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  bcbully

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OP  6/26/13 9:02:06 PM#121
Originally posted by Wololo
Originally posted by bcbully
Originally posted by Sinella

I never PvP because I don't like the feeling that I'm causing anger or loss for someone else. I hate to win in a PvP match even more than to lose.

I totally hate forced PvP games, because they attract the biggest a-holes in the gaming world. I don't like to spend my free time with psychopats. I'm not saying all PvPers are like that, most of them not, but some rotten apples can ruin the whole basket.

I get this, I really do. I have those feelings at times too. For lack of better terms it can be awkward. 

 

The are no "Forces PvP games" you are never forced to fight. At the same time griefers should be punished, as long as there is a way to do that, within reason, I really don't have an issue.

 

Killing for the sake of killing with no risk gets old quick for everyone. If that one social path just can't get enough arrest him, and put him on time out. 

Not true, please find evidence for this.

The word you were looking for is 'Sociopath'

That is assuming the game has a system in place to do that. *HINT* THAT IS A VERY LARGE ASSUMPTION

The fact that most games do not give the tools to jail others for crimes, is the reason I do not endorse FFA Full loot open world PvP.

 

I'm typo king... so what?

 

Some do, if it's ffa game w/o it's bad design. it it's an open world pvp game w/o, it's bad design imo.

When I eat chocolate chip pie it just doesn't feel like chocolate chip cookies. The texture, the consistency, it's just not the same and this is disappointing.

  STYNKFYST

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6/26/13 9:02:23 PM#122
Originally posted by Slampig
Originally posted by evilized
nobody that says shadowbane was awful has any right to comment on pvp.

That can go the opposite way and be all, "Nobody that says Shadowbane was a great game has any right to comment on gaming."

Shadowbane was not the best game to ever slice bread, it was fun though, for the most part.

Shadowbane was crap...period. You can have fun with crap all you want. I see crap for what it is. I wanted PvP then and saw that they could not do it and have not done it well since either. My idea of PvP comes from FPS games though...so I may expecting too much.

As to the topic? Seems like a troll to me. From the OP's name to the biased basis of the whole post. Luring into arguing with others of completely different play styles FTW! You ARE NOT carebear if you want to play the content laid out for you. Whether it's PvE or not. It's a friggin game after all. YOU ARE carebear if that all you do in life is PvP and gloat, grief on a PC/console without ever experience it IRL. You want PvP, box or do MMA, join the military, become a cop, whatever....just stop bragging because your pixels are better than others.

  Gravarg

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6/26/13 9:03:58 PM#123

In PvP you never win.  Simple as that.  That's why I never understand why people say some games are Pay2Win.  In PvP you will lose...everyone always loses.  In PvE you can win a lot more than you lose in most games.  I don't like being a loser, if you want to be a loser, go play PvP.

 

Edit: I've had games in BF3 were I go 36-2 or 3, and I still feel like I lost, because of those 2 or 3 deaths.  In PvE I can run a dungeon and feel very successful for not dying once.

  Geeky

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6/26/13 9:04:56 PM#124

It's not PvP in todays games.

 

I play Darkfall, and MO and other games of PvP mindsets and I rarely ever see a PvP fight.

 

It's 5 against 1...or 7 vs. 2 or 20 vs. 3.  That is not PvP, I've many many times engaged 1 on  1.  I don't call for back-up and wait...I engage...I often lose becasue I suck at games, but in almost all PvP content, it's not PvP anymore, it's gank for the mightly out-numbered.

 

So you can probable see the reason yourself why people don't like PvP now-a-days. 

  Dragim

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6/26/13 9:06:10 PM#125
Originally posted by Razeekster
Because it simply isn't fun. I've never found any type of PvP to be fun. You're just going around killing players. Woo-hoo. To me it's about as exciting as grinding mobs for exp.

Definitely to each their own!  I don't dislike non-pvpers by any means, we all play games and enjoy them how we like )

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My reason for quoting though...is "Just going around killing players...woohooo".

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I have played mmos where...that is all you do...no objectives...no rewards.  I want a progression system like PvE. (pvp levels, pvp loot)

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Most importantly, "my pvp" involves big open spaces, capturable objectives, and reasons to capture and hold said objectives.  (realm buffs, "pvp points to unlock items)...or....which can be really cool and super duper aggrivating....the ability to build your own towns/destroy them.  (Shadowbane)... it is the ultimate goal...go collect wood/stone to build your castle/town...only to have ti be destroyed later...(granted this isnt always fun...but it is the carrot! the carrot on the stick...something grand to work toward...something to make you feel like you are making a difference!)

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So yes...pvp can be exceptionally boring if it is just a field where people run around and kill each other.  But properly done..with proper incentive and interaction...PvP..to me...is the ultimate fun in a MMO.

I am entitled to my opinions, misspellings, and grammatical errors.

  Vorthanion

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6/26/13 9:06:40 PM#126

I play games for entertainment, relaxation and as an escape from the 'dog eat dog' of real life.  The last thing I want is to emulate real life BS into my entertainment.  I want a stress free gaming environment and that is why I rarely pvp or raid.  It's also why I don't care much for twitch style combat or games with harsh penalties.

 

I am not at all surprised by the reasoning you used in your post Bcbully, your moniker is aptly chosen and so very representative of the sociopathic tendencies of the hardcore pvp segment of the gaming population.

  keenber

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Posts: 437

6/26/13 9:09:28 PM#127

Being ganked by a high lvl ranger from a distance where you cant even see him when you are trying to get a quest.

Being ganked while at half hp when fighting a mob.

Getting ganked while out trying to get mats for my crafting.

Need i go on ?

PVP is not the problem its the way idiots do it just to pick on the weak.

I had a idea for EQN for pvp is every class like old eq have there own faction .Well if we all start with neutral faction to all races but the sec that you kill something of the other faction then you become kos to that faction meaning you basically lock yourself from lots of city and zones making your life very hard.

Then if they make getting back to good faction a very hard thing but also give you bonus to your own faction then that would hopefully cut down on the ganking.

But in saying that it should be kept to a pvp server and let us that enjoy pve only should have our own server.

  atticusbc

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6/26/13 9:10:37 PM#128
Originally posted by bcbully

It's not like you die IRL. It's a game sometimes you win sometimes you lose.  Is it because -

 

You lose a lot?

You can't get better?

It's scary?

To much adrenalin? 

It makes you angry?

PvP'rs are mean?

 

Outside of "I just don't like it" which is not an explanation, this is what I ask myself when I hear someone say "I wish there was no pvp" 

 

I mean to me PVP is the pinnacle off multiplayer gaming. You test your skills against mine. We use what we found in the world and see if it works. 

 

Why, please tell me. Maybe developers have done studies and stuff, but I haven't, I really don't get it.

 

Update - Top reasons

Lack of time

Mean player/ Nasty attitudes 

OBSERVATION - Every scenario given by those against PvP involves being the person that gets killed. Check it out for yourself. 

There's some really good stuff in here Thank you to those who are giving their time.

in reference to the big red bit, why would i inflict something i don't like on someone else? i don't like being killed while messing around, why should i go out and kill some random person when we can just as easily, y'know, not fight? the problem wi pvp games and the pvp mindset is the "v." it doesn't have to be versus. it's an option but why's it the only one? so i guess i could respond to this whole thread by asking why pvpers demand perpetual conflict?

  Geeky

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6/26/13 9:11:47 PM#129
Originally posted by jinxxed0

 It's pretty ridiculous that PvPers would even question why a lot of people don't like PvP. Some people actually prefer to be around pleasant company online

This is probably the best answer you will ever find to the question.

  Drakynn

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Posts: 2051

6/26/13 9:17:07 PM#130

I think the bigger questions are :

Why some people can't accept that different people like different things and have different wants and goals?

Why some people think there is only one correct way to make a MMORPG and everyone has to accept and like their chosen game types?

  Sinella

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Posts: 336

6/26/13 9:25:55 PM#131
Originally posted by Geeky
Originally posted by jinxxed0

 It's pretty ridiculous that PvPers would even question why a lot of people don't like PvP. Some people actually prefer to be around pleasant company online

This is probably the best answer you will ever find to the question.

That's very true. I prefer a gaming world where another player is not a potential enemy but a potential friend. When I'm out in the forest cutting wood or fishing and another player is coming I don't want to get ready to run or to fight, i want  to be glad to get some company and to get ready to greet him/her friendly. I'm a social/cooperative player and a non-consensual PvP environment kills that playstyle.

  bcbully

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Posts: 7195

 
OP  6/26/13 9:29:40 PM#132
Originally posted by Sinella
Originally posted by bcbully

Update - Top reasons

Lack of time

Mean player/ Nasty attitudes 

OBSERVATION - Every scenario given by those against PvP involves being the person that gets killed. Check it out for yourself. 

There's some really good stuff in here Thank you to those who are giving their time.

 

Your observation is wrong. You read my post, even replied to it and I wrote:

"I never PvP because I don't like the feeling that I'm causing anger or loss for someone else. I hate to win in a PvP match even more than to lose."

That  involves being the person that kills. One of my reasons to avoid PvP is that I hate to kill others, it makes me feel really  bad.  Looting them makes it worse, whenever I killed someone I always gave their stuffs back lol.

Try to get over your preconceptions if you really want to understand why other players dislike PvP. If you only want to prove your prejudices then of course go ahead and read selectively :)

Whoa whoa whoa, I bolded scenario while thinking about your post., because of you post.  I had even put "except one" () but thought you would notice the bold, and it would serve. 

 

I remember running my first "real race" 4th grade field day. I was dusting everyone. I pulled up 10 yrds before the line and let someone else win. It was so noticeable that people where asking me why. I think about that to this day. I felt bad beating them bad.

 

I feel that way now with senseless killing.

When I eat chocolate chip pie it just doesn't feel like chocolate chip cookies. The texture, the consistency, it's just not the same and this is disappointing.

  Electro057

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Posts: 537

6/26/13 9:32:13 PM#133
Originally posted by bcbully
Originally posted by Sinella
Originally posted by bcbully

Update - Top reasons

Lack of time

Mean player/ Nasty attitudes 

OBSERVATION - Every scenario given by those against PvP involves being the person that gets killed. Check it out for yourself. 

There's some really good stuff in here Thank you to those who are giving their time.

 

Your observation is wrong. You read my post, even replied to it and I wrote:

"I never PvP because I don't like the feeling that I'm causing anger or loss for someone else. I hate to win in a PvP match even more than to lose."

That  involves being the person that kills. One of my reasons to avoid PvP is that I hate to kill others, it makes me feel really  bad.  Looting them makes it worse, whenever I killed someone I always gave their stuffs back lol.

Try to get over your preconceptions if you really want to understand why other players dislike PvP. If you only want to prove your prejudices then of course go ahead and read selectively :)

Whoa whoa whoa, I bolded scenario while thinking about your post., because of you post.  I had even put "except one" () but thought you would notice the bold, and it would serve. 

 

I remember running my first "real race" 4th grade field day. I was dusting everyone. I pulled up 10 yrds before the line and let someone else win. It was so noticeable that people where asking me why. I think about that to this day. I felt bad beating them bad.

 

I feel that way now with senseless killing.

Most people feel that way about senseless killing. It's what sets you apart from sociopaths...Realizing the person you kill is a human with emotions, aspirations, family, loved ones, dreams ect ect.....

Otherwise you deserve to be sanctioned.

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  Axehilt

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6/26/13 9:36:00 PM#134
Originally posted by bcbully

Why not beat the guy (or lose) and go about your business. You win some you lose some. YOu can even run, I'm sure there is another node right around the corner. Is it that big of a deal?

Because MMORPG PVP isn't a skillful competition, it's a casual affair where an unskilled chump can be unbeatable in the short-term due to progression or population advantages.

I love PVP.

I hate Bad PVP.  MMORPG PVP is Bad PVP.

  LacedOpium

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6/26/13 9:38:55 PM#135
Originally posted by bcbully
Originally posted by Sinella
Originally posted by bcbully

Update - Top reasons

Lack of time

Mean player/ Nasty attitudes 

OBSERVATION - Every scenario given by those against PvP involves being the person that gets killed. Check it out for yourself. 

There's some really good stuff in here Thank you to those who are giving their time.

 

Your observation is wrong. You read my post, even replied to it and I wrote:

"I never PvP because I don't like the feeling that I'm causing anger or loss for someone else. I hate to win in a PvP match even more than to lose."

That  involves being the person that kills. One of my reasons to avoid PvP is that I hate to kill others, it makes me feel really  bad.  Looting them makes it worse, whenever I killed someone I always gave their stuffs back lol.

Try to get over your preconceptions if you really want to understand why other players dislike PvP. If you only want to prove your prejudices then of course go ahead and read selectively :)

Whoa whoa whoa, I bolded scenario while thinking about your post., because of you post.  I had even put "except one" () but thought you would notice the bold, and it would serve. 

 

I remember running my first "real race" 4th grade field day. I was dusting everyone. I pulled up 10 yrds before the line and let someone else win. It was so noticeable that people where asking me why. I think about that to this day. I felt bad beating them bad.

 

I feel that way now with senseless killing.

 

Dude, you create a post asking a question.  Many provide you with sincere detailed responses depicting varying reasons why they do not like PvP, and you demean and belittle their responses by editing your original post and adding nonsense?

Real classy of you, Mr. pro non consensual PvPer.

Prettying-up wrong by dressing it up as opinion does not negate the fact that it is still wrong.

  Azaqin

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6/26/13 9:39:45 PM#136

OK, as to the original question, I'm game to answer. I don't hate PvP, per se, but I don't actively seek it out for several reasons:

 

1. The seeming ubiquitous presence of griefers, players who do not want a fight. They want a one-sided massacre. I find a match-up with opponents of comparable gear, level, and power to be exciting, but too many PvPers seem to actively seek out fights with opponents far below their power levels just to dominate without a challenge. 

 

2. (And this is the real reason, to be honest) The advancing arthritis in my left hand has left me unable to compete with the necessary level of of reaction time necessary for PvP. In PvE I can anticipate and compensate with alternate controls, but in PvP it puts me at such a considerable disadvantage that to compete I would essentially have to seek out underpowered opponents, and that just has no appeal for me.

 

3. I'm far more interested in co-operative play than competitive. It's just my preference. 

  zanebergeron

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6/26/13 9:41:21 PM#137

There are different types of PvP players, it's a certain type of player that makes people dislike it.  As people have stated, it's the jerk who is 20+ lvls above gankin low lvl characters, standing over your corpse just to kill you over and over. To me this is not gaming but just plain harassment.

 

*People like different aspects of games, same as in life.  I myself like some PvP even if I'm not very good at it, though I would never be the type to just gank someone just because.

*I think there should be a reason for PvP with a thought out story, a point to it besides "just because".  There should also be a justice system in place, X-Guy has been killing innocents there is now a bounty, they are not allowed in any city, for set amount of time for every crime they commit.  If you are captured and returned to town you will be sentenced and punished.....this makes PvP immersive.

 

*And just because someone prefers PvE does not make them a "carebear". 

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  bcbully

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OP  6/26/13 9:42:42 PM#138
Originally posted by Vorthanion

I play games for entertainment, relaxation and as an escape from the 'dog eat dog' of real life.  The last thing I want is to emulate real life BS into my entertainment.  I want a stress free gaming environment and that is why I rarely pvp or raid.  It's also why I don't care much for twitch style combat or games with harsh penalties.

 

I am not at all surprised by the reasoning you used in your post Bcbully, your moniker is aptly chosen and so very representative of the sociopathic tendencies of the hardcore pvp segment of the gaming population.

see below

Originally posted by bcbully
Originally posted by Demalis

Ok help me out here is this irony, the op with the word bully in his name is asking why some people don't like pvp???

I am not sure if that would classify... But to answer your question, I play rpg's on my time, when I am level 15 getting harassed by three level capped players, it is affecting my game time. I all ways play on a pvp server, but think it is time to switch. Developers are not addressing the many down side effects of open world pvp, I likes the way dayz did the bandit skin.  If they could make pvp a little more meaningful and address the grieving factors then I could change my mind.

 

There is some real irony there lmao good eye. I'm 6'4' 260, and have been in maybe 3 fight my entire life, and I didnt start those. The name is the name of my first fantasy football team. We finished second, so I stayed with it. 

 

Kids laugh when I try to discipline them lol... Yeah though, the irony. My friends used to get a kick out the name. 

 

I'm a gamer PvP and PvE. You are no threat. Plus you post like a clicker, slow on your attack.

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  Sinella

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6/26/13 9:42:44 PM#139
Originally posted by bcbully
Originally posted by Sinella
Originally posted by bcbully

Update - Top reasons

Lack of time

Mean player/ Nasty attitudes 

OBSERVATION - Every scenario given by those against PvP involves being the person that gets killed. Check it out for yourself. 

There's some really good stuff in here Thank you to those who are giving their time.

 

Your observation is wrong. You read my post, even replied to it and I wrote:

"I never PvP because I don't like the feeling that I'm causing anger or loss for someone else. I hate to win in a PvP match even more than to lose."

That  involves being the person that kills. One of my reasons to avoid PvP is that I hate to kill others, it makes me feel really  bad.  Looting them makes it worse, whenever I killed someone I always gave their stuffs back lol.

Try to get over your preconceptions if you really want to understand why other players dislike PvP. If you only want to prove your prejudices then of course go ahead and read selectively :)

Whoa whoa whoa, I bolded scenario while thinking about your post., because of you post.  I had even put "except one" () but thought you would notice the bold, and it would serve. 

 

I remember running my first "real race" 4th grade field day. I was dusting everyone. I pulled up 10 yrds before the line and let someone else win. It was so noticeable that people where asking me why. I think about that to this day. I felt bad beating them bad.

 

I feel that way now with senseless killing.

Ah ok, sorry I didn't notice the word scenario was bolded. But even if I had noticed I probably would have missed its meaning, it wasn't that obvious for me :) Makes more sense now.

  Vorthanion

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6/26/13 9:50:25 PM#140
Originally posted by bcbully
Originally posted by Vorthanion

I play games for entertainment, relaxation and as an escape from the 'dog eat dog' of real life.  The last thing I want is to emulate real life BS into my entertainment.  I want a stress free gaming environment and that is why I rarely pvp or raid.  It's also why I don't care much for twitch style combat or games with harsh penalties.

 

I am not at all surprised by the reasoning you used in your post Bcbully, your moniker is aptly chosen and so very representative of the sociopathic tendencies of the hardcore pvp segment of the gaming population.

see below

Originally posted by bcbully
Originally posted by Demalis

Ok help me out here is this irony, the op with the word bully in his name is asking why some people don't like pvp???

I am not sure if that would classify... But to answer your question, I play rpg's on my time, when I am level 15 getting harassed by three level capped players, it is affecting my game time. I all ways play on a pvp server, but think it is time to switch. Developers are not addressing the many down side effects of open world pvp, I likes the way dayz did the bandit skin.  If they could make pvp a little more meaningful and address the grieving factors then I could change my mind.

 

There is some real irony there lmao good eye. I'm 6'4' 260, and have been in maybe 3 fight my entire life, and I didnt start those. The name is the name of my first fantasy football team. We finished second, so I stayed with it. 

 

Kids laugh when I try to discipline them lol... Yeah though, the irony. My friends used to get a kick out the name. 

 

I'm a gamer PvP and PvE. You are no threat. Plus you post like a clicker, slow on your attack.

Hahaha.....hit too close to the mark, huh.  Weak arguers always resort to insults.

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