIV 1.x actually increased its player base after subs were reinstated. Yes. That's a fact. Despite the game's failings, despite the fact that it was to be shut down and replaced, despite the fact that it would require a subscription to play, according to Naoki Yoshida, FFXIV 1.0 actually tripled its players in the last several months - and it was definitely noticeable in game while you were playing. 

 

The game had gone from being a ghost-town during the frozen-subs period, to being active and quite lively during its subscription period. If they could manage that with a game as badly crippled as 1.0 was, I have no problem believing they can do the same, and far better, with ARR.

 

This is a perfect segueway into my next point...

 

3. People continue to underestimate - or at least under-appreciate - the enduring popularity of P2P/Subs. I swear it's mind-boggling how people (including the article's author) can continue pondering "whether P2P can work in the current market", or whether there's enough people who would be willing to pay for it. Do people not pay attention? The answer is a resounding 'Yes, there enough people who would go for P2P". 

 

The question has been answered many times, in many ways, by many people. People have said, time and again (and again, and again, and again, ad infinitum), "if the game is fun enough, I have no problem paying a sub for it". And the key to it is right in the answer... "If the game is fun enough".

 

It's a design issue. Not a revenue model issue. Yet, people want to keep blaming it on the subscriptions. It's like seeing a car driven into a tree by a drunken driver, and then saying "it must have been the tires"... even though the tires are perfectly fine.

 

The blame is continuously and repeatedly misplaced, and I can't help but think it's not "accidental", considering most of the people (but certainly not all) who keep parroting it also tend to be pro-F2P.

 

If SE can deliver a game that is engaging and fun enough, to enough people, over a longer period of time, they will have no problem gaining and maintaining a healthy and adequate playerbase.

 

  Grakulen

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6/26/13 10:33:25 PM#143
Originally posted by tommygunzII

Is it Friday yet?

Almost!

I'm going to be trying it on the PS3 this time and as a caster instead of my normal melee characters.

 

  Murugan

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Joined: 4/18/08
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6/26/13 11:05:37 PM#144
Originally posted by Grakulen
Originally posted by Etherignis
This discussion is like beating a dead horse, im looking forward too august 27, like i said before SE could have gave us the middle finger and took all the money they made from ffxiv 1.0 and move on but they didn't, its risky wat SE is doing by starting over and invest in ffxiv. Hey at least if u purchase ffxiv 1.0 u can dl ffxiv 2.0 for free.

Square Enix has not made money on FFXIV. In fact they have done nothing but lose money. 

This is from their 2011 earnings (loss) report.

The quote is from then president Yoichi Wada.

"The Year’s Shortcomings

We did not have success from our new releases during the year. 

 Amid the intensification of competition in the console game software market, a polarization 

has emerged between the very best games and those which do not earn a profit. Our mistake 

was not reacting with sufficient regard to such an environment. We failed to thoroughly perfect 

certain products in the rush to launch new IPs. The release of mid-class debut titles with an 

intention to raise quality in future iterations can be seen as our failure. Further, we stumbled in the 

launch of our “FINAL FANTASY XIV” online game, a title which held our utmost confidence.

 Weakness was discovered in the management of the development organization. For this, we 

must apologize to our customers and our shareholders. However, instead of giving up and shutting 

down, we have renewed the team and are working hard to recover the FINAL FANTASY brand 

and rebuild our presence in the MMORPG space. Progress is taking place at an extremely high 

rate, and we are enthusiastic about the revival to “top-title” status in the near future. 

Learning from these mistakes, we decided to concentrate our focus on approximately 10 new 

and existing key franchises from the second half of the fiscal year under review. For these titles, 

we have established a development system without compromise. As a result, we delayed the 

launch of the upcoming “DEUS EX: HUMAN REVOLUTION” from the fiscal year under review 

upon our decision to spend more time in further polishing the quality of the title.

 The weakness of new releases, a stumble in “FINAL FANTASY XIV” and the delay of “DEUS 

EX: HUMAN REVOLUTION” were the primary factors resulting in operating income of ¥7.3 billion, 

substantially lower than forecast at the start of the fiscal year and the lowest level in our company history"

 

You can read the whole report on their website. This isn't cloak and dagger stuff. This is a corporation. They have investors.They have to report to them. No matter what any of them tell you. They just had a CEO step down this year because things are so bad.

http://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/pdf/ar_20110826_01en.pdf

http://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/ir/library/ar.

 

In the interest of giving credit where credit is due I can only say bravo on their decision to rework the game and the speed at which they have made the changes. But don't let anyone from SE tell you for a minute they did this because the game was profitable but just didn't live up to their expectations. If they do they are just lying to your face.

You see Gramul, here is why maybe I don't take what you write seriously.

 

The person you are quoting is claiming that FFXIV was improving and had made money.

 

Note that making money first of all doesn't mean making a profit.  They made money from subscriptions and used that money to further develop the game, not to pay back investors they do not owe money to.  The company reported a loss, however if you actually did any research into Square Enix you would know that online gaming is a very small part of their overall revenue/expenditures, it is just a segment they are trying to grow as part of a new direction they have been trying to head for several years.

 

Yes Final Fantasy XIV did not do as well as expected, they apologized for it many times, however your quoting of a 2011 article when they didn't even charge subcriptions at all until 2012 in order to somehow prove that they weren't making money off of the game under the sub model is getting kinda close to the realm of just making stuff up to defend your point.

 

Of course Final Fantasy XIV didn't make a lot of money in 2011, it came out in 2010, and then had an extended free trial the entire year of 2011.  Obviously they weren't expecting to make money off of XIV that year or else I don't know... maybe they wouldn't have given free time to everyone the entire time.

 

But please, continue telling us how not to listen to anyone that tells you otherwise.  Square Enix is desparate and their entire company is on the verge of bankruptcy if they don't "achieve the impossible" with an unheard of subscription model in this day and age, because you have "the facts". 

 

Maybe get some more relevant facts next time to back up your claims.  Maybe we can pitch in and buy you a new calendar so at least you can see what year it is.

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  Agrias34

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Joined: 9/12/09
Posts: 147

6/26/13 11:08:05 PM#145

A few mistakes in your write-up.  You can have up to 10 abilities from other classes, not 3 like you've stated, and the spell 'cure' is from conjurer class, not the thaumaturge which is a spellcaster mage, not the healer.

It really makes me wonder just how much you played the game as compared to how much you don't know, and speaking to the community about your thoughts of your 10 hour journey?

  bingbongbros

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Joined: 9/21/10
Posts: 586

6/26/13 11:12:59 PM#146
Originally posted by danwest58
Why do we need to rehash the same shit over every day.  The game will not become F2P.  Yoshi already said the game will close down before it goes F2P.  They also do not have investors and is the reason why they dont ever need to go F2P.  I am getting tired of the disrespect all you F2P people continue to show.  Everyday another new Topic on how FFXIV will fail and go F2P.  dont you people get it, F2P is more expensive than $140 sub for a year.  FFXIV will be fine as a P2P game.  F2P will soon be just a fad that causes games to fail.  The end.

I completely concur with this post.  F2P is a disease in the genre. Nothing about it is free besides the download.

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  Lavitz0813

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6/26/13 11:44:17 PM#147

I think a lot of people are over looking some major things here.

 

1. SE is accounting for a huge flux in Subs for the first 3 months.They know this, I'm sure there is a graph in someones office depicting this. 

 

2. Lots of people that play F2P and B2P will pay for this game. There are many people who have been waiting for a great Subs MMO to come around. There just hasn't been a great MMO for awhile. SWTOR had the chance and blew it badly.

 

3. WoW is bleeding. FFXIV will steal a lot  more subs from it then I think people believe.

 

4. You're going to see a huge influx of FFXI players to FFXIV. It happened when 1.0 released, it will happen again.  

 

5. FFXI & FFXIV are not meant for children. Paying 12.99 a month should not be an issue for an adult. That is basically skipping lunch 2 days a month. People will pay, Point blank.

 

6. FF is a VERY community driven Series. These games are not meant for MMO hoppers. You just won't keep up if you do.  SE know this. They've made plans for lower Subs.

 

I can say for certain this game will have a lot more staying power then it is being given. A rabid fan base across the globe with the resources to back it up = Major staying power.  Also, for those who question the end content? SE has already said they plan to release months worth of playing content on Launch day, with more coming over the next several months into the next year.

 
 
  Gravarg

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6/26/13 11:46:47 PM#148

*holds up picket sign that reads Keep P2P!*

 

I can't stand the "F2P" model.  It's never free, and ends up costing real players like myself alot more than $15 a month.  I loved Rift, and played it from beta til the went F2P.  I quit after F2P, I just can't stand the community that F2P brings, nor the store gouging, nor the other million things I hate about F2P.  There isn't one single thing that is redeeming about the F2P model that I like. I will try F2P games, but...

 

I WILL NEVER PLAY FREE TO PLAY!

 

/rant hehe

 
 
As for FFXIV, I haven't gotten to play it yet, but it looks fun to me.  I loved FFXI.  I actually got married in FFXI before I got married irl :D  I am excited about FFXIV, and actually didn't mind the game before.  It just felt incomplete.
  Grakulen

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6/26/13 11:59:26 PM#149
Originally posted by Gravarg

*holds up picket sign that reads Keep P2P!*

 

I can't stand the "F2P" model.  It's never free, and ends up costing real players like myself alot more than $15 a month.  I loved Rift, and played it from beta til the went F2P.  I quit after F2P, I just can't stand the community that F2P brings, nor the store gouging, nor the other million things I hate about F2P.  There isn't one single thing that is redeeming about the F2P model that I like. I will try F2P games, but...

 

I WILL NEVER PLAY FREE TO PLAY!

 

/rant hehe

 
 
As for FFXIV, I haven't gotten to play it yet, but it looks fun to me.  I loved FFXI.  I actually got married in FFXI before I got married irl :D  I am excited about FFXIV, and actually didn't mind the game before.  It just felt incomplete.

Did you own version 1.0?

I ask because the game will need new players beyond the ones that already owned it.
 
That being said I'm encouraged by the amount of people that have said they are willing to pay a sub as opposed to the number of people that normally flock to forums and refuse to play a game until it goes microtransaction.
 
Someone talked about skipping lunch to pay for a sub. I always compare it to a movie. If you went to go see a movie the cost of 1 ticket is going to be around $15. People gladly pay $15 for 2 hours of entertainment. Why not $15 for as many as you can squeeze in?
 
  Searias

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6/27/13 12:01:05 AM#150

The thing I found out after playing all these B2P/F2P games is that I get bored of them really fast and always end up leaving them. It's either the poor community or seeing the cash shop icon and advertisements which always spoils my immersion or the lack of worth wile content.

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  Gravarg

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6/27/13 12:02:44 AM#151
Originally posted by Grakulen
Originally posted by Gravarg

*holds up picket sign that reads Keep P2P!*

 

I can't stand the "F2P" model.  It's never free, and ends up costing real players like myself alot more than $15 a month.  I loved Rift, and played it from beta til the went F2P.  I quit after F2P, I just can't stand the community that F2P brings, nor the store gouging, nor the other million things I hate about F2P.  There isn't one single thing that is redeeming about the F2P model that I like. I will try F2P games, but...

 

I WILL NEVER PLAY FREE TO PLAY!

 

/rant hehe

 
 
As for FFXIV, I haven't gotten to play it yet, but it looks fun to me.  I loved FFXI.  I actually got married in FFXI before I got married irl :D  I am excited about FFXIV, and actually didn't mind the game before.  It just felt incomplete.

Did you own version 1.0?

yeah.  I played it for quite awhile.

  Grakulen

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6/27/13 12:09:27 AM#152
Originally posted by Gravarg
Originally posted by Grakulen
Originally posted by Gravarg

*holds up picket sign that reads Keep P2P!*

 

I can't stand the "F2P" model.  It's never free, and ends up costing real players like myself alot more than $15 a month.  I loved Rift, and played it from beta til the went F2P.  I quit after F2P, I just can't stand the community that F2P brings, nor the store gouging, nor the other million things I hate about F2P.  There isn't one single thing that is redeeming about the F2P model that I like. I will try F2P games, but...

 

I WILL NEVER PLAY FREE TO PLAY!

 

/rant hehe

 
 
As for FFXIV, I haven't gotten to play it yet, but it looks fun to me.  I loved FFXI.  I actually got married in FFXI before I got married irl :D  I am excited about FFXIV, and actually didn't mind the game before.  It just felt incomplete.

Did you own version 1.0?

yeah.  I played it for quite awhile.

 

I was hoping you were new blood. 

I am encouraged by the amount of people that are willing to pay the sub in this thread.

I always like to compare subs to movie tickets. People would gladly pay $15 for 1 ticket to a 2 hour movie. Why not pay $15 for a whole months worth of game time. I always felt it was a good value.

 
  Tuchaka

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6/27/13 12:13:15 AM#153
Ya let's not even admit a MMO needed to be re-done....so i guess that means they re-did it for nothing ?........wrong.....the first version was terrible and I am expecting the same from the new version.
  Gravarg

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6/27/13 12:14:47 AM#154
Originally posted by Grakulen
Originally posted by Gravarg
Originally posted by Grakulen
Originally posted by Gravarg

*holds up picket sign that reads Keep P2P!*

 

I can't stand the "F2P" model.  It's never free, and ends up costing real players like myself alot more than $15 a month.  I loved Rift, and played it from beta til the went F2P.  I quit after F2P, I just can't stand the community that F2P brings, nor the store gouging, nor the other million things I hate about F2P.  There isn't one single thing that is redeeming about the F2P model that I like. I will try F2P games, but...

 

I WILL NEVER PLAY FREE TO PLAY!

 

/rant hehe

 
 
As for FFXIV, I haven't gotten to play it yet, but it looks fun to me.  I loved FFXI.  I actually got married in FFXI before I got married irl :D  I am excited about FFXIV, and actually didn't mind the game before.  It just felt incomplete.

Did you own version 1.0?

yeah.  I played it for quite awhile.

 

I was hoping you were new blood. 

I am encouraged by the amount of people that are willing to pay the sub in this thread.

I always like to compare subs to movie tickets. People would gladly pay $15 for 1 ticket to a 2 hour movie. Why not pay $15 for a whole months worth of game time. I always felt it was a good value.

 

Yep.  I've always thought the same thing, or back when I was younger, it was a coke a day, now it's more like a coke a week, but that's even better hehe :)

  Grakulen

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6/27/13 12:34:27 AM#155

 

But please, continue telling us how not to listen to anyone that tells you otherwise.  Square Enix is desparate and their entire company is on the verge of bankruptcy if they don't "achieve the impossible" with an unheard of subscription model in this day and age, because you have "the facts". 

 

Maybe get some more relevant facts next time to back up your claims.  Maybe we can pitch in and buy you a new calendar so at least you can see what year it is.

The company is still losing money: 1. Consolidated Financial Results (April 1, 2012 to March 31, 2013) 

They lost 13.7 billion Yen.

This is the most up to date report. http://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/news/pdf/13q4earnings.pdf

Keep in mind that isn't all from FFXIV. Also I never said that FFXIV:ARR was the savior of the company. I also never said that the game would be anything other than a subscription or that I hoped it would be. Somehow I think the comments devolved into people thinking I had.

Also I don't equate losing money to making money. If you consider generating revenue making money even though you are operating at a loss, well then we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one.

And finally on the finances, I'm just trying to be the voice of reason. Some of what I read in here makes me believe some people thought the game was turning a profit towards the end. It wasn't. I was helping to offset it's own costs. Producers and directors can tell you what ever they want in PR like that. The company has to be truthful in their financial reports. I want the game to be a success too. I just don't want anyone to think things are better than they are under false pretense.

 

  Murugan

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6/27/13 1:16:32 AM#156
Originally posted by Grakulen

 

But please, continue telling us how not to listen to anyone that tells you otherwise.  Square Enix is desparate and their entire company is on the verge of bankruptcy if they don't "achieve the impossible" with an unheard of subscription model in this day and age, because you have "the facts". 

 

Maybe get some more relevant facts next time to back up your claims.  Maybe we can pitch in and buy you a new calendar so at least you can see what year it is.

The company is still losing money: 1. Consolidated Financial Results (April 1, 2012 to March 31, 2013) 

They lost 13.7 billion Yen.

This is the most up to date report. http://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/news/pdf/13q4earnings.pdf

Keep in mind that isn't all from FFXIV. Also I never said that FFXIV:ARR was the savior of the company. I also never said that the game would be anything other than a subscription or that I hoped it would be. Somehow I think the comments devolved into people thinking I had.

Also I don't equate losing money to making money. If you consider generating revenue making money even though you are operating at a loss, well then we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one.

And finally on the finances, I'm just trying to be the voice of reason. Some of what I read in here makes me believe some people thought the game was turning a profit towards the end. It wasn't. I was helping to offset it's own costs. Producers and directors can tell you what ever they want in PR like that. The company has to be truthful in their financial reports. I want the game to be a success too. I just don't want anyone to think things are better than they are under false pretense.

 

So in order for the game to "make money" it has to recoup all development costs.  Which are what?  Keep in mind that a lot of the team working on FFXIV are Square Enix employees paid whether FFXIV exists or not.  Either way you don't have this information, it probably hasn't recouped the development cost but at a studio that big how do you even know they expected it to considering its engine and many other assets at use were not even exclusive to this one title.   You don't know any of that, you are just posting random financial stats for a company that makes everything from toys, to arcade machines, TV shows, and video games across nearly every platform and then trying to "tie it" to this game.

 

Your link though better than the one from 2011 (I mean come on, they weren't even charging subs yet in 2011) says nothing about FFXIV's cost related to the revenue it actually did generate (because again they started charging a subscription fee in early 2012, and had the playerbase increase threefold according to interview quoted earlier in these comments) for 2012.  You are not playing "the voice of reason" you are trying to talk about things you do not know about by linking financial reports that do not detail what you claim they do only that the company as a whole reports a loss. 

 

Instead of trying to report on investment news for Square Enix (and failing, April 2012 was still a long time ago you are getting closer but still pretty out of date here, at least you are going in the right direction?).   Why not focus on the actual game so you can correct some of the errors people have pointed out in your article for your next impression.  I don't think people are interested in your further delving into the financial state of Square Enix.  We come here for gaming news, not to see random news contributors play financial analyst after they spent 15 seconds on google looking for a link that sounds like it backs up their assumptions and speculation.

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  Mothanos

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6/27/13 1:29:46 AM#157

If free to play is the future of the western market then the future looks very grim....

I wont touch those failed pay to win mmo's.

 

I hope FF ARR has great succes and show that the market will support your product if you keep the game in top shape.

Lets hope for the sake of the genre all is not lost.

  Hamger8

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6/27/13 1:36:26 AM#158
F2P is a bad idea I quit so many F2P games within the first 3 weeks it just how it is. Like yoshi said people will love F2P but since they are not paying they don't feel like playing and will come on and off. 
  rommello

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hallo ~_~

6/27/13 2:09:52 AM#159

12345 every 1-2 seconds all day long on conjurer....rest of the game was really nice tho i quite liked it

but no cant pay for that one factor i just cannot enjoy & dev himself stated this system is here to stay for sure

hallo ~_~

  sofbert

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6/27/13 2:21:22 AM#160
Originally posted by mcrippins
really want to play this game - cant even pay to get in beta it seems =[

@mcrippins Follow them on twitter, they've been mentioning sites giving away beta keys for both PC and PS3. Not ~that~ hard to get a key if you pay any kind of attention to it, also the open beta isn't too far off, probably.

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