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  cyandk

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OP  6/22/13 5:14:16 PM#1

This is a SOE developed game? Why are people hyping it? Because it has the EQ brand? Trust me, I would love to see a good sandboxy MMO.

I would be extremely careful, just because of that.

Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe.

  Slampig

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6/22/13 5:16:38 PM#2
Originally posted by cyandk

This is a SOE developed game? Why are people hyping it? Because it has the EQ brand? Trust me, I would love to see a good sandboxy MMO.

I would be extremely careful, just because of that.

*Sigh*

Here we go...

That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!

  Telondariel

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6/22/13 5:30:43 PM#3
Originally posted by cyandk

This is a SOE developed game? Why are people hyping it? Because it has the EQ brand? Trust me, I would love to see a good sandboxy MMO.

I would be extremely careful, just because of that.

Welp, if you follow the threads here, you'll see that there are actually only a small handful of people foaming at the mouth over this.  They keep making hype threads, perpetuate and enhance the speculation, and take Smedley's word like it came from the lips of the Messiah. 

 

The rest of us are more realistic.  "Wait and See" seems to be the wiser choice of action if you are at all aware of SOE and Smed's reputation.

 

 

  Entinerint

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6/22/13 5:37:04 PM#4

You're thinking of the old SOE.  The one that killed SWG.

They may have turned a new leaf.  Certainly not holding my breath but, for now I am hopeful.

  Xthos

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6/22/13 5:44:25 PM#5
Originally posted by Entinerint

You're thinking of the old SOE.  The one that killed SWG.

They may have turned a new leaf.  Certainly not holding my breath but, for now I am hopeful.

You abbreviated Lucas Arts wrong, its LA, Lucas had 100% final say, business speak or not to keep future franchise opportunities alive.  I do not like a lot of things they have done, but if anything, they can be blamed for not fighting for more control over SWG, so they wouldn't of had to totally change the game because LA wanted it to be done.  No I have no document to 'prove' it, but it was fairly common knowledge that Lucas had final creative say, and I had never seen a developer totally change a game like that before, making me think it wasn't a 'option'.

 

So SWG aside, I see no reason to not trust SoE, any more than I would trust anyone else, which means, I don't trust them....I will judge them on the final product.  I cannot play hype, reputation or anything else, but a game, so I will not condemn them or anything else, until I see the game.

 

  Panthien

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6/22/13 5:59:17 PM#6
Originally posted by Xthos
Originally posted by Entinerint

You're thinking of the old SOE.  The one that killed SWG.

They may have turned a new leaf.  Certainly not holding my breath but, for now I am hopeful.

You abbreviated Lucas Arts wrong, its LA, Lucas had 100% final say, business speak or not to keep future franchise opportunities alive.  I do not like a lot of things they have done, but if anything, they can be blamed for not fighting for more control over SWG, so they wouldn't of had to totally change the game because LA wanted it to be done.  No I have no document to 'prove' it, but it was fairly common knowledge that Lucas had final creative say, and I had never seen a developer totally change a game like that before, making me think it wasn't a 'option'.

 

So SWG aside, I see no reason to not trust SoE, any more than I would trust anyone else, which means, I don't trust them....I will judge them on the final product.  I cannot play hype, reputation or anything else, but a game, so I will not condemn them or anything else, until I see the game.

 

Well said.

Normal people play games for fun and when it stops being fun they move on.

  Dejoblue

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I'll give them heroics...and when everyone is super...no one will be.

6/22/13 6:21:50 PM#7

It is not so much about trusting SOE or Smedley it is looking at the landscape and seeing that themepark MMOs are dying, they are like Call of Duty now, they last a month or two and then everyone moves onto the next MMO. SWTOR emblazoned this into my brain. A 200 million dollar endeavor that has less than a million subscribers and had to go free to play. And yes I DO know the details such as their utter incompetence in such details as stating that they would absolutely not let anyone have a detailed combat log, ever, this is when the raiders left. But I digress.

Who is not free to play?

 

WoW and EVE and um I think that is it.

I have also played Aion, and Age of Wushu and the coming Arch Age is being published by Trion and I was in End of Nations beta and I simply do not think that their chances of translating the Asian MMO to Western standards is going to bring about anything other than an AION duplicate.

EQN is the only chance of a AAA company making a AAA full loot PVP sandbox title. The market is ripe with all of the themepark degradation including WoW losing nearly 1.5 million subscribers this last quarter alone.

Maybe we are barking up the wrong tree but I saw it coming a mile away and I am outside of the inside of MMO development. i saw ArchAge coming a mile away what with EVE's continual growth.

Maybe SOE will do it, or maybe they will try to please evryone and have a ton of themepark in it, we will have to see but all I can do is hope for a full EVE style sandbox in the world of Norrath with goblins and dwarves and wizards and druids.

 

That is also why the "hype" and discussions on these forums are so vital, they let us send our feedback, let the developers touch on the pulse of the genre and see if they are headed in the right direction. So far everyone is not even thinking in terms of EVE or Age of Wushu or even Darkfall or Shadowbane, it is all regurgitation of WoW type themeparks and what will work based on that paradigm, ignoring the fact that the paradigm is no longer working, everyone is sick of it.

 

Aug 2 cannot come soon enough.

  Entinerint

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6/22/13 7:50:04 PM#8
Originally posted by Xthos
Originally posted by Entinerint

You're thinking of the old SOE.  The one that killed SWG.

They may have turned a new leaf.  Certainly not holding my breath but, for now I am hopeful.

You abbreviated Lucas Arts wrong, its LA, Lucas had 100% final say, business speak or not to keep future franchise opportunities alive.  I do not like a lot of things they have done, but if anything, they can be blamed for not fighting for more control over SWG, so they wouldn't of had to totally change the game because LA wanted it to be done.  No I have no document to 'prove' it, but it was fairly common knowledge that Lucas had final creative say, and I had never seen a developer totally change a game like that before, making me think it wasn't a 'option'.

 

So SWG aside, I see no reason to not trust SoE, any more than I would trust anyone else, which means, I don't trust them....I will judge them on the final product.  I cannot play hype, reputation or anything else, but a game, so I will not condemn them or anything else, until I see the game.

 

By killed SWG, I meant the NGE/CU not the actual execution.  That was all SOE.

But overall you're right, we can't play hype.  My faith in SOE was certainly bolstered after participating in the Planetside 2 Beta.  If the EQ3 devs are as conscientious and open as the PS2 devs, EQ3 will be a hell of a game.  If they get all wrapped up in their egos and start thinking that they know best, then it's in trouble.  And it's not just about listening to the community, it's all about HOW you listen to the community and how you react to community feedback, because often-times what a community says it wants might only be symptomatic of a bigger issue or desire.  The best MMO devs are the ones who can see that and read between the whines.

  Dudehog

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6/22/13 8:08:22 PM#9
Originally posted by cyandk

This is a SOE developed game? Why are people hyping it? Because it has the EQ brand? Trust me, I would love to see a good sandboxy MMO.

I would be extremely careful, just because of that.

SOE made SWG. SWG was my favorite MMO, nothing else comes close. For this reason alone SOE gets another chance in my book. 

Yes, EQN will probably fail since most new mmos suck. But so far this is the only game company around releasing a triple A sandbox that also has a history of making mmos that I enjoy. That's enough for me to jump in the hype wagon until at least August 2nd.

  CalmOceans

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6/22/13 8:19:04 PM#10

I know some of the people working for EQNext, from EQ and some other areas, which is pretty much why I'm interested a bit.

The main programmer for EQNext was the main programmer for EQ actually.

Here is his farewell message to the EQ community before he went off to EQNext, if anyone cares about stuff like that.

Also, he's a really nice guy.

 

  toddze

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I am not a hater, I call it like I see it.

6/22/13 8:21:07 PM#11
Originally posted by cyandk

This is a SOE developed game? Why are people hyping it? Because it has the EQ brand? Trust me, I would love to see a good sandboxy MMO.

I would be extremely careful, just because of that.

SOE has lost any good graces with me, I am sitting in the shadows on this one, with a wait and see attitude.

Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore)
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  Dejoblue

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I'll give them heroics...and when everyone is super...no one will be.

6/22/13 8:25:51 PM#12
SWG was all Lucas Arts. INCLUDING the final execution. They wanted ZERO competition with SWTOR so the license was ended for SWG. You can bitch and moan all you want but the downfall of SWG was Lucas Arts.
  aleos

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6/22/13 8:29:28 PM#13

john smedley

 

that is all

  Betaguy

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6/22/13 8:31:19 PM#14
Originally posted by aleos

john smedley

 

that is all

I chortled... ;)

  strangiato2112

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6/22/13 8:31:54 PM#15
Originally posted by dejoblue
SWG was all Lucas Arts. INCLUDING the final execution. They wanted ZERO competition with SWTOR so the license was ended for SWG. You can bitch and moan all you want but the downfall of SWG was Lucas Arts.

The reason why it wasnt a huge success in the first place was also LA-releasing it too soon.  Had they let SoE properly finish the game it might not have been so bad at launch (SWG had great ideas, but other than the crafting/housing the launch product was pathetic)

  Redemp

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6/22/13 8:34:20 PM#16

 It was cool to hate SoE a few years ago , there are a few holdouts left. In my experience the SoE haters generally have very little reason for the bashing, besides SWG of course. That's ignoring that SoE makes quality games and life supports others which would have otherwise been shutdown.

/shrug

  Antiquated

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6/22/13 8:35:48 PM#17

What makes this little hype-fanboy-hater war so utterly fascinating is just how many horses are going to be in this race.

 

  Dejoblue

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I'll give them heroics...and when everyone is super...no one will be.

6/22/13 8:44:33 PM#18

SOE still supports EQ MAC for goodnes sake, less than 1000 players as well as Vanguard Saga of Heroes. cmon people SOE has heart FAR more than ANY other MMO company out there. haha, gimme a break Smedley is awesome and Dave Georgeson is the new messiah! just look at his linkedin account he has saved more games than a rat can wiggle a tail at!

 

mkmmmm

 

cheeese

  Telondariel

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6/22/13 11:13:05 PM#19
Originally posted by Redemp

 It was cool to hate SoE a few years ago , there are a few holdouts left. In my experience the SoE haters generally have very little reason for the bashing, besides SWG of course. That's ignoring that SoE makes quality games and life supports others which would have otherwise been shutdown.

/shrug

I think you've been out of the loop, or missed the boat.  There is an EQ2 European community that would like to tell you of a craptastic SOE+Smedley PR fiasco in the last 18 months.

  User Deleted
6/22/13 11:19:46 PM#20
Originally posted by Telondariel
Originally posted by Redemp

 It was cool to hate SoE a few years ago , there are a few holdouts left. In my experience the SoE haters generally have very little reason for the bashing, besides SWG of course. That's ignoring that SoE makes quality games and life supports others which would have otherwise been shutdown.

/shrug

I think you've been out of the loop, or missed the boat.  There is an EQ2 European community that would like to tell you of a craptastic SOE+Smedley PR fiasco in the last 18 months.

Cliff notes?  I'm not familiar with this scandal.

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