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  SoMuchMass

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6/21/13 12:54:52 PM#141
Originally posted by LacedOpium
 

For those who are familiar, this was basically the same sentiment in TERA when it first released.  The TERA PvP servers were actually the more popular server upon release.  

Tera ignored the PvP community and lost them.  They are trying to regain them now with more BGs and more world PvP including the upcoming alliance patch.  You can't expect the PvP community to hang around without any content or meaningful PVP.  They didn't even have BGs for a year and gave nothing for world PvP.

Rift also learned their lesson the hard way.  Putting in world PvP a little too late.

  Aelious

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6/21/13 12:56:25 PM#142
As to the poll it shows IMO that people would tolerate open PvP if it meant playing EQN. Had the poll included actual preference you'd probably see a different outcome.
  User Deleted
6/21/13 1:03:36 PM#143

if its not full loot then there is no point to open world non consensual pvp

actually this poll and comments are moot. it will have pvp and pve servers

lack of risk and metagaming behind pvp....sigh...so dull

  bcbully

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6/21/13 1:05:57 PM#144
Originally posted by niceguy3978
I guess we all have different definitions of open PvP, but I consider it being able to go out and kill anybody I see.  I'm not really for this, but I am for something more factional like Planetside 2 where I can kill anyone that isn't part of my side.  

This is a sandbox. There will likely be no developer generated factions. Players are given the freedom to ally/faction with who they want.

 

Sandboxes have soft rules, guidelines more or less. There are consequences if those lines are crossed, not something saying "invalid target." 

 

 

  LacedOpium

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6/21/13 1:09:03 PM#145
Originally posted by SoMuchMass
Originally posted by LacedOpium
 

For those who are familiar, this was basically the same sentiment in TERA when it first released.  The TERA PvP servers were actually the more popular server upon release.  

Tera ignored the PvP community and lost them.  They are trying to regain them now with more BGs and more world PvP including the upcoming alliance patch.  You can't expect the PvP community to hang around without any content or meaningful PVP.  They didn't even have BGs for a year and gave nothing for world PvP.

Rift also learned their lesson the hard way.  Putting in world PvP a little too late.

You prove my point!

The truth of the matter is that PvPers are never satisfied.  Look to any game's forums for your proof.  Each and every one of them is a constant whine about one thing or another and the resulting claim that the PvP community is being ignored if the Devs don't move fast enouogh.  When the reality is that their needs are too vast for developers to fulfill in any quantifiable manner.  If it isn't balance (and this is never achieved) it is gear, if it isn't gear it is the variety in battlefields, if it isn't variety in battlefields its the constant nerf this op that, its .... just never ending whining!

Lets face it PvPers ... to deny the obvious is futile.

 

Prettying-up wrong by dressing it up as opinion does not negate the fact that it is still wrong.

  Slukjan

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6/21/13 1:13:21 PM#146
Allowing pvp into EQN is not a good idea at all.  It will make all the classes "balanced" and there for no specializations will be possible.  Class specialization is one thing that made eq awesome.  The minute the devs try to appease the pvp crowd they will lose their game.  I have never played eq for pvp...if they go that route it will leave me mystified and upset.  They can set themselves apart from 90% of the other mmos (and still be true to EQ's roots) by NOT having pvp.  Seriously, most games these days have pvp and its like playing the same game over and over with different skins. I'm sick to death of pvp games and sincerely hope EQ realizes that their loyal fans are mostly pver's and make a game for them. I don't know what SOE is gonna do, but if they include pvp in  this game it will turn out to be just be another terd on the pile.
  SoMuchMass

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Joined: 1/16/13
Posts: 587

6/21/13 1:13:57 PM#147
Originally posted by LacedOpium
Originally posted by SoMuchMass
Originally posted by LacedOpium
 

For those who are familiar, this was basically the same sentiment in TERA when it first released.  The TERA PvP servers were actually the more popular server upon release.  

Tera ignored the PvP community and lost them.  They are trying to regain them now with more BGs and more world PvP including the upcoming alliance patch.  You can't expect the PvP community to hang around without any content or meaningful PVP.  They didn't even have BGs for a year and gave nothing for world PvP.

Rift also learned their lesson the hard way.  Putting in world PvP a little too late.

You prove my point!

The truth of the matter is that PvPers are never satisfied.  Look to any game's forums for your proof.  Each and every one of them is a constant whine about one thing or another and the resulting claim that the PvP community is being ignored if the Devs don't move fast enouogh.  When the reality is that their needs are too vast for developers to fulfill in any quantifiable manner.  If it isn't balance (and this is never achieved) it is gear, if it isn't gear it is the variety in battlefields, if it isn't variety in battlefields its the constant nerf this op that, its .... just never ending whining!

Lets face it PvPers ... to deny the obvious is futile.

 

Actually the MMO community constantly whines.  It isn't just the PvP community.  I hear just as much cries about someones DPS being not good enough.  Or their healing spec not powerful enough in raids.

All you complaints are about MMO players not just PvP players.  Regardless, most MMO players do both PvP and PvE.  The ones that only PvP or only PvE are extremely small.

  Onomas

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Sandbox is your only hope for a decent mmo ;)

6/21/13 1:14:18 PM#148

So if all of you people are being ganked as 99.9% of you claim, who is doing the ganking? Many of you have no idea what gank, ganked, and ganking actually means from many posts I have read here.

I am a hardcore crafter, usualy always got my head in the crafting and selling aspect of many mmorpg's. But as a crafter I need a break and pvp is that break, along with exploration and social aspects. But pvp is a great get away from the norm. And in the 10+ years I have been playing mmorpg's I rarely get ganked. Im observant and pay attention to my surroundings, and often roll with a group.

Its funny how you guys are always ganked and farmed, kinda tells me you are doing something wrong. PVP can be fun if there is meaning, and you can not get meaningful pvp and territory control in a damn instance or arena.

Yes even as a crafter I play heavy pvp games, because its fun. To see if I can survive and out-wit another player and get away. The challenge is fighting against  other humans not the AI. I play mmorpg's for the challenge and to pit my wisdom and skill versus another great player.

 

  KyngBills

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6/21/13 1:18:25 PM#149
Originally posted by Waterlily
of course not, nor will any EQ fans

 

Basically...

  nothuman24

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Joined: 6/21/13
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6/21/13 1:23:05 PM#150
Originally posted by LacedOpium

What is always interesting in these types of threads is how whereas the general feeling amongst PvE players is that of being generally overwhelmingly for separate PvE and PvP servers, PvP players generally argue against separate servers.   So whereas PvE players express a mentality of compromise in that we can have our server and you can have yours, PvP players express one of no you will not have your own server, you will be forced unto our server and fulfill the role of being the involuntary victim of our psychopathic behavior thereby increasing our fun factor.  The fact that it is not fun for you is highly irrelevant. 

Another reason is, of course, that without the constant pool feed of PvE centric players most MMORPGs that have PvP elements eventually flutter and die.  In other words, whereas PvE players can do just fine without PvP players, PvP players know they can not survive without PvE players, and they know it. 

This read is always quite entertaining.

Carry on.

 

 

Oh please, it should be obvious. Not wanting pve servers could not have anything to do with wanting a game that is designed AROUND pvp itself - right? Kinda like most "pvp only server" games are designed....

 

Ya know, in which non-pvp servers would not work because you would have to design a 1/2 different game?

 

Conversly, its fine to pick and choose which servers you disable pvp on, when the games economy; main features; etc are not designed around pvp in the first place.... 

 

Thats the difference between a pvp centered mmo and a pvp casual mmo. Your welcome.

  LacedOpium

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Joined: 11/22/12
Posts: 485

6/21/13 1:30:13 PM#151
Originally posted by SoMuchMass
Originally posted by LacedOpium
Originally posted by SoMuchMass
Originally posted by LacedOpium
 

For those who are familiar, this was basically the same sentiment in TERA when it first released.  The TERA PvP servers were actually the more popular server upon release.  

Tera ignored the PvP community and lost them.  They are trying to regain them now with more BGs and more world PvP including the upcoming alliance patch.  You can't expect the PvP community to hang around without any content or meaningful PVP.  They didn't even have BGs for a year and gave nothing for world PvP.

Rift also learned their lesson the hard way.  Putting in world PvP a little too late.

You prove my point!

The truth of the matter is that PvPers are never satisfied.  Look to any game's forums for your proof.  Each and every one of them is a constant whine about one thing or another and the resulting claim that the PvP community is being ignored if the Devs don't move fast enouogh.  When the reality is that their needs are too vast for developers to fulfill in any quantifiable manner.  If it isn't balance (and this is never achieved) it is gear, if it isn't gear it is the variety in battlefields, if it isn't variety in battlefields its the constant nerf this op that, its .... just never ending whining!

Lets face it PvPers ... to deny the obvious is futile.

 

Actually the MMO community constantly whines.  It isn't just the PvP community.  I hear just as much cries about someones DPS being not good enough.  Or their healing spec not powerful enough in raids.

All you complaints are about MMO players not just PvP players.  Regardless, most MMO players do both PvP and PvE.  The ones that only PvP or only PvE are extremely small.

Yet the reason for the PvE complaints are as a result of changes made to classes in an effort to balance classes and appease the PvP crowd.  There would, otherwise, be no reason for PvEers to complain about class functionality because the basis for PvE play is a cooperative amongst players to combat PvE objectives.  There is no doubt that if the PvP component were eliminated from the picture, many of the issues plaguing MMORPG's would cease to exist.  The futile attempt to incorporate both game styles is what is ailing the MMORPG genre at this time.  And it is one that is driven purely by greed. 

Prettying-up wrong by dressing it up as opinion does not negate the fact that it is still wrong.

  LacedOpium

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Joined: 11/22/12
Posts: 485

6/21/13 1:34:47 PM#152
Originally posted by nothuman24
Originally posted by LacedOpium

What is always interesting in these types of threads is how whereas the general feeling amongst PvE players is that of being generally overwhelmingly for separate PvE and PvP servers, PvP players generally argue against separate servers.   So whereas PvE players express a mentality of compromise in that we can have our server and you can have yours, PvP players express one of no you will not have your own server, you will be forced unto our server and fulfill the role of being the involuntary victim of our psychopathic behavior thereby increasing our fun factor.  The fact that it is not fun for you is highly irrelevant. 

Another reason is, of course, that without the constant pool feed of PvE centric players most MMORPGs that have PvP elements eventually flutter and die.  In other words, whereas PvE players can do just fine without PvP players, PvP players know they can not survive without PvE players, and they know it. 

This read is always quite entertaining.

Carry on.

 

 

Oh please, it should be obvious. Not wanting pve servers could not have anything to do with wanting a game that is designed AROUND pvp itself - right? Kinda like most "pvp only server" games are designed....

 

 

Name ONE "pvp only server" MMORPG game ...

Exactly.

Everything else in your post is irrelevant as a result.

 

 

Prettying-up wrong by dressing it up as opinion does not negate the fact that it is still wrong.

  SoMuchMass

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6/21/13 1:35:44 PM#153
Originally posted by LacedOpium
 

Yet the reason for the PvE complaints are as a result of changes made to classes in an effort to balance classes and appease the PvP crowd.  There would, otherwise, be no reason for PvEers to complain about class functionality because the basis for PvE play is a cooperative amongst players to combat PvE objectives.  There is no doubt that if the PvP component were eliminated from the picture, many of the issues plaguing MMORPG's would cease to exist.  The futile attempt to incorporate both game styles is what is ailing the MMORPG genre at this time.  And it is one that is driven purely by greed. 

That is completely false.  Seems like a lot of PvE players like you just want to blame PvP players for everything, including when PvE players whine about balance.  There are complaints from PvE players over many things, be it leveling taking to long, or bosses being to hard or too easy, or their class not being viable, or they want more solo content or more group content, or they are not engaged enough, the list goes on.  All of this is completely independent from PvP.

A successful MMO cannot exist with only one element.  People want complexity and as time goes on they want more of it.  PvE only MMOs will be niche, PvP only MMOs will be niche.

  Sovrath

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6/21/13 1:41:26 PM#154
Originally posted by Onomas

Yes even as a crafter I play heavy pvp games, because its fun. To see if I can survive and out-wit another player and get away. The challenge is fighting against  other humans not the AI. I play mmorpg's for the challenge and to pit my wisdom and skill versus another great player.

 

 

You seem to be  trying to come off "as a crafter" first  who relaxes with a small bit of  pvp but that doesn't really tell the story. (edited for clarity)

You are a pvp player. Right down to the nuts and bolts. How you choose to express that pvp is mostly through the market and with a little combat.

But you are a pvp player.

There is a difference between a crafter who is "a pvp player" and a crafter who is "a pve player".

As far as your last part, "you play to beat humans, not the ai and for the challenge". I hope you aren't assuming that others care about the challenge or even beating AI combatants.

I suspect that pve players who enjoy pve combat are looking at it from a more "storied" slant over "I need to have challenging difficult AI combat".

Not everyone of course but I would bet a good many to most.

  nothuman24

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6/21/13 1:42:43 PM#155
Originally posted by LacedOpium
Originally posted by nothuman24
Originally posted by LacedOpium

What is always interesting in these types of threads is how whereas the general feeling amongst PvE players is that of being generally overwhelmingly for separate PvE and PvP servers, PvP players generally argue against separate servers.   So whereas PvE players express a mentality of compromise in that we can have our server and you can have yours, PvP players express one of no you will not have your own server, you will be forced unto our server and fulfill the role of being the involuntary victim of our psychopathic behavior thereby increasing our fun factor.  The fact that it is not fun for you is highly irrelevant. 

Another reason is, of course, that without the constant pool feed of PvE centric players most MMORPGs that have PvP elements eventually flutter and die.  In other words, whereas PvE players can do just fine without PvP players, PvP players know they can not survive without PvE players, and they know it. 

This read is always quite entertaining.

Carry on.

 

 

Oh please, it should be obvious. Not wanting pve servers could not have anything to do with wanting a game that is designed AROUND pvp itself - right? Kinda like most "pvp only server" games are designed....

 

 

Name ONE "pvp only server" MMORPG game ...

Exactly.

Everything else in your post is irrelevant as a result.

 

 

Lineage 2, one of, if not the most pvp centered mmos designed. I can name 20 emulated L2 private servers off the top of my head that have thousands++ of players logged on at this very moment - on each server. The large majority of L2 players choose private servers because they prefer earlier versions of the game when it was even more pvp centric than it is now. When accounting private servers, world-wide, L2 is one of the most played mmorpgs out there. - easily. Oh, and its like 10 years old - going strong.

Logic = Irrelevant. Thats a new one for me.

 

 

  KyngBills

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Joined: 6/13/06
Posts: 452

6/21/13 1:47:53 PM#156
Originally posted by Onomas

So if all of you people are being ganked as 99.9% of you claim, who is doing the ganking? Many of you have no idea what gank, ganked, and ganking actually means from many posts I have read here.

I am a hardcore crafter, usualy always got my head in the crafting and selling aspect of many mmorpg's. But as a crafter I need a break and pvp is that break, along with exploration and social aspects. But pvp is a great get away from the norm. And in the 10+ years I have been playing mmorpg's I rarely get ganked. Im observant and pay attention to my surroundings, and often roll with a group.

Its funny how you guys are always ganked and farmed, kinda tells me you are doing something wrong. PVP can be fun if there is meaning, and you can not get meaningful pvp and territory control in a damn instance or arena.

Yes even as a crafter I play heavy pvp games, because its fun. To see if I can survive and out-wit another player and get away. The challenge is fighting against  other humans not the AI. I play mmorpg's for the challenge and to pit my wisdom and skill versus another great player.

 

OK it's fun for you...Good!...And I swear I mean that sincerely...We have a saying in our Guild..."It's your game!" Meaning play it the way you want to play it...Have fun the way YOU like to have fun...And we have plenty of folks who LOVE PvP...

But PvP is not fun for everybody...And the typical "you're not doing it right" is a perfect example of what I'll never understand about some of you who love PvP so much...Why can't you simply understand some people don't like it, don't want to do it, and have no interest in it? It's not about what PvE players can do to change their PvP experience, because if they prefer a PvE ruleset, and they don't want to PvP, it's their game...Why is it I feel like some of you want to cram PvP down the throats of anyone who dare say they just would rather not? I really don't get it...Every game is going to have some PvP...Every game is going to have PvP servers...Why insist on more from folks who don't want any in the the name of what is meaningful and what is not?...If you don't want to PvP it matters not if it's meaningful or completely meaningless...If you don't want to do something, or if some aspect like their definition of getting ganked makes it a deal-breaker for them...So be it...What do you care?

All I'm saying is you can't convert someone who does not want to be converted...Nor should you even want to...To each his own...It's cool that you like PvP, and it's totally cool that you express that...But as soon as you cross over into the "kinda tells me your doing something wrong" area...Well...It's just the same old, same old...I've been MMO-ing for well over a decade now and these arguments never change...It's the exact same thing it's always been...And the simplest solution has always been different rulesets and different servers...Choice...To each his own...

  bcbully

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Joined: 3/03/12
Posts: 7488

6/21/13 1:49:50 PM#157
Originally posted by nothuman24
Originally posted by LacedOpium
Originally posted by nothuman24
Originally posted by LacedOpium

What is always interesting in these types of threads is how whereas the general feeling amongst PvE players is that of being generally overwhelmingly for separate PvE and PvP servers, PvP players generally argue against separate servers.   So whereas PvE players express a mentality of compromise in that we can have our server and you can have yours, PvP players express one of no you will not have your own server, you will be forced unto our server and fulfill the role of being the involuntary victim of our psychopathic behavior thereby increasing our fun factor.  The fact that it is not fun for you is highly irrelevant. 

Another reason is, of course, that without the constant pool feed of PvE centric players most MMORPGs that have PvP elements eventually flutter and die.  In other words, whereas PvE players can do just fine without PvP players, PvP players know they can not survive without PvE players, and they know it. 

This read is always quite entertaining.

Carry on.

 

 

Oh please, it should be obvious. Not wanting pve servers could not have anything to do with wanting a game that is designed AROUND pvp itself - right? Kinda like most "pvp only server" games are designed....

 

 

Name ONE "pvp only server" MMORPG game ...

Exactly.

Everything else in your post is irrelevant as a result.

 

 

 Lineage 2, one of, if not the most pvp centered mmos designed. I can name 20 emulated L2 private servers off the top of my head that have thousands++ of players logged on at this very moment - on each server. The large majority of L2 players choose private servers because they prefer earlier versions of the game when it was even more pvp centric than it is now. When accounting private servers, world-wide, L2 is one of the most played mmorpgs out there. - easily. Oh, and its like 10 years old - going strong.

Logic = Irrelevant. Thats a new one for me.

Wushu - Not full loot

EVE - Full loot

 

that's 3.

  User Deleted
6/21/13 1:49:53 PM#158
Originally posted by LacedOpium

Yet the reason for the PvE complaints are as a result of changes made to classes in an effort to balance classes and appease the PvP crowd.  There would, otherwise, be no reason for PvEers to complain about class functionality because the basis for PvE play is a cooperative amongst players to combat PvE objectives.  There is no doubt that if the PvP component were eliminated from the picture, many of the issues plaguing MMORPG's would cease to exist.  The futile attempt to incorporate both game styles is what is ailing the MMORPG genre at this time.  And it is one that is driven purely by greed. 

Yeah no. PvE isn't the love-fest you are describing. High end content is competitive. Guilds only want the best healers and best DPS. If your class' DPS isn't as good as another class, guess what? You don't have a spot.

If your healer class cant heal through spike damage from a certain boss, guess what? You don't have a spot.

If your tank class takes too much damage compared to another tank, guess what? You don't have a spot.

 

Don't pretend that balancing complaints are just from PvP players. They are from everyone. The only way you would get away from those complaints is if you had 3 classes. Tank, heal and DPS. With no overlapping of roles.

  Purutzil

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6/21/13 1:50:09 PM#159

If there is no factions or other factors in place to limit it? Probably not. 

Free for all pvp games only further emphasize the aspect of griefing . No, I don't roleplay in games but for me I find games where its just having mindless killing being so childish and immature. The sad thing is they don't need to be, players just make it that way. 

 

Have guilds be able to go guild vs guild open war in the world, or factions facing off on each other, or have a in depth crime system in place to punish those and provide incentive against just griefing others, but having just pure open world pvp? No thanks. As fun as it is to 'gank the gankers' so to speak, the grief and annoyance it could bring is far to much to want to give it a chance.

 

In Short: Unless the player base suddenly vastly increases their Maturity and isn't about griefing others without any good reasoning (or systems in place to punish those who do), the likelihood is slim to none.

  User Deleted
6/21/13 1:51:12 PM#160
Originally posted by bcbully
Originally posted by nothuman24
Originally posted by LacedOpium
Originally posted by nothuman24
Originally posted by LacedOpium

What is always interesting in these types of threads is how whereas the general feeling amongst PvE players is that of being generally overwhelmingly for separate PvE and PvP servers, PvP players generally argue against separate servers.   So whereas PvE players express a mentality of compromise in that we can have our server and you can have yours, PvP players express one of no you will not have your own server, you will be forced unto our server and fulfill the role of being the involuntary victim of our psychopathic behavior thereby increasing our fun factor.  The fact that it is not fun for you is highly irrelevant. 

Another reason is, of course, that without the constant pool feed of PvE centric players most MMORPGs that have PvP elements eventually flutter and die.  In other words, whereas PvE players can do just fine without PvP players, PvP players know they can not survive without PvE players, and they know it. 

This read is always quite entertaining.

Carry on.

 

 

Oh please, it should be obvious. Not wanting pve servers could not have anything to do with wanting a game that is designed AROUND pvp itself - right? Kinda like most "pvp only server" games are designed....

 

 

Name ONE "pvp only server" MMORPG game ...

Exactly.

Everything else in your post is irrelevant as a result.

 

 

 Lineage 2, one of, if not the most pvp centered mmos designed. I can name 20 emulated L2 private servers off the top of my head that have thousands++ of players logged on at this very moment - on each server. The large majority of L2 players choose private servers because they prefer earlier versions of the game when it was even more pvp centric than it is now. When accounting private servers, world-wide, L2 is one of the most played mmorpgs out there. - easily. Oh, and its like 10 years old - going strong.

Logic = Irrelevant. Thats a new one for me.

Wushu - Not full loot

EVE - Full loot

 

that's 3.

 

And Darkfall obviously.

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